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Reply #15 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:37am
 
>> falah << is a moslem.

falah is clearly proud of the 'righteousness' [rape, murder, corruption, child rape, oppression, tyranny, etc.] which ISLAM enables in the world.

......BECAUSE HE  >>> NEVER, EVER <<< CONDEMNS THE WICKED THINGS WHICH MOSLEMS DO.


And why not ???

Because these depraved crimes of moslems, are 'lawful' to moslems.

ISLAM, 'legitimises' the criminal behaviour of moslems.

And falah, is 'happy' about that.

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Reply #16 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:11pm
 
Raping stoned young girls is criminal no doubt , but if you tried to warn them , they would say you were jealous .

Young tarts are brainless at times , sadly .
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Reply #17 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:25pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:29am:
falah wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:01am:
Cofgod wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 4:43am:
It doesn't suprise me that the men are all of Pakistani origin.

It's been known for a long time in Britain that Pakistani men often prey on young and often underrage girls and their victims are usually white.

However, our PC PCs usually allow these men to continue with their vile acts because they are scared of getting accused of being "racist."



I can show you thousands of articles about white people raping underage girls, maybe we should be alarmed about white people?






falah,

Yes, but the point being, is that Western culture criminalises rape and child abuse, and sex with children.

While ISLAMIC culture legitimises rape [of female captives], and child abuse [mercilessly beating children], and sex with children [just marry an 8 year old girl and you can bugger her to your black hearts delight].




>>> ISLAM legitimises the rape of small children, young girls. <<<



Sexual misconduct and abuse is not illegal in a Sharia jurisdiction.

[....but where particular sexual misconduct is illegal, within moslem communities, such sexual misconduct is also considered 'shameful', and therefore it almost always remains hidden [and unreported], to protect a moslem family's 'honour'.]



BUT, BUT......
A moslem man living in a Sharia jurisdiction, can 'LAWFULLY' buy, and marry, and abuse, an 8 year old girl. AND THEREBY 'LEGITIMISE' HIS RAPE OF CHILDREN.





e.g.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/Nojoud%20Muhammad%20Nasser.jpg
This 8 year old Yemeni 'wife' was continually raped by her lawful husband.





April 11, 2008
8-year-old girl seeks divorce in Yemen
.....SANA’A, April 9 - An eight-year-old girl decided last week to go the Sana’a West Court to prosecute her father, who forced her to marry a 30-year-old man......
.......Whenever I wanted to play in the yard he beat me and asked me to go to the bedroom with him. This lasted for two months," added Nasser. "He was too tough with me, and whenever I asked him for mercy, he beat me and slapped me and then used me.



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231993677/36#36
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315270914/16#16
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Call it what they like.
This religion is a haven for pedo's, and nothing more.
Sick maggot.
8 year old wife indeed. Angry
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Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:27pm
 
PigStyPete wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:11pm:

Raping stoned young girls is criminal no doubt , but if you tried to warn them , they would say you were jealous .

Young tarts are brainless at times , sadly .





IMO, our nature and our human 'proclivities', are just a 'confirmation' of our 'human condition'.





But [i believe that] we are meant to be wise enough, to eventually come to the realisation, that doing foolish things [i.e. making poor choices], will almost always have bad consequences for us.

Some of us do learn from our past mistaken path(s).

And some of us just keep making the same poor choices, again, and again, and again, imo.







Q.
How can you teach wisdom to a 'naughty', wilful child ?

A.
You can't.



A child who will not, who refuses, to learn from the instruction of a tutor, must be 'let go'.

That wilful child must learn from 'the school of hard knocks'.


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Reply #19 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:08pm
 
Western laws are only loosely based on the bible.   In fact many, many laws exceed those recommendations in the bible.

The king james bible is fairly "up to date".  Go back to the 1st testiment and hebrew bibles and they are just as archiac in some of their implied laws.

Hence why we have seperation of church and state.   Thats the issue here, not which church is the best.
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Reply #20 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm
 
You are a real hypocryte and a lier i have ever heard you have fabricated narations from hadit guve me qutoes and reference no of which hadiths it says that in about the companions and the prophet doing indecencies with other women, this is utterly against islam you are teaching the fale image of Islam you are a radicalised jew zionist, your propaganda is hate agains islam, TRUE ISLAM you want to see it type in google video Highlights of Dawateislami Work Around the World. Dawateislami in pakistan is propagating the true image of Islam these salafi wahabi leaders have tried everything to cause hard to this group but have not succeeded by the grace of God Dawateislamis high religious leaders are being protected by government officials are assasinantion attempts ave beenn made on their life by the wahabis, because the dawateislami is reviving the true image of islam which is peace and love ou go to any dawateislai brother tith a green turban wheter you are a non believer or not they will treat you with utmost respect.

a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law is sharia law what do you do to criminals who steal murder just lock them up Islam teaches peace and harmony why the sharia law is harsh on criminals so that other people can take heed and not to follow their footsteps, but nowardays sharia law has been put in the hand of hard harted extremists, who have n right to implement it without the sharia court approving of it whereerver in the world.

you talk about oppression what about the cruelty of the jews who have invaded the land of the palestinians and keiling them daily and you remain silent about crimes being commited by the jews who kill unarmed men women and children in palestine who are the murderers then, then you accuse them of crimes which they do inorder to defend their land. why areent the jews murdersers rapists scums who rape young girls as they leave home to go to schools. armored tanks running over innocent people i can go on and on of the attroceties commited by jews and christians theroughout the world.


