Australian Politics Forum - Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

pjb05 Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1402 Gender:	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #150 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:40pm freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:07pm: Lets try to simplify then. Can a reasonable argument be made in favour of giving priority to shore based fishing spots? There is no need to fear your own opinion PJ. The truth will set you free. Why don't you go get an education, broken record.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47366 At my desk.	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #151 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:53pm I am just trying to figure out whether you are afraid of your own opinion or confused about what I am asking you - hence my attempt at a simpler question.
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pjb05 Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1402 Gender:	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #152 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:59pm freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:53pm: I am just trying to figure out whether you are afraid of your own opinion or confused about what I am asking you - hence my attempt at a simpler question. Don't patronise me after all the rubbish and lies you have put up here.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47366 At my desk.	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #153 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:04pm Can a reasonable argument be made in favour of giving priority to shore based fishing spots?
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pjb05 Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1402 Gender:	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #154 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:10pm freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:04pm: Can a reasonable argument be made in favour of giving priority to shore based fishing spots? No. There are better ways to manage recreational fishing.
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Reply #155 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:21pm

Have you changed your mind?

pjb05 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

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I'd keep all spots open to recreational fishing. Is that clear enough?

You still appear incapable of making the mental leap of separating this priniple from your stance on marine parks in general.

Suppose you did not have a choice about the use of no take zones. I believe you even admitted to supporting them in some circumstances. It is easy enough to exclude accessible land based fishing spots from them. Would you support that?

It's called a false dichotomy FD, why are you incapable of making the mental leap to understand that?

Should land based spots take priority over spots that can only be accessed by boat?

You can make a reasonable case for that. Then again you can make a case for safe easily accessable boat fishing spots to have a priority too. These will be NTZ's under your plan.

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They are already open to fishing - at least where marine parks don't exist.

And in almost all cases, they are open to fishing where marine parks do exist.

Rubbish. There are plenty of such spots in NTZ's. In NSW people have bought houses next to a beach so they can walk down to fish off the beach, only to have them declared NTZ's!

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pjb05 Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1402 Gender:	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #156 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:24pm No, and there is no evidence there that I have changed my mind - you have proved nothing.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47366 At my desk.	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #157 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:29pm Then perhaps I have misunderstood you. Can you please explain to me how stating that a reasonable case can be made in fact means that a reasonable case cannot be made?
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Reply #158 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:41pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Then perhaps I have misunderstood you. Can you please explain to me how stating that a reasonable case can be made in fact means that a reasonable case cannot be made?

Because I immediately said it's also reasonable not to ban boat fishing. In the light of this statement your interpretion has no internal logic.

As to the first part I was responding to your statement - I didn't say anything about giving priority to shore based fishing over boat based fishing.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47366 At my desk.	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #159 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:43pm I see. So your logic is that there can only be one one point of view with a reasonable case behind it, so it should have been obvious to me that when you said a reasonable case could also be made for something else you were in fact contradicting yourself?
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Reply #160 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:57pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

I see. So your logic is that there can only be one one point of view with a reasonable case behind it, so it should have been obvious to me that when you said a reasonable case could also be made for something else you were in fact contradicting yourself?

Do you have a clue about anything FD?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47366 At my desk.	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #161 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:59pm Please explain it to me like I am a child.
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Reply #162 - Apr 17^th, 2012 at 4:32pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

I see. So your logic is that there can only be one one point of view with a reasonable case behind it, so it should have been obvious to me that when you said a reasonable case could also be made for something else you were in fact contradicting yourself?

What I meant was there is a reasnable case to leave shore spots open to anglers and leave boating spots opened. There is no contradiction in that.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47366 At my desk.	Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen Reply #163 - Apr 17^th, 2012 at 5:51pm Is there a contradiction in saying that there is a reasonable case for giving priority to shore based spots and then saying there is not? What arguments do you consider reasonable when it comes to giving priority to certain spots?
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Reply #164 - Apr 17^th, 2012 at 5:55pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

Is there a contradiction in saying that there is a reasonable case for giving priority to shore based spots and then saying there is not?

What arguments do you consider reasonable when it comes to giving priority to certain spots?

I didn't say anything about giving priority to certain spots, you back to your false dichotomy again. Remember our point of difference is actually about the benefit of marine parks.

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