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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury Reply #15 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:00pm AHHH So ratonality is what that is. I thought it was a "true believer" reciting their dogma. Cmon muso, you usually pick poo to bits - and theres plenty to pick at there.
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Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury
Reply #16 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:01pm

Swine flu vaccine 'linked to' sleeping disorder
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9171414/Swine-flu-vaccine-linked-to...

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Mercury in flu vaccine is linked to autism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-153722/Mercury-flu-vaccine-linked-auti...

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60 Lab Studies Now Confirm Cancer Link to a Vaccine You Probably Had as a Child
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-do...

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Human DNA from Aborted Embryonic Cells in Vaccines Linked to Autism
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/18/leading-vaccine-do...

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Vaccines cause autism: Supporting evidence
http://www.naturalnews.com/027178_vaccines_autism_NaturalPedia.html

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Gardasil HPV vaccines found contaminated with recombinant DNA that persists in human blood
http://www.naturalnews.com/033585_Gardasil_contamination.html

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Vaccines: know the risks
http://www.healingdaily.com/conditions/vaccination.htm

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There is more than enough reason for people to be concerned.
Not enough long term testing.
And an industry that is highly corrupted and has its interests in keeping the population sick, if vaccines actually worked they would lose most of their income.

Most vaccines cause more harm then they help prevent and the cost for many is great.

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Reply #17 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:24pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Swine flu vaccine 'linked to' sleeping disorder

Mercury in flu vaccine is linked to autism

60 Lab Studies Now Confirm Cancer Link to a Vaccine You Probably Had as a Child

Human DNA from Aborted Embryonic Cells in Vaccines Linked to Autism

Vaccines cause autism: Supporting evidence

Gardasil HPV vaccines found contaminated with recombinant DNA that persists in human blood

Vaccines: know the risks
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There is more than enough reason for people to be concerned.
Not enough long term testing.
And an industry that is highly corrupted and has its interests in keeping the population sick, if vaccines actually worked they would lose most of their income.

Most vaccines cause more harm then they help prevent and the cost for many is great.

Let's see....

One link from a newspaper that talks about flu vaccines for adults containing thiomersal, which "has been linked to Autism". Well, for a start thiomersal has never been linked to Autism, and secondly, these are vaccines for adults. Have you ever met an adult that has spontaneously become autistic?

One link to a Finnish study about a vaccine not available in Australia anyway, which doesn't show a link between a vaccine and a sleeping disorder, but shows an increase in that disorder. Correlation does not equal causation.

EDIT: Interestingly, I just found a story that says that it was the swine flu itself, rather than the vaccine for it, that has been blamed for the increase in narcolepsy. Surprise surprise. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/8712366/Swine-flu-infections-trigger... and here's the link to the actual research: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.22587/abstract;jsessionid=3EB528B...

And five links to nutty Natural News, Mercola etc sites, where only Whale.to provides less accurate information. How about providing some links to published, peer-reviewed scientific research from pubmed? You might be taken more seriously.

If you honestly believe that vaccines cause more harm than good, then you need to get out more. Maybe a visit to PKIDs will change your mind, but I doubt it. http://www.pkids.org/

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury Reply #18 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:40pm Too bad for the people whos lives were permanently destroyed I guess. Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and untill that is given they should never have been released commercially.
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Reply #19 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 1:00pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:40pm:

Too bad for the people whos lives were permanently destroyed I guess.

Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and untill that is given they should never have been released commercially.

Nothing in life is without risk, vaccines included. Nothing is, or ever can be, 100% safe. Yes, there will be people who are harmed by vaccines, just as there are people harmed by seatbelts in cars.

But that is not an argument against them. The risks are hugely outweighed by the benefits. For every child harmed by a vaccine, millions are saved by them. Look at the results of the Australian Measles Control Campaign for a recent and local example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Measles_Control_Campaign

How long a research term would you like? The vaccines for many diseases have been in use for decades. New ones go though several stages of massive animal and human clinical trials before they are released.

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Reply #20 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 1:02pm

NBNMyths wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 1:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:40pm:

Too bad for the people whos lives were permanently destroyed I guess.

Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and untill that is given they should never have been released commercially.

Nothing in life is without risk, vaccines included. Nothing is, or ever can be, 100% safe. Yes, there will be people who are harmed by vaccines, just as there are people harmed by seatbelts in cars.

But that is not an argument against them. The risks are hugely outweighed by the benefits. For every child harmed by a vaccine, millions are saved by them. Look at the results of the Australian Measles Control Campaign for a recent and local example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Measles_Control_Campaign

How long a research term would you like? The vaccines for many diseases have been in use for decades. New ones go though several stages of massive animal and human clinical trials before they are released.

Research should be generational

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Reply #21 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 3:22pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:56am:

muso wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:53am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:48am:

muso wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 10:44am:

If you don't like it, never use Mercurochrome and don't burn natural gas either. Have you checked your soap for mercury content? If the caustic soda was produced by a mercury diaphram process then your soap may actually contain mercury.

