In the current conflict in Syria, each side in the conflict has the conviction that THEY ONLY, are the REAL moslems.

n.b.
As one of our OzPol compatriots has said....


the sig line of NorthOfNorth, helian.

The Alawite moslems [i.e. the Syrian government forces] consider the Sunni moslem faction to be infidels.
And the Sunni moslem faction [i.e. the insurgents] consider the Alawite moslems to be infidels.


e.g.
An example here on OzPol of how intolerant moslems ARE, of anyone outside of their own moslem group/faction....

Quote:


Syria Exposed - FOUR CORNERS 2012-02-20
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329795404/3#3


n.b.


Those are the words of a 'rational' moslem and a REAL moslem, here on the OzPol site.

So there you have it.

Alawite moslems, ARE NOT,     ......moslems.

[i.e. In the same sense that a Shia moslem would declare that the Sunni moslems, ARE NOT moslems.]

!!!




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All REAL moslems 'know' that the present conflict in Syria, IS NOT A CONFLICT IN WHICH MOSLEMS ARE KILLING MOSLEMS.

All REAL moslems 'know' this because all REAL moslems 'know', that it is not lawful for a moslem to intentionally kill another moslem.

ISLAMIC law strictly forbids a moslem, from intentionally killing,    ......>> another moslem <<...

"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.92-93






And when falah says,

"Yadda you are a moron. Alawites are not Muslim...."

,    ....falah knows [i.e. falah as a Sunni moslem, has a conviction], that the Alawite moslems [a faction of Shia ISLAM] are infidels.

So when Alawite moslems die in this conflict in Syria [e.g. in car bomb explosions, in Damascus], falah cannot grieve for the dead Alawite moslems.

On such occasions rather, perhaps, people like falah will give out sweets, to their [REAL] moslem friends ?

To celebrate the victory of the ['right kind' of] moslems, over the friends of SATAN [i.e. the 'wrong kind' of moslems].

When Alawite moslems in Syria die, Sunni moslems around the world can only be happy and joyous, that more infidels have gone to Allah's hell.


n.b.

"Yadda you are a moron. Alawites are not Muslim, they are Alawites infidels."

In the current conflict in Syria, both the Alawite moslems, and the Sunni moslems, are each >> certain << [they have a conviction], that their opponents are infidels.


And so, those infidels who resist the authority of the REAL moslems, deserve no mercy, but should be slain [  <---- Allah commands this. And Allah, is never wrong! ]....

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60,61

n.b.

"....they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."

Any treachery, every deceit, and the most horrible violence, may justifiably be brought by moslems, against their enemies, because the REAL moslems know, and the REAL moslems have the conviction, that they are fighting against Allah's enemies, WHO ARE THE FRIENDS OF SATAN.

And SATAN is evil.

And we all hate what is evil, don't we ?

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Dictionary;
infidel = = a person who has no religion or whose religion is not that of the majority.


Each side in this present conflict in Syria, is demonstrating [imo, their insanity, and] the intransigence of the ISLAMIC 'moral' position towards ALL 'infidels'.

But the stance of the REAL moslems, is a 'justified' stance.  [...in their eyes]

Justified by ISLAM, and justified by the 'purity' of ISLAM's doctrines of violence against those who resist Allah's will.

Doctrines which are authorized by Allah's direct commands [in the Koran], demonstrating how infidels should be fought.

Fought with utter ruthlessness, wherever resistance to moslem authority is expressed.

And this ruthlessness towards the enemies of Allah is justified by ISLAM as very 'good works', because the REAL moslems know that they are,
1/  fighting against the 'oppressors' of the people,
2/  who are 'the friends of SATAN'.


Moslems who fight against their enemies, are doing  'good works', as Allah has revealed' that moslems who engage in the Jihad [against his enemies] are fighting against 'the friends of SATAN'....

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

Infidels are oppressors, AND, the friends of SATAN.




All REAL moslems are virtuous people.

In their persecution of non-moslems, moslems are merely obeying Allah's own directives and commands.

You can see, can't you, that moslems, in all of their conflicts with non-moslems, are totally justified, by their god, Allah ?
/sarc off

And it is clear as day, that in this present conflict within Syria, that on both sides of the conflict, it is the moslems who are killing the 'infidels',

Because remember [from above];

"....If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell,...."

Koran 4.92-93



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But, it is an obligation for everyone who calls himself/herself a moslem, to join the Jihad, against Allah's enemies...

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


The Jihad [against Allah's enemies], is an religious obligation, FOR >> EVERY << MOSLEM MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD.

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39

That is Allah, speaking in the third person.    







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And now, something completely different.

A few words from the God of Israel...

Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.

Psalms 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

I'd like to see that.





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And a little addendum, a little something extra...



