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Reply #45 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:46pm
 

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Reply #46 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 8:02pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:19pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:47pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:43pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:18pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:17pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:15pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:13pm:
Israel is looking out for the interests of Israelis, however much we may disagree with their methods.

Assad is looking out for himself and his cronies.

So Assad should let the terrorists continue on killing people and destroying the country?

Assad is looking out for his country just as much as Israel does



What utter crap.
How?
Why is it ok for Israel to fight terrorists but not Syria?


The Syrian uprising has the same roots as the Tunisian and Egyptian (and the failed Bahraini) uprising.

US brought and backed mercenaries?

The US has done as much as it could (without intervening) to prevent the success of the Arab Spring. Having lost the initiative, first in Tunisia and then in Egypt (with the US doing everything it could diplomatically to support Mubarak), it then supported Saudi Arabia's intervention in Bahrain and has little desire for regime change in Syria.



I hate Assad but it is better for rest of us non-arab for him to stay.
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Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems
Reply #47 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:17pm
 
PP asks.....



bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 9:59am:

So why is it you support Israel government?


Their situation is no different from the one the Syrian government is in.

Syria is fighting terrorists






While Annie responds......

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:11am:

The Syrian government are terrorists.







Why support Israel, and the Jewish people ?

My response, to both PP and Annie, is expressed in the content of this image....


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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/fighting-for-free-speech-in-a-manhattan-courtr...


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Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems
Reply #48 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:35pm
 
Because they are so civilized
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Reply #49 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:04pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 6:30pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 12:20pm:
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So your argument is that because you have no clue what is actually going on, it is the same as Israel, because you don't know anything about that situation either?

I do have a clue whats going on and the Syrian government is no different from the Israeli.



This is your response to the most basic question - who is killing who:

Quote:
Probably a mixture, but who knows.


Sounds to me like someone who wants to make a silly point without bothering to check any facts.



If there are people committing terrorist attacks in Syria the government has a right to fight them.




You are confusing might with right. Just being a government doesn't give you a right to anything.






On a morality level, that sentiment is correct.




But in real world 'politick', the power paradigm which has always prevailed in man's political world is this....

"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian


That is 'the law of the universe' which most of mankind have chosen to embrace, in his dealings with his fellow man, imo.

The 'law' that might is right.


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Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems
Reply #50 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:56pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

Because they [Israel] are so civilized




Yes.



Self defence, is not an uncivilised act[ion].

And self defence, is not a violent act [ ....on the part of the person defending them self].

True self defence, even where the attacker loses his life, is a righteous act, before God.




Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.



This ---->, is what ISLAMIC Jihad, against Israel, is doing ---->......

Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.



Matthew 19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.





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Reply #51 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:59pm
 
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Self defence, is not uncivilised action.

So then you support the Syrian government?
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Reply #52 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:08pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:56pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

Because they [Israel] are so civilized




Yes.



Self defence, is not an uncivilised act[ion].

And self defence, is not a violent act [ ....on the part of the person defending them self].

True self defence, even where the attacker loses his life, is a righteous act, before God.






Mark 3:27
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.





And what is the law [of God], regarding those who come as a false witness [i.e. moslem accusers, of the Jewish people], so as to justify themselves doing another harm ?

Deuteronomy 19:16
If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.


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Re: SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems
Reply #53 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:20pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:59pm:
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Self defence, is not uncivilised action.


So then you support the Syrian government?




No.




The Syrian regime are moslems.

I do not align myself with people who justify murdering others, to attain political power.

And that is >> EXACTLY << what ISLAM teaches, to all moslems,
.....TO BOTH SUNNI MOSLEMS, AND, TO SHIA MUSLIMS.

That is what ISLAM justifies.



My position, my attitude to moslems, and ISLAM.....

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to lie to, to plunder and to rob, to rape, to enslave, and to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.


If as some would claim, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

n.b.
According to ISLAM itself, a good 'moslem', is defined as a person who chooses to embrace the tenets and laws of ISLAM.



ISLAM is a political tyranny.

And ISLAM teaches moslems to embrace political tyranny, and encourages moslems to justify and accept violence against, and the oppression of, those who are not moslems.






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Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.


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Reply #54 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:24pm
 
But they are defending themselves against terrorists?
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Reply #55 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:26pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 9:59am:
So why is it you support Israel government?
Their situation is no different from the one the Syrian government is in.

Syria is fighting terrorists


It is completely different in every way.
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Reply #56 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:34pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:24pm:

But they are defending themselves against terrorists?




Yes.

And they themselves [the Syrian regime], use the very same justification, and they use the very same violence, as the insurgents [i.e. the 'terrorists'] who are attacking them.

The situation is, imo, that: a 'terrorist' regime, is being attacked by another group of terrorists.



PP,

Did you read and understand, what i was saying in my opening post, in this thread ?




Quote:

SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems...
...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against infidels.



In the current conflict in Syria, each side in the conflict has the conviction that THEY ONLY, are the REAL moslems.

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As one of our OzPol compatriots has said....

"Conviction is the art of being certain"

the sig line of NorthOfNorth, helian.

The Alawite moslems [i.e. the Syrian government forces] consider the Sunni moslem faction to be infidels.
And the Sunni moslem faction [i.e. the insurgents] consider the Alawite moslems to be infidels.