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Reply #21 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:18pm
 
A Mercy to the Worlds
"We have sent you but as a mercy to the worlds." [Al-Qur'an 21:107]


The year is 570 CE, five years after the death of the Roman Emperor Justinian. An army of men, horses and elephants ruthlessly march towards the city of Makkah, intending to wipe it out of existence. This is the army of the Abysinnian warlord Abraha, who after conquering Yemen is now advancing towards the sacred city of Makkah. One of the notables of Makkah, Abdul-Muttalib, has ordered all the women and children to go up into the mountains and take refuge there whilst the men go and fight. However, the men of Makkah are of no match to the deadly Abysinnian lancers who soon crush their resistance on the borders of the city.

Victory seems imminent for Abraha. Yet when the army advances to the fringes of the city, headed by its lead elephant, the creature stops unexpectedly and refuses to go any further towards the direction of Makkah. No amount of budging will make this beast go towards the direction of conquest, yet when the army turn it around, it is more than willing to go back. Suddenly from the distant horizon, a huge flock of birds is seen. Ominously it makes its way to the scene of the battle. In their beaks and claws the birds carry with them stones. Like lightning do they descend upon the confused army of Abraha and pelt them viciously with the stones. The stones start to cut and tear away at the bodies of these aggressors and reduce them to helpless wretches. The army of the tyrant are sent back in humiliation. It is no less than a miracle which has saved this sacred city.

This event was to be remembered by the Arabs as the year of the elephant and was to hold great significance in the balance of power in Arabia. But it was the event which occurred fifty days later in the same year which was not only to be remembered, but would also change the course of history forever. It was on the 12th day of the month of Rabi' al-Awwal, that in the house of Abdul-Muttalib a child was born. It was the child of Amina, the wife of Abdullah, the son of Abdul-Muttalib. This was the child who would change the way of life of all those around him. This was the child who would unite all people under one way. This was the child who would bring the great empires of the world to a standstill.

This child was Muhammad, the last and final messenger of Allah to mankind.

The name Muhammad was given to the child by his grandfather Abdul-Muttalib. The name was one which was known amongst the Arabs at that time but was not common. The literal meaning of Muhammad is 'the praised one', and it is reported that upon being asked why Abdul-Muttalib had named his grandson so, he replied:

    "I did so with the desire that my grandson would be praised by Allah in Heaven and by men on earth." [The History of Islam and the Muslims, Iqbal Mohammed, vol 1 p. 138]

It seems as if the desire of Abdul-Muttalib came true, for it was the name of Muhammad, upon whom be peace, which was to be uttered and praised more times than that of any person in history. In fact it is not only men who praise this remarkable man, but also the Creator of the Heavens and the earth, Allah, and the inhabitants of the heavens, the angels:

    "Allah and His angels bless the Prophet. O you who believe! Bless him and salute him with a worthy salutation." [Al-Qur'an 33:56]

The grandson of Abdul-Muttalib was destined to become the greatest man ever to live.

The early life of Muhammad, peace be upon him, before his prophethood, is unknown to most people. His life is highlighted by his sublime character and noble manners. The world of Muhammad, peace be upon him, was a world of idolatry, a world in which women and slaves had no rights whatsoever, a world in which men would cheat each other for a few dirhams.

However Muharnmed, upon whom be peace, was not like those around him. He was not known to swear or talk in a vile manner, nor was he known to drink or gamble. His honesty surpassed that of all others and he was known with the title of al-Amin (the trustworthy). In fact it was this quality of honesty which attracted so many people to his noble message.

The nature of the Arabs at the time of Muhammad, peace be upon him, was very barbaric and they would fight over the smallest of things, such as one tribes camel grazing on the land of another tribe. This would often result in wars which would last for years and take thousands of lives. In the year 605 CE the Kaabah was accidentally burnt down and a massive reconstruction programme had to be initiated. Many people were involved in it's rebuilding. However, upon its completion, the issue of replacing the black stone in its original place, the south east corner of the Kaabah, arose. Each of the major tribes and clans wanted the honour of placing the black stone in its proper place. Civil war loomed over the Arabian peninsula. It was then suggested by Abu Ummayah al-Mughira, one of the elders of Makkah, that the way to settle this dispute was to let the first person to come through the masjid gate the next morning, decide the fate of the matter. Lo and behold the first man to enter the masjid the next morning was indeed Muhammad. Upon seeing him some of the Arabs exclaimed with joy, "Here is the trustworthy one, we shall agree to his decision - he is Muhammad". Muhammad, peace be upon him, asked for a sheet or a robe to be brought to him and to have the black stone placed in the middle of it. He then asked the elders of each of the major tribes to lift up the sheet from each of the corners. The elders did as they were instructed and took the black stone over to the south east corner. Muhammad, peace be upon him, then took the stone and placed it firmly in its resting place And so it was Muhammad, upon him be peace, who with wisdom and honesty saved the Arabs from self-destruction. [The History of Islam and the Muslims, Iqbal Mohammed, vol 1 pp. 163-166]