So who are the REAL moslems ?

The Alawite moslems ???

OR, the Sunni moslems ???



You decide....

Quote:

Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226982951/0#0

Yadda you are an idiot, somewhat retarded it would seem.

The government and military of Syria is run by Alawites, not Muslims.

Alawites are religious group found in mainly in Syria. The Alwite religion (known as Nusairy in Arabic) was invented only a few centuries ago.

The Assad family that rule Syria are Nusairi Alawites, not Muslims.

Yadda, 90% of Muslims are Sunni. That is more than 1 billion people. About 20% of all the people on Earth.

If you were to exclude Iran, close to 99% of the Muslims in the world are Sunni.

Alawites make up less than 0.1% of the world's population.

The Alawis were installed as military leaders by the French inthe 1940's in order to suppress the Muslims.

Yadda wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 2:16pm:


Looks like the Christians should be learning that lesson in Afghanistan.

10,000 Muslim Taliban soldiers with God defeating 100,000+ Christian soldiers with the devil.

You should learn something there Yadda.

Yadda wrote on Apr 9^th, 2012 at 2:37pm:




ISLAM produces only one thing,    .....DEAD BODIES.





"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


e.g.


[i]"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369





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Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The Alawis take their name from ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, cousin and son-in-law of Muḥammad. They are Mohemedans. They believe in one god and they believe Mohammed to be god's prophet. That makes them as Mohammedan as falah or Abu or Osama bin Laden or Mohammed Atta or Gaddafi, the TAliban, the Ayatollahas and all the rest of them.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 9:59am:




The Syrian government are terrorists.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:17am:



What are you talking about?

How are they the same?

Who are the terrorists?

Syrian freedom fighters? Hamas?

Soren wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 9:28pm:



This is because they worship Ali, a human being.

This contradicts the main principle of Islam; nothing has the right to be worshipped except God Almighty.

Alawites are not Muslim.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 11:32am:
Then why is the Israeli government not when they are doing exactly the same thing?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

Nor does Syria
They are fighting terrorists just like Israel.
And just like Israel innocent people die as collateral damage in those fights.

It really puts your support for Israel in doubt if you can’t support another country going through the same dilemma.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 11:06am:



So your argument is that because you have no clue what is actually going on, it is the same as Israel, because you don't know anything about that situation either?

falah wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am:



Should they be stoned to death for apostasy Falah?

Quote:

I do have a clue whats going on and the Syrian government is no different from the Israeli.

Israel is looking out for the interests of Israelis, however much we may disagree with their methods.

Assad is looking out for himself and his cronies.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 3:15pm:



What utter crap.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:


This is your response to the most basic question - who is killing who:

Quote:


Sounds to me like someone who wants to make a silly point without bothering to check any facts.

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

If there are people committing terrorist attacks in Syria the government has a right to fight them.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 3:18pm:

The Syrian uprising has the same roots as the Tunisian and Egyptian (and the failed Bahraini) uprising.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

US brought and backed mercenaries?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 6:39pm:


You are confusing might with right. Just being a government doesn't give you a right to anything.

Most governments will turn on their own people if they feel the stability of the country is threatened.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:



I hate Assad but it is better for rest of us non-arab for him to stay.

Because they are so civilized

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:






Self defence, is not an uncivilised act[ion].

And self defence, is not a violent act [ ....on the part of the person defending them self].

True self defence, even where the attacker loses his life, is a righteous act, before God.




Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.



This ---->, is what ISLAMIC Jihad, against Israel, is doing ---->......

Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.



Matthew 19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17  And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Yadda wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:56pm:





Mark 3:27
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.





And what is the law [of God], regarding those who come as a false witness [i.e. moslem accusers, of the Jewish people], so as to justify themselves doing another harm ?

Deuteronomy 19:16
If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17  Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18  And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19  Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20  And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21  And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

But they are defending themselves against terrorists?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 11:24pm:



Yes.

And they themselves [the Syrian regime], use the very same justification, and they use the very same violence, as the insurgents [i.e. the 'terrorists'] who are attacking them.

The situation is, imo, that: a 'terrorist' regime, is being attacked by another group of terrorists.



PP,

Did you read and understand, what i was saying in my opening post, in this thread ?




Quote:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 11:37pm:

The true agressor is Israel:

Deir Yassin: No passing over history

n April 9, 1948, scores of Palestinian civilians were massacred at the village of Deir Yassin through co-operative efforts of Yishuv forces like the Irgun, Lehi and the Haganah. 

The Zionist narrative on the events of 1948 and the Nakba - the Arabic word for the depopulation of Palestine - talks about the war as a defensive one where there was no intention on behalf of the Israeli forces to shift the demographics by force. Rather, that narrative tells us, the refugees were created during the hostilities which began when five Arab armies invaded Israel the day after it declared its independence on May 15, 1948.

