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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92409 Gender:	Re: slavery in Islam Reply #120 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 12:38pm freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2020 at 12:33pm: Are you satisfied that I have given you a link to "Whitey ending slavery in Arabia"? No, dear, we most certainly are not satisfied. Why don't you just tell us?
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 46617 Gender:	Re: slavery in Islam Reply #121 - Jan 25^th, 2020 at 12:47pm Brownies across the desert learned Slavery from the Blacks down in West Africa. The Bantu created Slavery, as surely as the Indian created Racism. Now the Bantu's of Niger, Nigeria, etc are now building a giant Barrier of Trees to keep the Sand from their Vaginas.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: slavery in Islam Reply #122 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 2:06pm Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic.
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Reply #123 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 8:22am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

How is opposing the legalisation of slavery 'illogical'? Doesn't the fact I know so little about it imply I am not fixated?

Cut the crap fd, you've been harping on about this since 2008.

Exhibit A: Freediver making this same thread 4 years ago

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

Isn't it a bit of an oxymoron to talk about the human rights of slaves?

Is it an oxymoron to talk about human rights of life prisoners in Western gaols?

strange response to a question about slaves?

Does abu claim that under Islamic law, slaves are considered to be criminals?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: slavery in Islam Reply #124 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 2:04pm FD's annoying habit of shifting replies between multiple threads will not be tolerated. Last post moved back to where it belongs.
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Reply #125 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 2:30pm

PZ547 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2020 at 8:22am:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

How is opposing the legalisation of slavery 'illogical'? Doesn't the fact I know so little about it imply I am not fixated?

Cut the crap fd, you've been harping on about this since 2008.

Exhibit A: Freediver making this same thread 4 years ago

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

Isn't it a bit of an oxymoron to talk about the human rights of slaves?

Is it an oxymoron to talk about human rights of life prisoners in Western gaols?

strange response to a question about slaves?

Does abu claim that under Islamic law, slaves are considered to be criminals?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 40675 Gender:	Re: slavery in Islam Reply #126 - Jan 29^th, 2020 at 5:49pm Muslims are practicing slavery in Western countries they have been taken in by:
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Reply #127 - Jan 30^th, 2020 at 1:00pm

Great to see an old Abu-busting thread from 2008, when FD "changed his mind".

Abu told FD he was sick of his questions and to read his "popular misconceptions on Islam" thread. Strangely though, it's disappeared. "Unable to access".

How diabolically cunning of Abu to pull that trick. How Muslim of him.

There's FD, asking sincere questions, and there's Abu, having the nerve to tell him to check a thread that doesn't exist anymore.

So we'll need you to answer FD's questions, G. FD hasn't heard anything back in the last 12 years. He's still curious.

Could you please tell FD how Whitey liberated the Muslims from slavery?

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Reply #128 - Jan 30^th, 2020 at 2:43pm

Come on Karnal. We can rely on you for transparency

"Does abu claim that under Islamic law, slaves are considered to be criminals?"

Abu likened slaves of Islam to prisoners in Western prisons

which naturally leads to the question:

Does Abu claim that under Islamic law, slaves are considered to be criminals?

So what's your take, Karnal?

and ---

are slaves of Islam 'criminals' prior to being enslaved?

or

does being a slave of Islam automatically confer the description upon them of 'criminals'?

give us some clarification please

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Reply #129 - Jan 30^th, 2020 at 6:28pm

PZ547 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2020 at 2:43pm:

Come on Karnal. We can rely on you for transparency

"Does abu claim that under Islamic law, slaves are considered to be criminals?"

Abu likened slaves of Islam to prisoners in Western prisons

which naturally leads to the question:

Does Abu claim that under Islamic law, slaves are considered to be criminals?

So what's your take, Karnal?

and ---

are slaves of Islam 'criminals' prior to being enslaved?

or

does being a slave of Islam automatically confer the description upon them of 'criminals'?

give us some clarification please

Good question, Alphabet, but we must ask a Muslim for the answer.

