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Reply #90 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

I was informed today why muslims wear thongs you TC proved the statement correct. People require an IQ above 60 to tie shoelaces. Abu stated that Jews and muslims are from the same tribe. It has also been written on here that Jews are descendants of pigs and apes as you are a muslim which branch or trough did you descend from? You really do write a lot of crap even for a muslim, have you got a diploma for it.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

There is little evidence to prove that such a number of people were abducted by pirates in the Mediterranean.

Corsairs captured thousands of ships, and long stretches of coast in Spain and Italy were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants, discouraging settlement until the 19th century. From the 16th to 19th century, corsairs captured an estimated 800,000 to 1.25 million people as slaves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

Well that's nice!

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

In the time period you are talking about, the Inquisitioning fanatical Spanish Christians were in firm control of the areas of the Mediterranean where this piracy is alleged to have occurred

Written by a true ignorant muslim, they were not! Whilst on the subject of Spain though between 3000 to 5000 people were killed in the Spanish Inquisition over a period of 350 years . You lot killed up to 7000 Jews in Spain in a matter of days, the year 1066.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

We are talking about brutal depopulation of the West coast of Africa with many Africans dying on the terrible journey to America in cramped conditions. Brutal punishments and sex-slavery by Christian masters awaited the Africans in the Americas

A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Muslim slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.

While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Trans Sahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!

While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.

While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.

While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.

It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).

Slaves in Africa - in the early 20th century.

However, at least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. As at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from the 14 centuries of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Trans Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people.

By some calculations the number of victims of the 14 centuries of Muslim slave trade could exceed 180 million.

The death toll from 14 centuries of the Muslim slave trade in Africa is estimated at over 112 million.

Ibn Khaldun (1332 - 1406) the preeminent Muslim medieval historian and social thinker wrote: "The Negro nations are as a rule submissive to slavery because they have attributes that are quite similar to dumb animals."

When the Fatimids came to power they slaughtered all the tens of thousands of black military slaves and raised an entirely new slave army.

http://truthandgrace.com/muslimslavery.htm

Get your facts correct next time you Racist bigot.

PS why don't you do as your wife tells you and go to that muslim loving place called Saudi Arabia. Is it because you would have to smacking work for a living?

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Re: difference between wives and sex slaves
Reply #91 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:24pm

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There are no sex slaves in Islam.

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..Do not force your maids to sexual servitude...

the quran, an-Noor, v.33

LIES, LIES, and more iSLAMIC LIES from the muslims.

an-Noor, v.33 says:
And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

So it appears that lying muslims are so deluded, they cannot understand the simple fact that a girl who is compelled to have forced sex is actually a sex slave.

muslims are liars

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Re: difference between wives and sex slaves
Reply #92 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

There are no sex slaves in Islam.

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..Do not force your maids to sexual servitude...

- the Quran, an-Noor, v.33

It just occurred to me!

Hey, TC, are you one of the mujahdeen kept employed by the disinformation offices of the various sects of the Islamic socio/religious organisations?

Do you even reside in this country? Are you working in gainful paid employment? Do you pay taxes?

One should always be wary of those who offer peace on the point of a sword.

The last time your lot attempted your grab for world-wide domination, you were defeated at the Battle of Tours.

Despite your successful insinuation into Western decision-making since, the next attempt will have the same outcome.

The simple reason that this will happen can be illustrated in the differences between our catechisms and your hadiths.

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Reply #93 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:35pm

Adamant wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

I was informed today why muslims wear thongs you TC proved the statement correct. People require an IQ above 60 to tie shoelaces. Abu stated that Jews and muslims are from the same tribe. It has also been written on here that Jews are descendants of pigs and apes as you are a muslim which branch or trough did you descend from? You really do write a lot of crap even for a muslim, have you got a diploma for it.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

There is little evidence to prove that such a number of people were abducted by pirates in the Mediterranean.

Corsairs captured thousands of ships, and long stretches of coast in Spain and Italy were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants, discouraging settlement until the 19th century. From the 16th to 19th century, corsairs captured an estimated 800,000 to 1.25 million people as slaves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

Well that's nice!

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

In the time period you are talking about, the Inquisitioning fanatical Spanish Christians were in firm control of the areas of the Mediterranean where this piracy is alleged to have occurred

Written by a true ignorant muslim, they were not! Whilst on the subject of Spain though between 3000 to 5000 people were killed in the Spanish Inquisition over a period of 350 years . You lot killed up to 7000 Jews in Spain in a matter of days, the year 1066.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

We are talking about brutal depopulation of the West coast of Africa with many Africans dying on the terrible journey to America in cramped conditions. Brutal punishments and sex-slavery by Christian masters awaited the Africans in the Americas

A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Muslim slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.

