abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:




Very disingenuous Abu.

BECAUSE ACCORDING TO ISLAM ALLAH.....

Neighbors, are moslem neighbors.

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29



And those that warrant mercy [kindness] from moslems, are ONLY those persons that enslave themselves, and submit themselves to ISLAM's authority over their lives.


"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong."
Koran 60.8, 9i
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:


If they don't, it does not excuse me from not taking it 'on-board'.

[and yes, i have invited complete strangers, who i met [in the supermarket] in town, and had them stay overnight in my home. and they were not even Christians.]






abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:


Ah, you mean those people in the land that the God of Israel classed as criminals, BECAUSE OF THE THE WICKED THINGS THEY DID, and NOT because of who they were not ?


Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25  And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26  Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.


Leviticus 20:22
Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
23  And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.i

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:


Exactly so.

That seems to be a common theme in Muslim countries. Even Abu and Falah leapt to the same conclusion without knowing anything about the case.

Hereis another example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case


The "Qatif Girl" Rape Case (Arabic: قضية اغتصاب فتاة القطيف‎) is a much-publicized gang-rape case. The victim was a teenage girl from Qatif (Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia), who, along with her male companion, was kidnapped and gang-raped by seven Saudi men in mid-2006. A Saudi Sharia court sentenced the perpetrators to varying sentences involving 80 to 1,000 lashes and imprisonment up to ten years for four of them. The court also sentenced the two victims to six months in prison and 90 lashes each for "being alone with a man who is not a relative" in a parked car. The appeals court doubled the victims' sentences in late 2007 as punishment for the heavy media coverage of the event in the international press regarding the treatment of women in the KSA and Saudi judicial practices. In December 2007 the Saudi King Abdullah issued an official pardon for the two victims, citing his ultimate authority to revise "discretionary" punishments in accordance with the public good, although the pardon did not reflect any lack of confidence in the Saudi justice system or in the fairness of the verdicts.

falah wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 11:49am:


Google;


Google results;

"No results found for...... dubai laws "are mainly based on British laws". "

falah,

On what basis are you asserting that law in Dubai is mainly based on British laws ?




e.g.
Is it lawful for a Dubai woman, to marry a non-moslem, in Dubai ?

As a Christian, am i lawfully allowed to build a church in Dubai ?

As a Christian, am i lawfully allowed to OPENLY practice my faith in Dubai ?

As a Christian, am i lawfully allowed posses a Bible in Dubai, and if i wish, to distribute  Bibles to my friends, natives of Dubai,
.....YOU KNOW FALAH, COZ WE CHRISTIANS AND MOSLEMS, "ARE ALL PEOPLE OF THE BOOK" ?
/sarc off


British law extends these rights to 'aliens'.

Does Dubai law, which is "mainly based on British laws", do the same ???







falah wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 11:49am:



How jolly decent of them, eh what?

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 1:59pm:



No,  ......that verse was only talking about dhimmis, those non-moslems who submit themselves to moslems and ISLAMIC law.

But even then, dhimmis, in moslem majority nations, are persistently and commonly persecuted - BECAUSE THEY ARE NON-MOSLEMS, and for no other reason.



Google;




And in their persecution of non-moslems, moslems are merely obeying Allah's own directive.



"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

fd, we've been over it before, I've told you my opinions. I will not bother banging my head against the wall again.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 4:07pm:


Actually Abu, this whole equivalence of sex and rape thing is pretty new to me. You are right that we have been over some of the details before, and I hope I reproduced them correctly in that summary. But most of it is still pretty vague. I am especially intrigued by Falah's reference to a 'married rapist' as this appears to make the same distinction as is made for consensual sex. However for some reason he has gone all shy on me about it.

I do not think you have ever given me your opinion on whether Islam equates sex and rape. Going by the punishment, it is kind of hard to tell the difference isn't it?

You asked the exact same questions in your various threads about "sex slaves". Go back and read them if you've forgotten.