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Reply #15 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 2:05pm
 
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Even if we do remove Kony which will be a military effort costing the lives of thousands of Ugandan people, there will be someone else taking his said place within two seconds.
Plus you have to pick your sides, and getting the US army to solve a problem does not seem like a smart idea does it.
Every war they go in for humanitarian issues, they end up creating much worse a problem and installing dictators or militia forces which would be 100x worse then Kony.


Your judgement of the US military is correct. I don't think IC are advocating that approach at all. If the US wanted to do a regime change and resource grab they wouldn't need IC to make their minds up for them. Anyway we'll see how this pans out. At this stage I'm all for ordinary people using social media to by pass government and get on with it.
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Reply #16 - Mar 15th, 2012 at 12:22am
 
'Remove Kony'? He isn't even in Uganda. Word is he only has a few hundred followers left anymore. The last thing America needs is another humanitarian intervention spurred on by Facebook likes (by people who will never have to endure the physical brunt of such a military expedition), regardless of how small.
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Reply #17 - Mar 15th, 2012 at 12:32am
 
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'Remove Kony'? He isn't even in Uganda


So what? He still operates as he has for 25 years. Hacking kids lips off for disobedience, raping and murdering villagers getting children to gun down their parents. He gets away with it because the problem is too small for big players. Why shouldn't the NGO that works in the region and knows the harm caused by this group take it on themselves to do something? You have a problem with an aid agency NOT being pacifist at all cost?
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Reply #18 - Mar 15th, 2012 at 8:13am
 
Grey wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 12:32am:
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'Remove Kony'? He isn't even in Uganda


So what? He still operates as he has for 25 years. Hacking kids lips off for disobedience, raping and murdering villagers getting children to gun down their parents. He gets away with it because the problem is too small for big players. Why shouldn't the NGO that works in the region and knows the harm caused by this group take it on themselves to do something? You have a problem with an aid agency NOT being pacifist at all cost?
It is questionable as to whether he is still even operating.

Mate, I know these people should be stopped; I feel your pain when you learn of stuff like this happening. But this cause is just not worth it, it’s simply not going to do anything constructive.

If ngo's in the area really cared they would be stopping the Ugandan government before Kony, who have been shown to be 100x worse.

This whole thing is dodgy, stand back wait for emotions to die down and try and seriously evaluate this.
We have seen it before, the results have always been the same; the catalyst has not.
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Reply #19 - Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:37pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 8:13am:
Grey wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 12:32am:
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'Remove Kony'? He isn't even in Uganda


So what? He still operates as he has for 25 years. Hacking kids lips off for disobedience, raping and murdering villagers getting children to gun down their parents. He gets away with it because the problem is too small for big players. Why shouldn't the NGO that works in the region and knows the harm caused by this group take it on themselves to do something? You have a problem with an aid agency NOT being pacifist at all cost?
It is questionable as to whether he is still even operating.

Mate, I know these people should be stopped; I feel your pain when you learn of stuff like this happening. But this cause is just not worth it, it’s simply not going to do anything constructive.

If ngo's in the area really cared they would be stopping the Ugandan government before Kony, who have been shown to be 100x worse.

This whole thing is dodgy, stand back wait for emotions to die down and try and seriously evaluate this.
We have seen it before, the results have always been the same; the catalyst has not.


Huh? No, it's not questionable as to him still operating. And the LRA has crossed my radar repeatedly over the years. For years I wonder why he is allowed to get away with it. Of course I'm going to support anybody who wants more people to ask the same question.

Africa is poor and people are starving precisely because of this small scale terrorism. In the past such groups were funded by South Africa to create a buffer of instability. They are funded by multinationals to cover the plunder of diamonds and rare minerals.


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Africa is largely a fertile region with plenty of water. The people have farming skills and with technological help, (wells and cheap poly irrigation) they can easily feed themselves. Africa's problems stem from conflict. Conflict that itself stems from the irrational carve up by colonialism that paid no heed to tribal boundaries and conflict created by foreign interests.

Some countries like Botswana have got their shyt together, but still have to contend with the influx of refugees fleeing conflict, on a scale that make a mockery of Australia's boat people.

Western governments do nothing to stop people like Kony. It's not in their national interest and most of the time it works for their national interest. It was part of the cold war game and destabalisation was the main purpose of the CIA, (see South America).

You're all wrong about a new initiative that's using people power. You campaign against it and your the useful idiot, not me.
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Reply #20 - Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:59pm
 
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Huh? No, it's not questionable as to him still operating. And the LRA has crossed my radar repeatedly over the years. For years I wonder why he is allowed to get away with it. Of course I'm going to support anybody who wants more people to ask the same question.
Well there are plenty of people from the area saying otherwise.
Regardless there is no specualtion in the fact that the government and leaders of Uganda are much worse and have killed far more people.

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Africa is poor and people are starving precisely because of this small scale terrorism. In the past such groups were funded by South Africa to create a buffer of instability. They are funded by multinationals to cover the plunder of diamonds and rare minerals.
Small scale terrorism and poverty are both products of installed western dictatorships and the financial monopoly controlled over their economies and reserouces.
You won’t solve the problem by removing kony, you will however begin to make a real difference by removing the things that cause such people such as multinational corporations funding these groups like you have stated.