While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Trans Sahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!

While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.

While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.

While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.

adamant,

I read that same account, several years ago.

The reason given [in the article i read at that time] for these infanticides, was that the Arab/moslem fathers [of those children], did not want THEIR personal bloodlines 'polluted' with black/Negro bloodline children.

If there were no black child....

No shame.

So, kill and dispose of those black children!

Those were despicable, abominable acts of savagery, and the murder of innocents.

But moslems [today] will never, ever, acknowledge their behaviour [i.e. the behaviour of their moslem forefathers] in that regard.i

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It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).

Slaves in Africa - in the early 20th century.

However, at least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. As at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from the 14 centuries of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Trans Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people.

By some calculations the number of victims of the 14 centuries of Muslim slave trade could exceed 180 million.

The death toll from 14 centuries of the Muslim slave trade in Africa is estimated at over 112 million.

Ibn Khaldun (1332 - 1406) the preeminent Muslim medieval historian and social thinker wrote: "The Negro nations are as a rule submissive to slavery because they have attributes that are quite similar to dumb animals."

When the Fatimids came to power they slaughtered all the tens of thousands of black military slaves and raised an entirely new slave army.

http://truthandgrace.com/muslimslavery.htm

Get your facts correct next time you Racist bigot.

PS why don't you do as your wife tells you and go to that muslim loving place called Saudi Arabia. Is it because you would have to smacking work for a living?

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Re: difference between wives and sex slaves
Reply #94 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:24pm

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:24pm:

True Colours wrote:
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There are no sex slaves in Islam.

Quote:

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..Do not force your maids to sexual servitude...

the quran, an-Noor, v.33

LIES, LIES, and more iSLAMIC LIES from the muslims.

an-Noor, v.33 says:
And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

So it appears that lying muslims are so deluded, they cannot understand the simple fact that a girl who is compelled to have forced sex is actually a sex slave.

muslims are liars

The act of rape itself is illegal in Islam.

Such a female would be living in the home, being sheltered, fed, clothed, taken care of financially etc. If feelings for such a female would occur (she would be living in the home, after all), then there is no harm in having relations with her and its actually encouraged to marry such a female. Simply by considering the fact that you cannot strike your slave (striking a slave is illegal) then how can you possibly force yourself on to her?

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) made a decision about a man who had intercourse with his wife's slave-girl as follows. If he forced her, she is free, and he shall give her mistress a slave-girl similar to her; if she asked him to have intercourse voluntarily, she will belong to him, and he shall give her mistress a slave-girl similar to her.

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Re: difference between wives and sex slaves
Reply #96 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 11:29pm

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:45pm:

an-Noor, v.33: and whoever COMPELS them, then surely after their COMPULSION Allah is Forgiving, Merciful

Compelling / forcing a girl to have sex IS RAPING her.

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:

an-Noor, v.33: and if you compell them allah is forgiving.

Only in islam is compelling / forcing a girl to have sex, not raping her.

muslims are liars.

Actually, it turns out that the Islam-bashers are the liars once again.

Why are you distorting the verse?

What it actually says:

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And if someone should force them, then indeed, God is [to the forced women], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

eg. God does not hold the forced women as blameworthy.

How does your sick mind twist it round to somehow mean that rape is allowed?

There must be a lot of rot in your brain to come to such a conclusion.

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Reply #97 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:03am

White Christian European enslavement and brutal treatment of millions of Africans is well documented.

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Current estimates are that about 12 million were shipped across the Atlantic,[4] although the actual number purchased by the traders is considerably higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

But let's ignore that and make up some stuff about Muslims taking 850,000 slaves. We will post a wikipedia article that references this article which says:

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According to observers of the late 1500s and early 1600s, there were around 35,000 European Christian slaves held throughout this time on the Barbary Coast - many in Tripoli, Tunis, and various Moroccan towns, but most of all in Algiers. The greatest number were sailors, taken with their ships

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml#two

The greatest number were sailors - probably working on enemy government navy ships.

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There are no records of how many men, women and children were enslaved

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml#two

No actual records! Well then lets just make some numbers up.

Let's go from 35,000 mostly sailors captured by pirates and inflate it to 850,000. Who needs facts? It is the the Islam-bashers way to invent facts.

Now let's look at how Muslims treat slaves compared to how Westerners keep slaves

Western Slavery

More than 1 million African slaves kidnapped by European Christian died in the terrible cramped condition aboard ships crossing the Atlantic Ocean

When they arrived in the Americas they faced beatings, rape and terrible tortures.

Nearly 1 million died at the ports shortly after arrival.