Muhammad's early life was wrought with unhappiness as he never saw his father Abdullah who died before he was born. At the age of six his mother, Amina passed away and he was entrusted into the care of his beloved grandfather Abdul-Muttalib. However, at the age of twelve, Abdul-Muttalib also passed away and Abu Talib, the uncle of Muhammad, peace be upon him, took charge of him. With such distress and heartache so early on in life, one would imagine that this boy would grow up to be rebellious and troublesome, as is the case in so many of our societies today. But this was obviously not to be.

It was Abu Talib who then reared and brought him up. Abu Talib was a trader and businessman and he sometimes took his nephew along with him on his trade journeys. It was these trade journeys which eventually formed the alliance between Muhammad and his future wife Khadija, may Allah be pleased with her. Khadija was a wealthy widow from Makkah who was known for her noble character and morals. Soon Muhammad, peace be upon him, was working for Khadija as a manager for her trade caravans. It was his honesty and efficiency which led to Khadija's proposal, and soon after Muhammad had returned from a trade journey to Syria, they were married.

It was in the year 610 CE that the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, received the first revelation. It was the practice of Muhammad, upon whom be peace, that he would often go up to the cave of Hira to meditate and pray to Allah alone. One night during the month of Ramadan while he was meditating, an angel appeared before him. This was the angel Jibril (Gabriel), the very same angel who had brought down revelation to the earlier prophets of Allah such as Jesus and Moses, upon whom both be peace. ln a thundering voice the angel commanded him "Read". "I cannot read", replied Muhammad honestly. The angel grabbed hold of him and squeezed him so hard that Muhammad thought he would die of suffocation. "Read", the angel commanded again. Muhammad's reply was the same. So the angel squeezed him again and again, each time harder than the previous, and Muhammad replied the same, each time thinking that he would die of suffocation. The angel then released him and spoke the words which would be remembered as the first words of the final revelation to mankind:

    "Read! In the name of you Lord who created; Created man from a clinging clot. Read! Your Lord is the Most Generous, Who taught by the pen. Taught man what he did not know." [Al-Qur'an 96:1-5]

This was the start of the revelation from Allah to humanity. It was the final incorruptible message by which mankind would have to live by and worship according to. And it was Muhammad, the son of Abdullah who was chosen to spread this good news.

His Noble Character

It is the character of the Prophet Muhammad which was one of the main reasons for the spread of his noble message. As mentioned before, he never swore and he never spoke vilely about anyone. But after his appointment as a prophet of Allah, he not only observed these excellent qualities for himself, but also ordered all the Muslims to live their lives according to these noble traits. This is why we find that lying and cheating are totally forbidden in Islam, and about lying the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

    "Lying leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to the fire of hell." [Recorded in Sahih Muslim]

For the Arabs to stop cheating and lying it would mean that the whole of their lives would have to be turned upside down. Cheating and lying during business transactions was a regular practice for the Arabs, and it was from this behaviour that the racist slogan "you cheating Arab!" was derived. Backbiting and slandering one another were totally forbidden and the Prophet was instructed by Allah to inform the people that backbiting another Muslim was like eating:

    " ... the flesh of your dead brother." [Al-Qur'an 49:12]
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Reply #22 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:19pm
 
Muhammad, peace be upon him, was known to laugh very little, if at all. Rather when he was happy he would express his delight by smiling and he is reported to have said:

    "Too much laughter kills the heart." [Reported by at-Tirmidhi and Ahmad]

Likewise when he was angry, he would not fly off the handle or start a tantrum, but rather the complexion of his face would simply turn red.

The generosity of Muhammad, peace be upon him, was so great that one of his companions, Ibn Abbas described his huge generosity as being like "the blowing wind." [Recorded in Sahih Muslim] To give charity during those days was outdated and those who gave charity were very rare in that troublesome society. But the trends of society were nothing to this man, who simply wished to attain the pleasure of Allah by helping those who were less fortunate then himself. In fact his giving of charity often meant that he had to sacrifice the pleasures of life for himself and his family. His wife Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, reported that "three consecutive days would not go by without the family of Muhammad not eating their fill." [Recorded in al-Bukhari]

The relationship between Muhammad, peace be upon him, and women has been subject to vicious attack by many western writers. He has been accused of being sexually immoral and depraved by his enemies. Many a feminist has accused him of depriving women of their rights. Yet the reality of this man is unknown to many of these ignorant people. When Muhammad, upon whom be peace, left the cave of Hira, trembling and shaking like a leaf, who was the first person that this alleged male chauvinist turned to? When spreading the message of Islam who was the first person to respond to this so called patriarchal religion? The answer is Khadija, his wife, a woman. It was Khadija who comforted him during these initial days of anxiety. It was Khadija who reassured him of his role by accepting his message. And it was Khadija who gained so much respect and admiration from this remarkable man.