The link you have posted is a good taste of reality but will sadly never receive the attention that kony got even tho it deserves it much more.

It seems like you agree with me on the cause of these issues. So why are you so worried about removing the product of such causes when you could be for removing the cause outright?

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Some countries like Botswana have got their shyt together, but still have to contend with the influx of refugees fleeing conflict, on a scale that make a mockery of Australia's boat people.
On the other hand Libya which got its schit together better than most western nations got f'd up because it wasn’t under western control and was using its resources to fund its progress.

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Western governments do nothing to stop people like Kony. It's not in their national interest and most of the time it works for their national interest. It was part of the cold war game and destabalisation was the main purpose of the CIA, (see South America).
Which is exactly why this wouldn’t be such a big thing if it wasn’t of national interest for the US.
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Reply #21 - Mar 15th, 2012 at 7:31pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:59pm:
Which is exactly why this wouldn’t be such a big thing if it wasn’t of national interest for the US.


Well it could be a big thing because some people worked hard and did well. There's been sillier YT clips that have gone viral. Imperium puts them up all the time. You seem to take the attitude that because IC are founded in the USA they must be an offshoot of Halliburton. You might be right, but I'm not such a conspiracy nut that I'd assume that. Most people in the USA are as opposed to the kleptomaniac class as you and I, mostly they are more inclined to be the direct victims.

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Reply #22 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:23am
 
Grey wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 7:31pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:59pm:
Which is exactly why this wouldn’t be such a big thing if it wasn’t of national interest for the US.


Well it could be a big thing because some people worked hard and did well. There's been sillier YT clips that have gone viral. Imperium puts them up all the time. You seem to take the attitude that because IC are founded in the USA they must be an offshoot of Halliburton. You might be right, but I'm not such a conspiracy nut that I'd assume that. Most people in the USA are as opposed to the kleptomaniac class as you and I, mostly they are more inclined to be the direct victims.


Time will tell I guess.
What I have no doubt of is that social media can and will be used either now or in the future for bad purposes by big government or corporations.
It’s to powerful a tool for them not to have mastered already.

It’s not really to do with where they are from, I think any call to war is dodgy and without a doubt this whole thing has been dodgy.

See the amazing thing about kony is it made anti war people pro war, now I know social influence is a powerful tool but it really does make me wonder how manipulable the population is.
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Reply #23 - Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:17pm
 
This Kony thing is SO AMERICAN....SO CAN OF COKE....It is like watching some of the sunday morning church broadcasts...when the audience gets really revved up.

Do I believe this Kony thing will make a difference?...It might get him found, it might get him killed...but it is like the latest soap opera on TV and will achieve exactly zero.

Like John Lennon said, "what''s the next big thing?"

This is the latest Internet sensation and Kony is famous for his fifteen seconds.
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Reply #24 - Mar 17th, 2012 at 2:33pm
 
This is the latest Internet sensation and Kony is famous for his fifteen seconds.

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KONY 2012 Masturbation Meltdown

Jason Russell, head of the viral KONY 2012 video urging military action in Africa, was taken into police custody and later taken to the hospital after reportedly masturbating in public, vandalizing cars and other bizarre activity. TMZ released video showing Russell naked on a public street corner wildly pounding the ground apparently raving mad.

The KONY 2012 video rapidly received more than 80 million views this week, prompting a deluge of criticism and scrutiny from viewers, as well as urging from numerous public figures to send AFRICOM troops into the region.
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Reply #25 - Mar 17th, 2012 at 2:47pm
 
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Reply #26 - Mar 17th, 2012 at 2:54pm
 
Hasn't America had troops there for almost five years looking for Kony? I think they know exactly where he is. They just want an excuse to send more troops in, start a war between the two factions, split the country in two, Kony half and then place an American puppet as the leader, the oil rich part of course.

Don't laugh, remember Sudan? Libya will be next, the oil rich part will be the true govt.  This method seems to work well and is the current trend.

The video darkhall.......funny but did Angelina Jolie get one of those African plates put into her bottom lip when she picked up her last kid? A political whore she is.
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Reply #27 - Mar 17th, 2012 at 3:18pm
 
well the object may have been kony

but Jason Russell, head of the viral KONY 2012 video

sure is famous

enjoy

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Reply #28 - Mar 17th, 2012 at 3:20pm
 
Angelina Jolie is the UN spokesperson for war..

should she be arrested?



Arrest Angelina Jolie For War Crimes: Kony 2012
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Reply #29 - Mar 17th, 2012 at 4:29pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 17th, 2012 at 3:20pm:
Angelina Jolie is the UN spokesperson for war..

should she be arrested?



Arrest Angelina Jolie For War Crimes: Kony 2012

She should be, the entire UN and NATO should be, most people in the US/UK/Israeli and many other nations governments and high ranking military officals should be, thousands of corporate fat cats should be..
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