They then faced similar treatment as well as forced labour onced purchased by their new Christian master in America

Islamic Slavery

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Your slaves are your brothers and God has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.'
- Bukhari

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...And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (authorising their freedom), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them...
- the Quran, an-Noor, v.33

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Napoleon Bonaparte is recorded as saying about the condition of slaves in Muslim countries:

"The slave inherits his master's property and marries his daughter. The majority of the Pashas had been slaves. Many of the grand viziers, all the Mamelukes, Ali Ben Mourad Beg, had been slaves. They began their lives by performing the most menial services in the houses of their masters and were subsequently raised in status for their merit or by favour. In the West, on the contrary, the slave has always been below the position of the domestic servants; he occupies the lowest rung. The Romans emancipated their slaves, but the emancipated were never considered as equal to the free-born. The ideas of the East and West are so different that it took a long time to make the Egyptians understand that all the army was not composed of slaves belonging to the Sultan al-Kabir."

Source: Cherfils, Bonaparte et l'Islam (Paris, 1914)

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P. L Riviere writes:

"A master was enjoined to make his slave share the bounties he received from God. It must be recognised that, in this respect, the Islamic teaching acknowledged such a respect for human personality and showed a sense of equality which is searched for in vain in ancient civilization"

Source: Riviere P.L., Revue Bleaue (June 1939).

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On the attitude of Muslim master with his slaves, Will Durant says,

"...he handled them with a genial humanity that made their lot no worse - perhaps better, as more secure - than that of a factory worker in nineteenth-century Europe."

Source: Hurgronje C., Mohammedanism, (N.Y., 1916), p. 128 as quoted by W. Durant, The Story of Civilization, vol. IV (N.Y., 1950), p. 209.

[ eg. The slave of the Muslim was better off than the free man in England in the 19th century, which probably means better off than a Workchoices slave.

So a poor Christian sailor coming from a welfareless Europe in the 17th century was probably better off as a slave of a Muslim master because his master was required to clothe him, feed him, and not brutalise him.

Many of the sailors on European ships were effectively slaves anyway as they were conscripted into naval service. The European navies were quite brutal in their treatment of conscripts so it would probably be a relief to be captured by Muslim pirates.

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Reply #98 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:11pm

True Colours wrote:
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And if someone should force them, then indeed, God is [to the forced women], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

eg. God does not hold the forced women as blameworthy.

You're certainly doing a jig trying to side step this one aren't you TC?

There are 3 accepted and recognised translations of the qur'an below

an-Noor, v.33
YUSUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

PICKTHAL: And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

All of these say that forced prostitution is advised against however a precondition to rape the woman is given e.g: if you do compell the women allah is merciful and compassionate.

Stop going round in circles T C.

Why isn't forced prostitution / rape totally banned or prohibited?

Why is there a proviso to commit rape of women in an-Noor, v.33 ?

Why does an innocent women who has committed no sin need forgiving?

If the woman committed no sin when she was raped, how does allah forgive her non- existent sin?

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Reply #99 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:17pm

moses wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

True Colours wrote:
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And if someone should force them, then indeed, God is [to the forced women], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

eg. God does not hold the forced women as blameworthy.

You're certainly doing a jig trying to side step this one aren't you TC?

There are 3 accepted and recognised translations of the qur'an below

an-Noor, v.33
YUSUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

PICKTHAL: And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

All of these say that forced prostitution is advised against however a precondition to rape the woman is given e.g: if you do compell the women allah is merciful and compassionate.

Stop going round in circles T C.

Why isn't forced prostitution / rape totally banned or prohibited?

Why is there a proviso to commit rape of women in an-Noor, v.33 ?

Why does an innocent women who has committed no sin need forgiving?

If the woman committed no sin when she was raped, how does allah forgive her non- existent sin?

Whenever a person is compelled to do evil, a sin is counted with the evil action. The sin is transferred from the person who is compelled to the person who compels.

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Reply #100 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:33pm

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Simply by considering the fact that you cannot strike your slave (striking a slave is illegal)

LOL, yet Muhammed had a good laugh when his mate beat his wife. Again, can you point to the relevant verse? The orthodox view among Muslims is that ioslam permits wife beating, and you need to ignore a lot of inconvenient facts about Muhammed to claim otherwise. It will be interesting to see you explain how slaves deserve better treatment than wives. Perhaps male slaves are a rung above female Muslims?

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if you do compell the women allah is merciful and compassionate

Oh great, it even permits prostituting out your sex slave.

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The companions of Prophet Muhammed were asked about this, and they explained that a sin had been made, but that sin is transferred from the person who is compelled to the person who does the compelling.

And neither are to be punished? If Islam is so keen to kill people for having sex with the wrong person, why is it so forgiving on prostitution?