Pre-Islamic Arabia was characterised by the evil crime of burying baby girls alive because they were seen as a shame to the family. Yet it was this man Muhammad who spoke out vehemently against this great social crime. In fact he stated the great blessing and reward of having and rearing female children:

    "Whomsoever brings up two girls upon this religion, then me and him shall be like this in paradise [and he joined his forefinger with his middle finger]." [Recorded in Sahih Muslim]

His conduct with women was not like that of the men today, rather he treated the women as they deserved to be treated. He did not openly parade women about like cattle (for example, in pre-Islamic Arabia women were subjected to intolerable humiliation, and they were often paraded naked during the festivals which were held by the pagan Arabs), as was done before the coming of Islam nor did he seek to please them by showing off his masculinity. Rather he as described as being "more shy than a virgin behind a veil." [Recorded in Sahih Muslim] For a man who achieved so much in his lifetime it would be expected (by corrupt western standards!) that Muhammad would abuse his power with regards to women. Yet we do not find a single instance in his life in which he went out raping and destroying the honour of the women folk who were captured. Rather it was the women of Arabia who came forward in their droves to accept the message of this man, who came to liberate humanity from the oppression of this world. Despite the constant barrage of distortion against Islam, it is a fact that more then 70% of those people who become Muslim in the west, are women.

By the time of his death in the year 632 CE almost the whole of the Arabian peninsula had been conquered. A million square miles lay at his feet. Yet such was the humble nature of this man that he would mend his own shoes, sew his own clothes and milk his own goats. Such behaviour has become awe inspiring for millions of people and has thus led them to the beauty of this religion. As a leader for his people he was a great example of humility and mercy. When his companions walked past his house they could hear him crying in his prayer, so much so that it was like a "boiling pot." [Reported by Abu Dawud] He would continuously pray during the nights to such an extent that his feet would swell up. Upon observing this his wife Aishaasked him, "Why do you pray so much, when your Lord has forgiven your past sins and your future sins?", and the reply from the Prophet, peace be upon him, was:

    "Should I therefore not be a grateful servant of my Lord?" [Recorded in al-Bukhari]

The famous conquest of Makkah is an event which shall be remembered for the justice and mercy which were shown that day. Even though he had the option to punish those who were guilty of oppressing the Muslims, Muhammad, peace be upon him, issued a general amnesty by which many people were forgiven. It was this behaviour which saw the amazing acceptance of Islam by almost the whole population of Makkah literally overnight. How different is this behaviour from that of the non-Muslim conquerors such as the crusaders, who upon the conquest of Jerusalem; raped, looted and burnt their way to success.

With leadership and conquest comes fame but fame did not affect this man whose only aim was to establish the religion of Allah on earth. His position as a messenger of Allah was not exaggerated. His insistence on being a mere mortal like others was firm. And his desire to single out Allah alone for worship was stressed wholeheartedly. It is for this reason that he ordered his followers not to make any pictorial representations or statues of him. Before his death he condemned the "Jews and Christians for taking the graves of their prophets and pious people as places of worship" [Recorded in al-Bukhari]. By implication this made it prohibited for the Muslims to take the grave of Muhammad, upon whom be peace, as a place of worship. For all those who call the Muslims 'Muhammadans', then this is the response which we as worshippers of Allah bring forward. Throughout history leaders of nations, ideologies and empires have often ended up becoming objects of worship. We find statues and pictures of Marx, Lenin, Caesar, Jesus, St Paul, Hitler, Napoleon, Confucius and so many others. Yet despite all the reminders of these people, it is still this man Muhammad, peace be upon him, who has had the most influence upon history, despite the fact that we find no 3-D visual image of him*. This is indeed a mercy from Allah.

The world of the 7th century was a crumbling place. The empires of Rome and Persia were locked in constant battle. The Chinese and Indian civilisations were in moral decline. Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Judaism were all religions which were fast losing momentum. The case of the Arabs was clear to everyone and they were regarded as being at the bottom of this decaying pit. It was among this decadence that Allah sent Muhammad, peace be upon him. He was like the light to this world of ignorance. Like a lamp did he shine in this abyss of darkness. From the confines of Arabia it was his light that would reach the farthest regions of the earth and release the people from their burdens:

    "O Prophet! We have sent you as a witness and a bringer of good news and a warner. And as a summoner to Allah by His Permission, and as a lamp that gives light." [Al-Qur'an 33:45-46]

"Be thankful for small mercies" goes the saying of old. But the mercy which we have been given is far from small. Rather the greatness of this mercy will enable us to live and die upon a way of success and contentment. This mercy is the way of the Prophet Muhammad and through it we, by the will of Allah, will enjoy an everlasting life to come.

