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Re: Holocaust ‘Biggest, Blackest Lie In History
Reply #30 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:21pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:19pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:26pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:35pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:34pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
I think regardless if he was catholic or not, the bible does condone and encourage everything he did.


As I said, the first casualties are often REALITY & TRUTH!
Well its written in the bible, I dont know what more truth I need than that?


What is?
-kill followers of other religions
-kill gypsys
-kill homosexuals
-kill people with disabilites or defomities
-human sacrifice including women and children
-burning people
-rape people
-keep slaves
-keeping spoils of war including slaves
-plundering
-kill people who don't listen to priests
-kill witches
-kill fortunetellers
-kill false prophets



Quote:
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


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The Angel of Death

    My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out.  (Exodus 23:23 NAB)


So, because Hitler did all this, he was following the bible?

And, therefore Hitler was really a modern messiah?

Well I never said that but history would suggest this yes
according to the bible he would be going to heaven
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Re: Holocaust ‘Biggest, Blackest Lie In History
Reply #31 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 9:36pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:19pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:26pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:35pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:34pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
I think regardless if he was catholic or not, the bible does condone and encourage everything he did.


As I said, the first casualties are often REALITY & TRUTH!
Well its written in the bible, I dont know what more truth I need than that?


What is?
-kill followers of other religions
-kill gypsys
-kill homosexuals
-kill people with disabilites or defomities
-human sacrifice including women and children
-burning people
-rape people
-keep slaves
-keeping spoils of war including slaves
-plundering
-kill people who don't listen to priests
-kill witches
-kill fortunetellers
-kill false prophets



Quote:
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Quote:
The Angel of Death

    My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out.  (Exodus 23:23 NAB)


So, because Hitler did all this, he was following the bible?

And, therefore Hitler was really a modern messiah?

Well I never said that but history would suggest this yes
according to the bible he would be going to heaven


As I've said elsewhere, Reality & Truth, are often casualties!
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Re: Holocaust ‘Biggest, Blackest Lie In History
Reply #32 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53am
 
Holocaust deniers have always struck me as very strange.

They don't like jewish people and they claim that a massive event where 6 million jewish people got snuffed never happened? That the entire government of the most vehemently Anti-Semetic government ever known was so entirely at the mercy of jews that their entire record keeping system was entirely subsumed by their enemy?

If any of this were true their very continuation in any level of organisation would be in vain. Doesn't matter how small your KKK chapter or neo nazi group is is those jewish blokes are going to slip in and fabricate all your signatures, force you to build giant remote ovens for some reason and probably rip your face off and make a cunning disguise out of you. Rarely do you find a radical movement so rife with defeatism and cowardice they try to disprove what would be their greatest victory. Imagine if 6 million people were killed on 911 somehow and Osama said "Oh no we were too successful better pretend we never did it".

I guess dabbling in conspiracy does take them back to their roots, hell I doubt the nazis would have formed without conspiracy nuts believing in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".
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Re: Holocaust ‘Biggest, Blackest Lie In History
Reply #33 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:20am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 9:36pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:19pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:26pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:35pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:34pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
I think regardless if he was catholic or not, the bible does condone and encourage everything he did.


As I said, the first casualties are often REALITY & TRUTH!
Well its written in the bible, I dont know what more truth I need than that?


What is?
-kill followers of other religions
-kill gypsys
-kill homosexuals
-kill people with disabilites or defomities
-human sacrifice including women and children
-burning people
-rape people
-keep slaves
-keeping spoils of war including slaves
-plundering
-kill people who don't listen to priests
-kill witches
-kill fortunetellers
-kill false prophets



Quote:
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Quote:
The Angel of Death

    My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out.  (Exodus 23:23 NAB)


So, because Hitler did all this, he was following the bible?

And, therefore Hitler was really a modern messiah?

Well I never said that but history would suggest this yes
according to the bible he would be going to heaven


As I've said elsewhere, Reality & Truth, are often casualties!

Well do your bit and resuscitate reality and truth and explain why I am wrong.
You can’t change the words of the bible
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Re: Holocaust ‘Biggest, Blackest Lie In History
Reply #34 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:23am
 
Incomptinence wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53am:
Holocaust deniers have always struck me as very strange.

They don't like jewish

You do realise that it wasnt just Jewish people who died in the holocaust.
Why does someone have to hate jewish people to deny the holocaust?
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Re: Holocaust ‘Biggest, Blackest Lie In History
Reply #35 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 11:35am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:20am:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 9:36pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:19pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:26pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:35pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:34pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
I think regardless if he was catholic or not, the bible does condone and encourage everything he did.


As I said, the first casualties are often REALITY & TRUTH!
Well its written in the bible, I dont know what more truth I need than that?


