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Reply #30 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 5:08pm
 
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Reply #32 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 8:29pm
 
Imagine going up against Tyson?
These were either very brave or very stupid opponents.


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Reply #33 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 8:43pm
 

yes, mike tyson early on was frightening.
ALL his opponents were scared of him.

Sugar ray leonard, marvellous marvin haggler, Kostya Tzyu

All in their time, unstoppable
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Reply #34 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:01pm
 
Tyson was a machine at one stage in his career. Lost it at the end.
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Reply #35 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 11:02pm
 
MOTR wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 9:01pm:
Tyson was a machine at one stage in his career. Lost it at the end.



I don't think anyone has ever fought like Tyson.
He was a monster.
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Reply #36 - Apr 14th, 2012 at 11:41pm
 


Would love to see Tyson fight in this era.
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Reply #37 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:01am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 8:29pm:
Imagine going up against Tyson?
These were either very brave or very stupid opponents.




Most of the guys Tyson smashed in this vid were very average boxers...Sterling Benjamin has not won a fight since 1979, that particular fight was in about 1985..Eddie Richardson lost 2 out of 3 fights directly  before Tyson, 1 was by TKO..Michael Johnson lost 3 fight directly before Tyson, 1 TKO and 2 KO's ... them boys were cannon fodder. 

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Reply #38 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:48am
 
Quote:
them boys were cannon fodder


them boys was dumb.
They did it for the money - I think.
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Reply #39 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:49am
 
MOTR wrote on Apr 14th, 2012 at 11:41pm:


Would love to see Tyson fight in this era.


A good slugfest - that's all.   Grin
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Reply #40 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 1:22am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:48am:
them boys was dumb.



Agree..One punch from Tyson could put you in a place where you'll be weaving straw baskets for the remaining years.   Shocked
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Reply #41 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:39am
 
metal_j wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 1:22am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:48am:
them boys was dumb.



Agree..One punch from Tyson could put you in a place where you'll be weaving straw baskets for the remaining years.   Shocked


I think one Mike Tyson punch would kill me.
Those boxers must be made of steel.
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Reply #42 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 6:09pm
 
Ali was a 'Boxer', never a 'Fighter'. He would never take the match to the opponent but rather draw the fight out the entire 12 rounds and then come home in the last number of rounds after tiring out his opponent. Ali showed good 'character' as a Boxer.

Tyson was a 'Fighter', never a 'Boxer'. He would come in to knock you out in the first round. He didn't want to win on points - he was there to knock you out. A much more accurate and technically sound 'Fighter' than the likes of Frazier or Duran. Tyson showed good 'Aura' as a Fighter. Tyson also had to climb a bigger hurdle than Ali due to his small size - something that I put Tyson as equal to Ali in a way and many 'computer' matches between Ali and Tyson have Tyson the only opponent able to knock Ali out cold effectively in the first few rounds where Ali tends to be cocky.

Then you have the other 2 styles: The Puncher and the Stalker.

The Puncher would throw attacking punches like a Fighter but back away like a Boxer. Pacquia is a Puncher and a certain Briggs who went down controversially against Danny Green showed in an earlier match against Adamek what a true Puncher is capable of for the two most Brutal rounds (8-9) as voted by The Ring Magazine.

A Stalker moves forward like a Fighter but throws mostly 'counter-punches' like a Boxer. Kostya Tszuyu was a great example of a Stalker who slowly moved upon his opponent in a defensive fashion and even used the Eastern Bloc jab of holding the glove up in front of the opponents face.

Mundine is the worst example of a Boxer with little character: Always running away and never making a fight of anything ...like the Ginger Bread Man. Very boring stuff that relies upon controversy to gain interest.

Ali & Tyson were like Batman & Robin.
Holmes & Berbick were like the Joker and Riddler.
...I found the story behind these four Pugilists interesting in their interaction with one another.

Ironically the two 'bad' boys in the Ring: Holmes & Berbick enjoyed life out of it, but Ali and Tyson were constantly beaten outside of the Ring. Unlike Ali & Tyson who got on well - Berbick and Holmes came to blows in a carpark as seen on TV.

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Reply #43 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 7:15pm
 
Good post Jas,


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/650596-brock-lesnar-manny-pacquiao-muhammad-a...

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Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson were perhaps the two greatest pound-for-pound fighters in boxing history. It is a shame that their careers never overlapped.

So, with all of that being said, who would have won between Tyson and Ali? It is nearly impossible to predict a winner. I know it is a cop-out, but both fighters were so different in the ring. They could both pack a punch, but Tyson was an animal, while Ali was full of finesse as well. One was more of a fighter, while the other was a boxer.

Ultimately, I'm not going to pick a winner. I would rather hear what all of you have to say. Who would win a fight between Tyson and Ali when both men were in the prime of their career?
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Reply #44 - Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:01pm
 
Jas, your comments are interesting but anyone who thinks Ali could not take a hit; should watch the last fight between him and Frasier.

Smokin' Joe hit him with the best that he had and knocked him down. Ali claimed it was a slip but it was a knockdown. Ali was up by the count of 4.

The commentators, who were real experts on the craft, said any other man wouldn't have made it past the count, because Frasier tagged him with a punch that should have knocked into orbit.

In the 14th round of that classic fight like Jas said, Ali came home hard in the latter rounds.. He hit Smokin' Joe so hard in the face that his mouth guard went flying into the fifth row of seats.

These two men were courage personified..in the most brutal fight I have ever seen.

Th referee made the right decision to stop Smokin' Joe from coming out...he couldn't see and in the other corner Ali wanted to quit too. It was just that Smokin' Joe was ruled out first.

A draw would have been a fair result.
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