Again, it's all a question of the dose. There is a safe dose, especially when it comes to a single shot vaccine.

It was Paracelsus who said:

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Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy.

All preservatives are by nature hazardous in some way.

By the way (Jasignature may know) but I'm pretty sure that they stopped using thiomersal (sp?) in Australia years ago. Don't stop vaccinating your kids. The consequences of that are far worse.

Please tell that to the people who have had their lives ruined by vaccinations.

You think that's worse than the risk of Polio?

Well yes in the sense that people are profiting off vaccinations.

Lol, but you said “focus on a very small part of the big picture”.

One’s not practicing what one preaches.
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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury Reply #22 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 3:46pm the vaccines - autism connection was always hogwash. the 'study' from which it originated has been debunked a billion times now.
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Reply #23 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 4:26pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:40pm:

Too bad for the people whose lives were permanently destroyed I guess.

Reality is that there is not enough long term research, and until that is given they should never have been released commercially.

Would you care to name some of those people, or the symptoms/problems that result from it??

(btw, I corrected your spelling)

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blackadder Gold Member Offline Posts: 1977	Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury Reply #24 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 7:30pm Have any of you morons advocating not having your children vaccinated ever seen a baby with whooping cough? And Annie your Doctor is a bloody idiot and probably a muslim to boot.
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury Reply #25 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 7:43pm just look who did this study and graphs.. i dont trust either of these entities.. however freewill namaste
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Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury
Reply #26 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 7:45pm

further

imagine a product you had that you could sell

through government programs ( yes your government

buys the vaccine like the swine flu we spent

billions on yes 23+ million doses,thats just 1 eg )

to every man woman and child whether they are sick

or not,thats big $$$

this corporation funds both political parties

and the agenda gets placed and indoctrinated

through schools of learning..

this was a total eugenics operation,

its over,release the hounds

namaste

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Reply #27 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 8:01pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 7:45pm:

further

imagine a product you had that you could sell

through government programs ( yes your government

buys the vaccine like the swine flu we spent

billions on yes 23+ million doses,thats just 1 eg )

to every man woman and child whether they are sick

or not,thats big $$$

this corporation funds both political parties

and the agenda gets placed and indoctrinated

through schools of learning..

this was a total eugenics operation,

its over,release the hounds

namaste

Still being the idiot warfie.

What happened to your sorties down the pub when you would take two women back to your flea ridden hovel for a night of displeasure for them?

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Re: FDA: Vaccines still contain Mercury
Reply #28 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 11:26pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 7:45pm:

further

imagine a product you had that you could sell

through government programs ( yes your government

buys the vaccine like the swine flu we spent

billions on yes 23+ million doses,thats just 1 eg )

to every man woman and child whether they are sick

or not,thats big $$$

this corporation funds both political parties

and the agenda gets placed and indoctrinated

through schools of learning..

this was a total eugenics operation,

its over,release the hounds

namaste

That
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bizarre
post.

/stupidity.

Unfortunately, it's rubbish.

The cost of the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine program was $100m. Not exactly "billions", is it? But then why let the facts get in the way of an obtuse rant?

As for profits, donations etc from vaccines and pharmaceutical companies. Maybe a little perspective is in order:

I have no big love or hate of pharma companies. Like any corporation, they are amoral.

A quick search through the AEC donations database showed no donations to any Australian party by the four biggest vaccine manufacturers, being Merck, GSK, Sanofi and CSL. I didn't look beyond them, but feel free to check for yourself. http://periodicdisclosures.aec.gov.au/

Vaccines are not particularly profitable for pharma companies. Merck, the world's largest producer of vaccines, makes more profit selling a single drug (eg a cholesterol medication) than they do for their entire vaccine range. And it's not hard to see why. Most vaccines are a few doses per person over their entire lifetime. But get someone on your cholesterol medication, and you could sell them a tablet every day for the rest of their lives. I'm sure you don't have to be a brain surgeon to work out what makes more money.

The stats for those graphs come from the compulsory reportable diseases database, reported by doctors and hospitals across the country. However, in the case of measles, again you don't have to be too bright to see the difference since the vaccine was introduced.

When I was at school in the 70s, almost every kid got measles. Now, no-one does. I haven't seen anyone with measles for well over a decade. How about you?

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Reply #29 - Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 11:29pm

Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )

[Video] Bayer Sells AIDS-Infected Drug Banned in U.S. in Europe, Asia - Unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine -- Factor VIII concentrate, intended for hemophiliacs -- to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew that it was tainted with AIDS. Bayer knew about the fact that the drug was tainted and told the FDA to keep things under wraps while they made a profit off of a drug that infected its patients. If these allegations are true, then both Bayer and the FDA are at fault for this catastrophe. FDA regulators helped to keep the continued sales hidden, asking the company that the problem be ''quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public,'' according to the minutes of a 1985 meeting.

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