    "In the messenger of Allah you have a good example for him who hopes in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much." [Al-Qur'an 33:21]

* This fact has even been attested to by Christians, such as Professor Michael Hart in his book, The 100: The Most Influential Men in History. Despite the fact that Professor Hart casts doubt upon the source of the Prophet's Law, he still cannot help but admit that this man exercised more influence on humanity then anyone else. It is for this reason that he places Muhammad in the No.1 position, even ahead of his Lord Jesus, whom he places 3rd just behind St Paul.
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Prophet Mohammed (saw) and Forbearance [Story of convert to Islam]


Prophet Mohammed (saw) and ForbearanceHistory reveals that Abdullah ibn Salaam was Jewish before he embraced Islam in the time of Prophet Mohammed (saw). After becoming a Muslim, Abdullah ibn Salaam tried to convince Zaid ibn Sa'nah, a Jewish friend, to accept the religion of Islam. Despite Abdullah ibn Salaam's effort in explaining the essence of Islam, Zaid ibn Sa'nah insisted in his faith, Judaism, and he refused to become a Muslim.

Abdullah ibn Salaam narrates that one day he entered Masjid al-Nabi (the Prophet's Mosque in Madinah) where he saw Zaid ibn Sa'nah sitting among Muslims in line for performing prayer. Abdullah ibn Salaam said "being overcome with joy, I approached Zaid ibn Sa'nah to inquire the reason why he accepted Islam." Zaid ibn Sa'nah responded "one day while I was reading the Torah, I reached the verses that explain the attributes of Prophet Mohammed (saw). I paid a close attention to capture his characteristics described in Torah. I said to myself it is better that I sit in Prophet Mohammed's (saw) presence to see if he possesses these attributes, among which there was forbearance. I observed his behaviors and choice of words for several days and I found all the attributes in his personality. There was only one left unseen, forbearance; so I attempted to continue my quest for I read in Torah that, "Mohammed's forbearance and patience supersedes his anger. Although ignorant people treat him with disrespect and bad manner, they will not see anything in return from him except forbearance and patience."

Zaid ibn Sa'nah continued "following my search I went to the Mosque again. I saw a Bedouin Arab man from desert while riding his camel entered the Mosque. He got off his camel when he saw Prophet Mohammed (saw) and said that he was from some tribe who were struck by famine and therefore they were in need of food and sustenance. He said that the people of the tribes were Muslims and they hoped for help from Prophet Mohammed (saw). Prophet Mohammed (saw) turned to Imam Ali (as) and asked, "Is there any money left from the previous savings?" The response was negative and sad for Prophet Mohammed (saw)." Zaid ibn Sa'nah said, "I then interfered and mentioned to Prophet Mohammed (saw), O the Messenger of God, if you wish I would participate in a trade with you. I lend you some amount of money until the time of harvest when I will accept dates for the same amount in return. Prophet Mohammed (saw) received my offer and the trade, accepted the money and gave it to the Bedouin Arab."

Zaid ibn Sa'nah said "I was waiting until a week before the harvest. One day I went to the desert where I found Prophet Mohammed (saw) sitting in the shade of a tree, surrounded by his companions (Sahabah). I approached him impolitely, grab his collar and told him, "I know you well, you take money from people and fall short in return. Do you know there is not much left to our mutually agreed time mentioned in our trade?"

Umar ibn al-KhattabZaid ibn Sa'nah proceeded, "I treated Prophet Mohammed (saw) furiously with great ignorance, although there was still a week left to the harvest. Suddenly I heard an aggressive voice; Umar ibn al-Khattab drew his sword and asked me to leave with a rude call. Prophet Mohammed (saw) prevented him with patience and said to him there was no need for quarrel. Prophet Mohammed (saw) said I should be recommended to maintain forbearance. Then he asked Umar ibn al-Khattab to give me certain amount of special dates. Umar ibn al-Khattab followed the order and added 20 extra units of dates to the original amount. I was curious why he gave me extra dates; Umar ibn al-Khattab said that the extra dates were the result of Prophet Mohammed's (saw) forbearance. Since I suffered from Umar ibn al-Khattab's anger, Prophet Mohammed (saw) ordered him to add 20 extra units to the original amount, so that I would be satisfied.

After seeing such manner and great forbearance and patience, I have fallen in love with Islam and Prophet Mohammed's (saw) behavior. I have embraced Islam by testifying that Allah (SWT) is one and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah (SWT)."

There exist hundred of such examples in the lifestyle of Prophet Mohammed (saw), each is just a drop from the great ocean of his manners to which Almighty Allah (SWT) refers as sublime manners in Noble Qur'an "And most surely you conform (yourself) to sublime morality." (Noble Qur'an, 68:4) Also Noble Qur'an says: "Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much." (Noble Qur'an, 33:21) Prophet Mohammed (saw) proclaimed, "I have not been sent except to perfect noble character" indeed this is one of underlying reasons why Islam is growing fast.