G, do you agree with Abu that all Muslims support the enslavement of Whitey?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Reply #130 - Jan 31^st, 2020 at 3:57pm

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for allah alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides allah), then certainly, allah is all-seer of what they do.

Nobody is allowed to think for themselves, islam is enforced by pain of death.

Sounds like slavery to me

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Reply #131 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 9:11am

Gandalf do you agree with this statement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

The continuing pressure from European countries eventually overcame the strong resistance of religious conservatives who were holding that forbidding what God permits is just as great an offence as to permit what God forbids.

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Reply #132 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06am

FD, do you agree with this statement?

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There were also many pious Muslims who refused to have slaves and persuaded others to do so.[82] Eventually, the Ottoman Empire's orders against the traffic of slaves were issued and put into effect.[78]

According to Brockopp, in the 19th century, "Some authorities made blanket pronouncements against slavery, arguing that it violated the Qurʾānic ideals of equality and freedom. The great slave markets of Cairo were closed down at the end of the nineteenth century and even conservative Qurʾān interpreters continue to regard slavery as opposed to Islamic principles of justice and equality."[23]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

You may have missed it. It comes just after your quote, dear.

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Reply #133 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 6:43pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06am:

FD, do you agree with this statement?

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There were also many pious Muslims who refused to have slaves and persuaded others to do so.[82] Eventually, the Ottoman Empire's orders against the traffic of slaves were issued and put into effect.[78]

According to Brockopp, in the 19th century, "Some authorities made blanket pronouncements against slavery, arguing that it violated the Qurʾānic ideals of equality and freedom. The great slave markets of Cairo were closed down at the end of the nineteenth century and even conservative Qurʾān interpreters continue to regard slavery as opposed to Islamic principles of justice and equality."[23]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

You may have missed it. It comes just after your quote, dear.

Islam is a religion and a political doctrine of world conquest.

The Ottoman Empire (an awful lot of padded footrests there, btw) embodied it at its height in the late middle ages but not in its dying days in the 18-20th centuries ( a long decline).

Iran today is a good approximation of what Islam is about. As is Saudi, Brunei, Pakilandistan, Auburn, Islamic State and the like. That secular political powers rule in Muslim countries is a sore point for Islamists.

Islam is fundamentally and unalterably hierarchical about the worth of human beings. Are you with us, sons of Mohammed, or are you with the enemy, the kuffar. The Bush doctrine was pinched from Islam.

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Reply #134 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:23pm

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 6:43pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 11:06am:

FD, do you agree with this statement?

Quote:

There were also many pious Muslims who refused to have slaves and persuaded others to do so.[82] Eventually, the Ottoman Empire's orders against the traffic of slaves were issued and put into effect.[78]

According to Brockopp, in the 19th century, "Some authorities made blanket pronouncements against slavery, arguing that it violated the Qurʾānic ideals of equality and freedom. The great slave markets of Cairo were closed down at the end of the nineteenth century and even conservative Qurʾān interpreters continue to regard slavery as opposed to Islamic principles of justice and equality."[23]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

You may have missed it. It comes just after your quote, dear.

Islam is a religion and a political doctrine of world conquest.

The Ottoman Empire (an awful lot of padded footrests there, btw) embodied it at its height in the late middle ages but not in its dying days in the 18-20th centuries ( a long decline).

Iran today is a good approximation of what Islam is about. As is Saudi, Brunei, Pakilandistan, Auburn, Islamic State and the like. That secular political powers rule in Muslim countries is a sore point for Islamists.

Islam is fundamentally and unalterably hierarchical about the worth of human beings. Are you with us, sons of Mohammed, or are you with the enemy, the kuffar. The Bush doctrine was pinched from Islam.

Please don't try to change the topic, old boy. FD wants us to stick to the facts in his Wikipedia article.

This is a most serious subject. FD's been saying this for 12 years now. We're finally unpacking the evidence.

FD?

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