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Reply #57 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:37pm
 
Yadda -- we Israelis continue to battle as the little country which is surround all sides by aggressors who has started 3 wars with us in last half century.

We has aggressive country like Syria of to be mind,

We needs support from our ally like USA, like Australia and like UK,

We are little brave country but we fight on
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Reply #58 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:51pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:37pm:
Yadda -- we Israelis continue to battle as the little country which is surround all sides by aggressors who has started 3 wars with us in last half century.



The true agressor is Israel:

Deir Yassin: No passing over history


n April 9, 1948, scores of Palestinian civilians were massacred at the village of Deir Yassin through co-operative efforts of Yishuv forces like the Irgun, Lehi and the Haganah. 

The Zionist narrative on the events of 1948 and the Nakba - the Arabic word for the depopulation of Palestine - talks about the war as a defensive one where there was no intention on behalf of the Israeli forces to shift the demographics by force. Rather, that narrative tells us, the refugees were created during the hostilities which began when five Arab armies invaded Israel the day after it declared its independence on May 15, 1948.

Too often, people who talk about "making peace" advise that we pass over history and look forward without getting lost in the "duelling narratives" of this period. But peace cannot happen without a rectification of past injustices and we cannot approach this without talking about what these injustices are.

The Zionist narrative will counter, defensively, that any injustices are not the fault of Israel and this is where the issue of "duelling narratives" prevents further discussion. 

But there are simple, undeniable facts that any two sane people, Zionist or otherwise, should be able to agree on. For example, I think we can all agree that April 9, 1948, occurred before May 15, 1948. This is not a matter perspective, this is chronology.

When you actually look at the history - even versions documented by Israeli historians using official Israeli archival material - what you learn is that a very significant portion of the total refugees were created long before May 15, 1948. Had it not been for the hundreds and thousands of refugees flowing into Arab states and massacres like Deir Yassin, the Arab armies would likely not have been compelled to intervene.

Clearly, indisputable and historically non-controversial chronological facts blow significant holes in the Zionist narrative about cause and effect. But sequence is not the only problem. The other point of contention Zionists hold is that Israeli actions during the war were defensive and not intended to depopulate.

The goal of the Zionist movement was to establish a Jewish state in the land of Palestine which had a significant non-Jewish majority of Palestinian Arabs. Through years of immigration, the Zionists managed to grow from 11 per cent of Palestine's inhabitants in 1922 to about 30 per cent in 1946.

Refugee creation

The Zionist goal, which was unachievable for decades, came to fruition after 18 months of hostilities when Jews suddenly became 85 per cent of the population of the state of Israel. So, the Zionist narrative will have you believe that the Zionist dream of establishing a state with a Jewish majority, which was unachievable without war then, finally achieved during the fog of one, happened completely by accident.

One does not have to be a supporter of Israel or Palestine to accept this explanation - just astoundingly nave. 

Sweeping changes in demographics over territory do not happen by accident. In the modern era, they are invariably state-driven initiatives. 

Prior to May 15, 1948, the Israeli state army, or Haganah, was engaged in conquering and razing scores of civilian villages - not military installations. There is really no "defensive" explanation for the demolition of scores of entire civilian villages. The only possible objective behind such actions is to prevent Palestinian Arabs from having homes to live in and thus force them elsewhere.

In March 1948, the United States - which had emerged as a superpower after the Second World War - decided to withdraw its support for the 1947 UN Partition Plan because the vacuum of power created by the impending end of the British Mandate would result "in chaos, heavy fighting and much loss of life in Palestine".

Seeing this, the Zionists knew their shot at achieving a Jewish state through diplomatic means would be delayed at the least, if not abandoned all together. They decided to achieve it by force. That is why the depopulation accelerated at this point.

Within 45 days, before May 15, 1948, nearly 170 towns and villages had been depopulated, accounting for about 380,000 refugees. This period, prior to the entry of Arab armies, saw the highest rate of refugee creation between 1947 and 1949. The effort to change the demography of the landscape by force was in full swing.

We cannot achieve any form of Israeli-Palestinian peace while ignoring this past.

As many marked Easter and Passover this weekend - celebrations of redemption - we should turn our focus today to the anniversary of a massacre and the decisive period of depopulation during which it took place.

Israelis and Palestinians alike cannot move forward without addressing the original sins the state of Israel was built upon.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/201249125656342960.html
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Reply #59 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:52pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 11:37pm:

Yadda -- we Israelis continue to battle as the little country which is surround all sides by aggressors who has started 3 wars with us in last half century.

We has aggressive country like Syria of to be mind,

We needs support from our ally like USA, like Australia and like UK,

We are little brave country but we fight on





Avram,

I agree with you.

In a fair world, countries like the USA, Australia and UK should support Israel.

But sadly, we do not live in a fair world.




Avram,

In the Jewish Old Testament, the God of Israel says that all nations will be against Israel [...in these latter times].

Why so ?

The God of Israel wants the Jewish people to return to him, and to understand that only he can defeat Israel's worldly enemies.


Google;
all nations will turn against israel







Avram,

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


Love God's righteousness Avram, with all of your heart, and your God will guide you, and Israel.


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