Prophet Mohammed (saw) and the Youth [Story of convert to Islam]

Prophet Mohammed (saw) and the YouthOne day a youth approached Prophet Mohammed (saw) and with utmost disrespect and discourtesy, said: "O' Prophet of Allah! Do you permit me to commit fornication?"

These words created a great uproar amongst the people and objections could be heard from every nook and corner. Prophet Mohammed (saw), exhibiting sublime ethics and speaking with absolute gentleness, said: "Come near." The youth stepped forward and sat down beside him (saw), whereupon Prophet Mohammed (saw) asked: "Would you like someone to commit the act with your mother?" The youth replied: "May I be made your ransom, never!" Prophet Mohammed (saw) said: "Similarly the (other) people too do not approve of this with respect to their daughters."

Prophet Mohammed (saw) continued: "Tell me: Would you approve of this act for your sister?" Once again the youth denied (and repented having asked the question).

Prophet Mohammed (saw) placed his hands upon the youth's chest and prayed for him, saying: "O' Lord! Purify his heart, forgive his sins and protect him from the pollution of depravity." From then onwards fornication became the worst of the deeds in the eyes of the youth.


Prophet Mohammed (saw): Kindness and forgiveness [Story of convert to Islam]


Prophet Mohammed (saw): Kindness and forgivenessMore than 1400 years ago in Arabia the people were living very much in fear. They feared their neighbors. They feared other tribes. They even feared their idols. For this was the time before Islam. The Arabs were worshipping idols. In their ignorance they would bury their newly born daughters alive. As Islam began to spread among Arabs such cruel practices stopped. Islam taught love and peace. It taught respect, kindness and forgiveness.

Prophet Mohammed (saw) himself was a very kind and loving person. Prophet Mohammed (saw) treated every one, young and old, with respect and kindness, because Prophet Mohammed (saw) was spreading the word of Allah (SWT). And he was changing, for better, the lives of many Arabs and because some Arabs felt that by the teaching of Prophet Mohammed (saw) their old idols were losing power they disliked Prophet Mohammed (saw) and planned to kill him. Every time they tried to kill him, they failed. This angered the enemies of Islam even more. So they began to harass him in every way they knew.

One old woman made a habit of throwing rubbish on Prophet Mohammed (saw) whenever he passed from her house. Prophet Mohammed (saw) had to pass that house daily on the way to the mosque. Even when the old woman threw rubbish on him, he would pass silently without showing any anger or annoyance. This was a regular, daily event.

One day when Prophet Mohammed (saw) was passing by the woman was not there to throw the rubbish. Prophet Mohammed (saw) stopped and asked the neighbor about her well-being. The neighbor informed Prophet Mohammed (saw) that the woman was sick and laying on the bed. Prophet Mohammed (saw) politely asked permission to visit the old woman. When allowed he entered the house, the old woman thought that he had come there to take his revenge when she was unable to defend herself because of her sickness. But Prophet Mohammed (saw) assured her that he had come to her, not to take any revenge, but to see her and to look after her needs, as it was the command of Allah (SWT) that if any one is sick, a Muslim should visit him and should help him if his help is needed.

The old woman was greatly moved by this love and kindness of Prophet Mohammed (saw). By the example of greatness of Prophet Mohammed (saw), she understood that he was truly the Messenger of Allah (SWT) and Islam was the true religion. She accepted Islam at once by reading the Shahadah (La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool Allah, There is no god only Allah, Muhammad is the Rasool (Messenger) of Allah).
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Prophet Mohammed (saw) and Adi, son of Hatim (Adi ibn Hatim) [Story of convert to Islam]

There is no god only Allah, Muhammad is the Rasool (Messenger) of AllahBefore the advent of Islam, there were in Arabia autonomous tribal chiefs. The people were used to the rule of their chiefs and obeyed them; and often paid them tributes and taxes. The well-known generous Hatim, of the tribe of Tai, was one of the tribal chiefs of Arabia (Yemen). His son, Adi, succeeded him after his death and the tribe submitted to his rule. He was taxing them to the extent of one-fourth of their income every year. His lordship coincided with the advent of Prophet Mohammed (saw). The Tai tribes were idol-worshipers, but himself was a Christian, but kept his beliefs secret from his people. The people, after being acquainted with the liberal teachings of Islam, felt themselves relieved from the burden of their lords who had hitherto imposed their rule upon the people. Owing to this fact, Adi, like other lords used to look upon Islam as the greatest danger for himself; and was harboring enmity against Prophet Mohammed (saw). But the die was cast. People were embracing Islam in increasingly large numbers; and the religion of Allah (SWT) was advancing day by day. He knew that the day was near when the Muslims would come looking for him also, and that would be the end of his lordship. He therefore, instructed his special steward, a slave, to always keep strong and light-footed camels ready near his camp and to remain watchful.

