polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 24
th, 2014 at 7:26am:
Yadda wrote on Jan 24
th, 2014 at 1:13am:
Well, if God commanded the ancient Israelites to 'smite them, and utterly destroy them' [those seven nations], isn't it presumptuous of a person who believes in God's inerrancy, and God's justness, to condemn God's judgement against those seven nations ?
You misunderstand my point.
Anyway, if God really wanted to wipe those 7 tribes from the face of the earth, he could have done it properly in a flood or earthquake (as He had done before). Instead he asks the Israelites to do it for Him - which as it turned out they failed, because subsequent OT chapters warn against intermarrying with the remnants of those tribes.
I suppose it was considered a test of faith or character or something to challenge the Israelites to hack babies to death, but Y even you can agree they failed this test. The tribes remained, and we know from reference in the OT that the tribes continued to spread corruption amongst the Israelites after the (attempted) genocide.
Thus one is left to ponder, what was it all for? The intended purpose of the attempted genocide was to rid the land of the corrupting influence of the God-less people. Yet we know they failed. Is it because some of the Israelites became a big squeamish at the thought of hacking babies to death? Would God blame them for that?
And I just can't help thinking - if the purpose was to get rid of the evil ways of the corrupt men of those tribes, isn't it both more practical, not to mention more ethical to just pick out the guilty men and women - put them to death if necessary, then adopt the uncorrupted children
and bring them up as proper God-fearing people
?
gandalf,
Wasn't that the proper task, of their own parents ???
gandalf said....
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In short, I think the author who stated "leave none who breath" got it wrong.
Luke 19:26
For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
gandalf,
It is your will, to think that.
And it is
your will, to be in rebellion [against God's will].
Genesis 16:12
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Psalms 106:1
Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Yes, the mercy of my God, 'endureth for ever'.
gandalf,
I believe that the vast majority of the Jewish people will be redeemed by my God.
But, not a single moslem will be redeemed by my God.
And that knowledge
pleases satisfies me gandalf.
It is the purpose of my God,
to separate that which is precious, from that which is vile, within his creation.
And because i hate what i see every day in this world, ...
it satisfies me to know, that my God will choose to separate that which is precious [in his eyes], from that which is vile [in his eyes].
Psalms 146:1
Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
The real martyrs of God....Revelation 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Dictionary;
martyr = = a person who is killed because of their religious beliefs.But, not a single moslem will be redeemed by my God.Hallelujah!
Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Revelation 19:1
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.And the fate of every single moslem, is to abide in Allah's 'paradise'.
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