Too often, people who talk about "making peace" advise that we pass over history and look forward without getting lost in the "duelling narratives" of this period. But peace cannot happen without a rectification of past injustices and we cannot approach this without talking about what these injustices are.

The Zionist narrative will counter, defensively, that any injustices are not the fault of Israel and this is where the issue of "duelling narratives" prevents further discussion. 

But there are simple, undeniable facts that any two sane people, Zionist or otherwise, should be able to agree on. For example, I think we can all agree that April 9, 1948, occurred before May 15, 1948. This is not a matter perspective, this is chronology.

When you actually look at the history - even versions documented by Israeli historians using official Israeli archival material - what you learn is that a very significant portion of the total refugees were created long before May 15, 1948. Had it not been for the hundreds and thousands of refugees flowing into Arab states and massacres like Deir Yassin, the Arab armies would likely not have been compelled to intervene.

Clearly, indisputable and historically non-controversial chronological facts blow significant holes in the Zionist narrative about cause and effect. But sequence is not the only problem. The other point of contention Zionists hold is that Israeli actions during the war were defensive and not intended to depopulate.

The goal of the Zionist movement was to establish a Jewish state in the land of Palestine which had a significant non-Jewish majority of Palestinian Arabs. Through years of immigration, the Zionists managed to grow from 11 per cent of Palestine's inhabitants in 1922 to about 30 per cent in 1946.

Refugee creation

The Zionist goal, which was unachievable for decades, came to fruition after 18 months of hostilities when Jews suddenly became 85 per cent of the population of the state of Israel. So, the Zionist narrative will have you believe that the Zionist dream of establishing a state with a Jewish majority, which was unachievable without war then, finally achieved during the fog of one, happened completely by accident.

One does not have to be a supporter of Israel or Palestine to accept this explanation - just astoundingly naïve. 

Sweeping changes in demographics over territory do not happen by accident. In the modern era, they are invariably state-driven initiatives. 

Prior to May 15, 1948, the Israeli state army, or Haganah, was engaged in conquering and razing scores of civilian villages - not military installations. There is really no "defensive" explanation for the demolition of scores of entire civilian villages. The only possible objective behind such actions is to prevent Palestinian Arabs from having homes to live in and thus force them elsewhere.

In March 1948, the United States - which had emerged as a superpower after the Second World War - decided to withdraw its support for the 1947 UN Partition Plan because the vacuum of power created by the impending end of the British Mandate would result "in chaos, heavy fighting and much loss of life in Palestine".

Seeing this, the Zionists knew their shot at achieving a Jewish state through diplomatic means would be delayed at the least, if not abandoned all together. They decided to achieve it by force. That is why the depopulation accelerated at this point.

Within 45 days, before May 15, 1948, nearly 170 towns and villages had been depopulated, accounting for about 380,000 refugees. This period, prior to the entry of Arab armies, saw the highest rate of refugee creation between 1947 and 1949. The effort to change the demography of the landscape by force was in full swing.

We cannot achieve any form of Israeli-Palestinian peace while ignoring this past.

As many marked Easter and Passover this weekend - celebrations of redemption - we should turn our focus today to the anniversary of a massacre and the decisive period of depopulation during which it took place.

Israelis and Palestinians alike cannot move forward without addressing the original sins the state of Israel was built upon.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/201249125656342960.html

falah wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 11:51pm:




Looking at the narrative above;

CULTURALLY, MOSLEMS ARE KNOWN TO BE INVETERATE LIARS.

MOSLEMS WILL LIE, WHENEVER THEY CAN, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE AN OBJECTIVE.


Q.
THEREFORE; WHEN WE KNOW THAT MOSLEMS DEAL SO 'LOOSELY' WITH THE TRUTH, HOW CAN WE TRUST ANY ONE OF THEIR NARRATIVES ?

A.
We cannot.








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya


Google;


Google;





http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

falah wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 11:51pm:


Sounds like Abu's version of the history of the Caliphate, where it took over most of the known world by defending itself.

Quote:


This thread is an example of how much better off we'd be without religion and the fanatics that support it.

Yadda wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 11:47pm:




CORRECTION;
All moslems who are NOT suffering from Cognitive dissonance, know that they are NOT a virtuous people.



Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance


e.g.
This assertion is widely proclaimed by many moslems [and by virtually ALL political leaders in the West]....



The reality, which is exposed by scrutiny....

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

The Shi-ite religion was started by a Jew. It has a lot of similarities with Judaism like praying only three times a day.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 11:31pm:


Only someone as psychotic as you would ask such a question.

falah wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 11:41pm:


only an insane islamic would divert the question he directly alluded to.