One day the slave came to him and said, "Make whatever arrangements you want to make as the Muslims are very close". Adi mounted his family on the camels and took whatever valuables and luggage he could take, and escaped to Damascus (Syria) where the people were of his religion. But in the confusion, he forgot to take his sister, Saffana with him; and she was left behind.

The Muslims defeated the tribe of Tai in the battle; and some were made captives. Muslims brought Saffana, the sister of Adi ibn Hatim to Medina along with other captives and related the story of Adi ibn Hatim's escapade to Prophet Mohammed (saw).

The prisoners were sheltered in a low walled compound near the Mosque. One day, Prophet Mohammed (saw), while going to the Mosque passed beside the enclosure. Saffana, intelligent and talkative as she was, moved from her place and said:

"My father is dead; my guardian is hiding; be generous to me, Allah will be generous to you".

Prophet Mohammed (saw): "Who is your guardian?"

"Adi, son of Hatim"

"The one who has run away from Allah (SWT) and His Prophet Mohammed (saw)?"

Saying these words Prophet Mohammed (saw) went away, Next day again she repeated the same words, heard the same reply. Her plea produced no result. The third day, having lost her hopes, Saffana decided to keep silent. But a young man walking behind Prophet Mohammed (saw) made signs to her to repeat her demand. She repeated the same words. Prophet Mohammed (saw) said, "Very well, I am waiting for some reliable man from your tribe. As soon as such a man is found I shall send you with him to your tribe. Inform me if you find such a person who has come to Medinah".

Saffana asked the people who was the young man walking behind Prophet Mohammed (saw) who had encouraged her to repeat her demand? They said he was Imam Ali (as).

Prophet Mohammed (saw) and Adi, son of Hatim (Adi ibn Hatim)After some time, Saffana informed Prophet Mohammed (saw) that some men of her tribe had come to Medinah. Prophet Mohammed (saw) gave her a new dress, some cash for meeting the expense of the journey and a camel to ride on. She went along with them to her brother, Adi ibn Hatim in Damascus (Syria).

When Saffana saw her brother, she reproached him and said, "You brought out your wife and children forgot me the memory of your father!" Adi ibn Hatim apologized to her. Then, as she was an intelligent woman, Adi ibn Hatim consulted her about his plan. He asked: "What do you advise me to do, since you have seen Prophet Mohammed (saw) from near? Should I join him or keep aloof from him?"

"I believe you should join him. If he is a Prophet of Allah (SWT) it will be a credit to your honor and nobleness. And if he is not a Prophet, and only wants to be a worldly ruler, then in a place (Medinah) which is not far from Yemen (your place), nobody will dare to dishonor you, because of the honor and respect you have among the people of Yemen. Either way, your honor is guaranteed".

The idea appealed to Adi ibn Hatim. He decided to go Medinah and to observe Prophet Mohammed's (saw) manners minutely. If he was a Prophet, he would follow him like other Muslims. But in case he was only a man with worldly ambitions of power and pelf, then he would cooperate with him to the extent of the common benefits of both.

He entered the Mosque of Medinah and saluted to Prophet Mohammed (saw). Prophet Mohammed (saw) accorded him due respect and took him to his house.

On their way a haggard woman caught hold of the garment of Prophet Mohammed (saw) and entered into a discussion with him. A long time passed; and Prophet Mohammed (saw) answered all her questions with kindness and patience.

Adi ibn Hatim said to himself, "This is the one sign from the character of this man that he is a Prophet. People having worldly ambitions do not have such a disposition and temperament of replying to a poor old woman with so much patience and kindness."

When they entered the house Adi ibn Hatim found his life most simple and unpretentious. There was only a quilt, which Prophet Mohammed (saw) used to sit upon, but now he spread it for Adi ibn Hatim to sit. Adi ibn Hatim insisted that Prophet Mohammed (saw) should sit upon the quilt; but he flatly refused. Ultimately, Adi ibn Hatim sat upon the quilt and Prophet Mohammed (saw) sat on the ground. Adi ibn Hatim said to himself, "This is the second sign of the character of this man, This is the character of the Prophets."

Prophet Mohammed (saw) turned to him and said, "But was not your religion Christianity?" Adi ibn Hatim said, "Yes, why?" Prophet Mohammed (saw) said, "Then why, and on what grounds, were you taking one-fourth of the income of your people? Is it not inadmissible in your religion?"

La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool AllahAdi ibn Hatim, who had kept his religion secret even from his closest relatives, was surprised to hear it from Prophet Mohammed (saw). He said to himself, "this is the third sign that this man is a Prophet".

Then Prophet Mohammed (saw) said: "You are looking at the present poverty and helplessness of the Muslims. You find that the Muslims today are living in distress. They are surrounded by crowds of enemies and have no security of their lives and properties. They have no power in their hands. By Allah (SWT), the time is not far when such a vast wealth will come to them that there will be no poor among them. By Allah (SWT), their enemies will be vanquished and there will exist such a perfect peace and order that a woman shall be able to travel from Iraq to Hijaz alone and nobody will trouble her. By Allah (SWT), the time is near when the white palaces of Babylonia will come under the hands of the Muslims".

