freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 7:45am:


First of all, the only source of slaves allowed in Islam, is from those people who wage war against an Islamic state. Of these people, slavery is not guaranteed. The Islamic government can decided to ransom them, or free them with no price as a gesture of good will.

Slaves can be allocated by the government to those who fought for the Islamic state, as these are men who have sacrificed everything for God Almighty; there is nothing more that man can offer than his own life in service to God Almighty. Being allocated slaves was like a small compensation for the physical and mental trauma that soldiers faced in fighting for God Almighty.

The fact is that Islam does not encourage slavery, but actually discourages it. There are no verses in the Quran telling Muslims to take slaves, but there are verses which encourage Muslims to set slaves free.

The slave who becomes a concubine is considered like a wife, and the word for concubine in Arabic actually comes from the word for marriage.

In Islam, it is forbidden to force slaves into sexual service (which was common practice in non-Islamic society).

In Pre-Islamic Arabia, warriors would rape female captives on the battle field (and this is quite normal for non-Muslim armies as we have seen in Bosnia, or with the 2 million German women gangraped by Soviets after WWII. Islam forbade this evil.


If we consider the action of Australia's ally, the US, in raping and sodomising prisoners of war at Gunatanamo Bay, Bagram and Abu Ghraib, Islam forbids this sort of sexual torture - which does not seem to shame Australia. Australia is still a willing participant in these wars despite the terrible sexual violence perpetrated by it ally, the US.

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freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 7:45am:


God, the Creator, is a stakeholder in the activities of his creation. To claim that something that He has forbidden can be consensual, is disrespectful to God.





freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 7:45am:


Obviously, the judge would choose some of the punishments in exclusion of some others depending on the circumstances of the case which would include the severity of the crime and the need for deterrence. Incidentally, these are things which judges in Australia are required to cosider when sentencing.

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Falah, why does rape need at least four witnesses for a conviction? I thought this only applied to consensual sex? [/quote]


I didn't say that there needs to be four witnesses for a conviction. A conviction can be obtained through a confession or the testimony of a victim. Some of the punishments

freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:01am:


In rape, the rapist has consented. Does that mean the sex is consensual? No, because at least one of the stakeholders has not consented. In case of fornication or adultery, there is still one stakeholder who has not consented, and that is God Almighty.



freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:01am:


The four witness or confession does not concern the conviction of rape. It is the required evidence threshold for imposing the stoning punishment, not the requirement for a rape conviction.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:45pm:


Are sure that is a good way to represent your Jewish nation? With lies?

There is no basis for your claims. I can show you fatwas from the most conservative Saudi scholars that say that the victim of rape must not be punished, and that she should not be forced to marry her attacker:

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Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:45pm:

35 Israeli Soldiers
'Raped 11-yr Old Girl'

http://www.rense.com/general70/35.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/may/02/israel

61% of Israeli men don't see forced sex with acquaintance as rape

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/study-61-of-men-don-t-see-forced-sex-w...

Israel convicts ex-president for rape

http://www.salon.com/2010/12/30/ml_israel_katsav/


Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:45pm:


Thank God for that.

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So this standard is identical for both rape and consensual sex?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:32pm:


How can women be free and respected unless they conscripted to fight in an army?

Demonstrates the Israeli mentality: A person's worth is proven by whether or not they can join an oppressive military organisation that persecutes palestinians. If you not invovled in persecuting palestinians, you are a 2nd -class citizen in Israel.

Can you also clarify what you meant by this:

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Is it only forbidden to force your slaves to have sex with other people?

How do the Jewish men control themselves around these women? Do they not feel compelled to rape them? Islam is a practical religion that realises the only way to protect women from Muslim men is to cover them up and keep them on a tight leash.

You felt no shame in being beaten by a girl?