What is?
-kill followers of other religions
-kill gypsys
-kill homosexuals
-kill people with disabilites or defomities
-human sacrifice including women and children
-burning people
-rape people
-keep slaves
-keeping spoils of war including slaves
-plundering
-kill people who don't listen to priests
-kill witches
-kill fortunetellers
-kill false prophets



Quote:
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Quote:
The Angel of Death

    My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out.  (Exodus 23:23 NAB)


So, because Hitler did all this, he was following the bible?

And, therefore Hitler was really a modern messiah?

Well I never said that but history would suggest this yes
according to the bible he would be going to heaven


As I've said elsewhere, Reality & Truth, are often casualties!

Well do your bit and resuscitate reality and truth and explain why I am wrong.
You can’t change the words of the bible


No thanks, No point and anyway, I've already done what I wanted to do!

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Reply #36 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 11:39am
 
I have no opinion on this, I am merely stating that the bible does condone it as it is a fact
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Reply #37 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 1:50pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Incomptinence wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53am:
Holocaust deniers have always struck me as very strange.

They don't like jewish

You do realise that it wasnt just Jewish people who died in the holocaust.
Why does someone have to hate jewish people to deny the holocaust?



The holocaust did happen.
That is fact.
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Reply #38 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:09pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Incomptinence wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53am:
Holocaust deniers have always struck me as very strange.

They don't like jewish

You do realise that it wasnt just Jewish people who died in the holocaust.
Why does someone have to hate jewish people to deny the holocaust?



The holocaust did happen.
That is fact.

I know
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Reply #39 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:14pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Incomptinence wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53am:
Holocaust deniers have always struck me as very strange.

They don't like jewish

You do realise that it wasnt just Jewish people who died in the holocaust.
Why does someone have to hate jewish people to deny the holocaust?



The holocaust did happen.
That is fact.

I know



Then maybe you can begin to understand what is driving force of Israel and Israeli peoples.



“On this day, when we remember the six million victims, let us also remember two lessons: first, ‘the Holocaust – never again.’ And second – an independent, strong, thriving and peaceful State of Israel is the vengeance of the dead.

It is also the comfort for those remaining alive. Thus we have the uppermost responsibility to protect and defend it for the future generations.”



Ehud Barak - Israeli Defense Minister Address to the United Nations
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Reply #40 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:16pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Incomptinence wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53am:
Holocaust deniers have always struck me as very strange.

They don't like jewish

You do realise that it wasnt just Jewish people who died in the holocaust.
Why does someone have to hate jewish people to deny the holocaust?



The holocaust did happen.
That is fact.

I know



Then maybe you can begin to understand what is driving force of Israel and Israeli peoples.



“On this day, when we remember the six million victims, let us also remember two lessons: first, ‘the Holocaust – never again.’ And second – an independent, strong, thriving and peaceful State of Israel is the vengeance of the dead.

It is also the comfort for those remaining alive. Thus we have the uppermost responsibility to protect and defend it for the future generations.”



Ehud Barak - Israeli Defense Minister Address to the United Nations

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Re: Holocaust ‘Biggest, Blackest Lie In History
Reply #41 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 3:58pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Incomptinence wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53am:
Holocaust deniers have always struck me as very strange.

They don't like jewish

You do realise that it wasnt just Jewish people who died in the holocaust.
Why does someone have to hate jewish people to deny the holocaust?



The holocaust did happen.
That is fact.


Yes it did, and many millions of other religions and races died who don't even get mentioned.


The trouble with the JEWISH holocaust is that they OVER-ESTIMATE their own numbers, still demand compensation for people who were never part of the shoah, steal palestinian land That was NOT allotted to them nor compensate palestinians for loss of land, orchards and homes, bulldoze palestinian homes to house illegal Israeli 'settlers', Get Billions of dollars funding, made LAWS to stop anyone QUESTIONING history, receive military AID to fight palestinian retaliation, and to add insult to injury turned their (shoah) into a billion dollar BUSINESS ie making profits out of their dead.

NO OTHER COUNTRY OR RELIGION HAVE EVER DONE THIS, OR RECEIVED SO MUCH IN THE HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE WORLD.


The trouble with you and your zionist establishment Avram is your attitude of superiority and acting as if you and yours are the ONLY ones who count in this world, as if we GOYIM count for nothing.





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Reply #42 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 4:09pm
 
Jan wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 3:58pm:
The trouble with you and your zionist establishment Avram is your attitude of superiority and acting as if you and yours are the ONLY ones who count in this world, as if we GOYIM count for nothing.