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Reply #101 - Aug 8^th, 2013 at 8:14pm

True Colours

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Moses wrote:
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SHAKIR: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

All of these say that forced prostitution is advised against however a precondition to rape the woman is given e.g: if you do compell the women allah is merciful and compassionate.

Stop going round in circles T C.

Why isn't forced prostitution / rape totally banned or prohibited?

Why is there a proviso to commit rape of women in an-Noor, v.33 ?

Why does an innocent women who has committed no sin need forgiving?

If the woman committed no sin when she was raped, how does allah forgive her non- existent sin?

True Colours wrote:
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Whenever a person is compelled to do evil, a sin is counted with the evil action. The sin is transferred from the person who is compelled to the person who compels.

So let's see if I've got this right:
an-Noor, v.33 does not ban, prohibit or forbid forced prostitution / rape of women.

an-Noor, v.33 provides a precondition for forced prostitution / rape of women.

an-Noor, v.33 tells us that a woman forced into prostitution and raped is forgiven by allah.

muslims must be a backward lot, if they don't have an inherent discernment that innocent women who are raped in forced prostitution are not sinners.

To sum up:
rape is not forbidden in islam

muslims are so unintelligent, they have to be told, innocent women who are raped, are not sinners.

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Reply #102 - Aug 8^th, 2013 at 9:52pm

Adamant wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

I was informed today why muslims wear thongs you TC proved the statement correct. People require an IQ above 60 to tie shoelaces. Abu stated that Jews and muslims are from the same tribe. It has also been written on here that Jews are descendants of pigs and apes as you are a muslim which branch or trough did you descend from? You really do write a lot of crap even for a muslim, have you got a diploma for it.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

There is little evidence to prove that such a number of people were abducted by pirates in the Mediterranean.

Corsairs captured thousands of ships, and long stretches of coast in Spain and Italy were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants, discouraging settlement until the 19th century. From the 16th to 19th century, corsairs captured an estimated 800,000 to 1.25 million people as slaves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

Well that's nice!

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

In the time period you are talking about, the Inquisitioning fanatical Spanish Christians were in firm control of the areas of the Mediterranean where this piracy is alleged to have occurred

Written by a true ignorant muslim, they were not! Whilst on the subject of Spain though between 3000 to 5000 people were killed in the Spanish Inquisition over a period of 350 years . You lot killed up to 7000 Jews in Spain in a matter of days, the year 1066.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:40am:

We are talking about brutal depopulation of the West coast of Africa with many Africans dying on the terrible journey to America in cramped conditions. Brutal punishments and sex-slavery by Christian masters awaited the Africans in the Americas

A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Muslim slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.

While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Trans Sahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!

While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.

While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.

While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.

It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).

Slaves in Africa - in the early 20th century.

However, at least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. As at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from the 14 centuries of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Trans Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people.

By some calculations the number of victims of the 14 centuries of Muslim slave trade could exceed 180 million.

The death toll from 14 centuries of the Muslim slave trade in Africa is estimated at over 112 million.

Ibn Khaldun (1332 - 1406) the preeminent Muslim medieval historian and social thinker wrote: "The Negro nations are as a rule submissive to slavery because they have attributes that are quite similar to dumb animals."

When the Fatimids came to power they slaughtered all the tens of thousands of black military slaves and raised an entirely new slave army.

http://truthandgrace.com/muslimslavery.htm

Get your facts correct next time you Racist bigot.

PS why don't you do as your wife tells you and go to that muslim loving place called Saudi Arabia. Is it because you would have to smacking work for a living?

I have posted this again TC as you must have missed it last time

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Re: difference between wives and sex slaves
Reply #103 - Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 5:43pm

Does anyone know where the previous discussion is where Gandalf pretended not to know about Muhammed's sex slaves?

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:59am:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:14am:

Muhammed had sex with his sex slaves.

No he didn't. Muhammad had sex with no one he wasn't married to.

Now stand by as Baron swoops in and "proves" me wrong with a quote from islamqa

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 9:14am:

What is the proper Islamic punishment for raping your sex slave or spouse?

Not sure FD - what is the "proper islamic punishment" for drinking alcohol or charging riba? Since they also don't have any specified punishment. Does it mean islam permits those as well? Must be.

I thought we had been over this Gandalf. Muhammed had about a dozen wives and a large number of sex slaves.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 8:42pm:

Muhammad had perhaps 13 wives and precisely zero sex slaves.

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Oops, my bad. I meant "slaves that you can have sex with".

Is there actually uncertainty about how many wives Muhammed had?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 5:08pm:

he had no slaves that he had sex with.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92296 Gender:	Re: difference between wives and sex slaves Reply #104 - Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 6:42pm No, FD, but it’s good to see you addressing such important questions here. The moral challenges of our age, no?
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