And this from someone of European descent! Is the irony lost on you?
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Reply #43 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 4:15pm
 
http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html
Overlooked Millions: Non-Jewish Victims of the Holocaust

Karen Silverstrim, MA Candidate
University of Central Arkansas

The genocidal policies of the Nazis resulted in the deaths of about as many Polish Gentiles as Polish Jews, thus making them co-victims in a Forgotten Holocaust. This Holocaust has been largely ignored because historians who have written on the subject of the Holocaust have chosen to interpret the tragedy in exclusivistic terms--namely, as the most tragic period in the history of the Jewish Diaspora. To them, the Holocaust was unique to the Jews, and they therefore have had little or nothing to say about the nine million Gentiles, including three million Poles, who also perished in the greatest tragedy the world has ever known. Little wonder that many people who experienced these events share the feeling of Nobel Laureate Czeslaw Milosz, who anxious when the meaning of the word Holocaust undergoes gradual modifications, so that the word begins to belong to the history of the Jews exclusively, as if among the victims there were not also millions of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, and prisoners of other nationalities. -- Richard C. Lukas, preface to The Forgotten Holocaust: The Poles under German Occupation 1939-1944
The Holocaust was more than a Jewish event. Records kept by the Germans prove they exterminated millions of Communists, Czechs, Greeks, Gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, mentally and physically handicapped, Poles, resistance fighters, Russians, Serbs, Socialists, Spanish Republicans, trade unionists, Ukrainians, Yugoslavians, prisoners of war of many nations, and still others whose identity may never be recognized.

Their victims, according to one survivor of four different concentration camps, "were of some thirty nationalities, from Nepalese to Andorrans, and of a variety of racial and linguistic stocks ranging from Basques to Buriats and from Ladinos to Lapps". When people were not immediately exterminated, they were sent to work and/or concentration camps. There the prisoners were divided into six penal categories and given patches on their clothing for identification purposes. Ordinary criminals were assigned green; political prisoners wore red; black was worn by asocials (slackers, prostitutes, procurers, etc.); homosexuals wore pink; conscientious objectors wore purple, and the Jewish people wore yellow.

official government documents of various countries, place the death toll of people murdered by the Nazis during the Holocaust as conservatively over 15 million non-combatant people. One official source estimates the number killed at 26 million. However, "with the mass graves on the eastern front, exact figures will never be known".

Ukrainians 5.5 - 7 million
Jews (of all countries) 6 million +
Russian POWs 3.3 million +
Russian Civilians 2 million +
Poles 3 million +
Yugoslavians 1.5 million +
Gypsies 200,000 - 500,000
Mentally/Physically Disabled 70,000- 250,000
Homosexuals Tens of thousands
Spanish Republicans Tens of thousands
Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500 - 5,000
Boy and Girl Scouts, Clergy, Communists, Czechs, Deportees, Greeks, Political Prisoners, Other POWs, Resistance Fighters, Serbs, Socialists, Trade Unionists, Others Unknown.

The six million figure used in the Jewish death toll is an estimate for total lives lost. These Jewish lives were taken by a number of groups, not just Nazis. The six million figure includes Jewish lives lost in other countries as well, not just Germany, and by the various modes of killing, not just camp deaths. Ukrainian deaths were due to Russian and Nazi perpetrators alike, some killed on "acquired" German soil, others killed on Russian soil, some killed outright, others slowly worked or starved to death. If Russian Jews, killed on Russian soil by both Nazis and Russians, are considered Holocaust deaths, then the Ukrainians killed alongside them should also be categorized as Holocaust deaths.

Numerous factors have contributed to the American public's perception of the Holocaust as an exclusively Jewish event. Recognizing these factors--misinformation, misrepresentation, and political agendas--should be the first step in correcting America's skewed version of Holocaust history.

The Holocaust was an event of mass prejudice and abuse of power. It entailed the murdering of many millions of people who were singled out for their differences, whether they be religious, ethnic, physical, political, social or national. Over six million Jewish people were murdered by virtue of their ethnicity and religion, while somewhere between sixteen and twenty million non-Jews were also murdered because they did not fit the homogeneous mold the Nazi regime had selected for the German nation. Consequently, the image of the Holocaust as strictly a Jewish event must be corrected. If not, millions of non-Jews will have died without a record in history, and the Holocaust will never be an accurate portrayal of the actual historical event.


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Reply #44 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 5:31pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Incomptinence wrote on Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53am:
Holocaust deniers have always struck me as very strange.

They don't like jewish

You do realise that it wasnt just Jewish people who died in the holocaust.
Why does someone have to hate jewish people to deny the holocaust?


I was under the impression holocaust deniers whipping out theories about all powerful homosexual or gypsies conspiracies faking the whole thing wasn't the norm. Oh I'm sure there is a subset blaming the other minorities killed and probably even theorists who blame none of the groups involved and have just thatched it into their mindset for the hell of it like a bowerbird that collects madness. I thought we were talking about holocaust denial though not if the reptiloids did it.
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