Adi ibn Hatim embraced Islam (converts to Islam) with perfect Faith and Sincerity and remained faithful to the end of his life. He lived upon the years after Prophet Mohammed (saw). He always remembered the talks of Holy Prophet Mohammed (saw) in his first meeting with him, and the forecasts at that time, about the future of Muslims. He used to say, "By Allah (SWT), in my life-time I saw Muslim conquering the white palaces of Babylonia, and there is such a peace and order that a woman can travel from Iraq to Hijaz without anybody troubling her. By Allah (SWT), I am sure a day will come when there will be no poor among the Muslims".

(La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool Allah, There is no god only Allah, Muhammad is the Rasool (Messenger) of Allah). These are the words that a person says to enter the fold of Islam. Shahadah, or declaration of faith, is a covenant that the person makes with Allah (SWT): that he/she will continue to obey Allah (SWT), and walk in the footsteps of our Prophet Mohammed (saw). It is the first step to complete obedience to the Lord of all.
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Was Ayesha A Six-Year-Old Bride?


The Ancient Myth Exposed

by T.O. Shanavas
A Christian friend asked me once, “Will you marry your seven year old daughter to a fifty year old man?” I kept my silence. He continued, “If you would not, how can you approve the marriage of an innocent seven year old, Ayesha, with your Prophet?” I told him, “I don’t have an answer to your question at this time.” My friend smiled and left me with a thorn in the heart of my faith. Most Muslims answer that such marriages were accepted in those days. Otherwise, people would have objected to Prophet’s marriage with Ayesha.

However, such an explanation would be gullible only for those who are naive enough to believe it. But unfortunately, I was not satisfied with the answer.

The Prophet was an exemplary man. All his actions were most virtuous so that we, Muslims, can emulate them. However, most people in our Islamic Center of Toledo, including me, would not think of betrothing our seven years daughter to a fifty-two year-old man. If a parent agrees to such a wedding, most people, if not all, would look down upon the father and the old husband.

In 1923, registrars of marriage in Egypt were instructed not to register and issue official certificates of marriage for brides less than sixteen and grooms less than eighteen years of age. Eight years later, the Law of the Organization and Procedure of Sheriah courts of 1931 consolidated the above provision by not hearing the marriage disputes involving brides less than sixteen and grooms less than eighteen years old. (Women in Muslim Family Law, John Esposito, 1982). It shows that even in the Muslim majority country of Egypt the child marriages are unacceptable.

So, I believed, without solid evidence other than my reverence to my Prophet, that the stories of the marriage of seven-year-old Ayesha to 50-year-old Prophet are only myths. However, my long pursuit in search of the truth on this matter proved my intuition correct. My Prophet was a gentleman. And he did not marry an innocent seven or nine year old girl. The age of Ayesha has been erroneously reported in the hadith literature. Furthermore, I think that the narratives reporting this event are highly unreliable. Some of the hadith (traditions of the Prophet) regarding Ayesha’s age at the time of her wedding with prophet are problematic. I present the following evidences against the acceptance of the fictitious story by Hisham ibn ‘Urwah and to clear the name of my Prophet as an irresponsible old man preying on an innocent little girl.

EVIDENCE #1: Reliability of Source

Most of the narratives printed in the books of hadith are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah, who was reporting on the authority of his father. First of all, more people than just one, two or three should logically have reported. It is strange that no one from Medina, where Hisham ibn `Urwah lived the first 71 years of his life narrated the event, despite the fact that his Medinan pupils included the well-respected Malik ibn Anas. The origins of the report of the narratives of this event are people from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have shifted after living in Medina for most of his life.

Tehzibu’l-Tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet, reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: “He [Hisham] is highly reliable, his narratives are acceptable, except what he narrated after moving over to Iraq” (Tehzi’bu’l-tehzi’b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala’ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, 15th century. Vol 11, p. 50).

It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people in Iraq: “I have been told that Malik objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq” (Tehzi’b u’l-tehzi’b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala’ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, Vol.11, p. 50).

Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, another book on the life sketches of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet reports: “When he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly” (Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, Al-Zahbi, Al-Maktabatu’l-athriyyah, Sheikhupura, Pakistan, Vol. 4, p. 301).

CONCLUSION: Based on these references, Hisham’s memory was failing and his narratives while in Iraq were unreliable. So, his narrative of Ayesha’s marriage and age are unreliable.

CHRONOLOGY: It is vital also to keep in mind some of the pertinent dates in the history of Islam:

    pre-610 CE: Jahiliya (pre-Islamic age) before revelation
    610 CE: First revelation
    610 CE: AbuBakr accepts Islam
    613 CE: Prophet Muhammad begins preaching publicly.
    615 CE: Emigration to Abyssinia
    616 CE: Umar bin al Khattab accepts Islam
    620 CE: Generally accepted betrothal of Ayesha to the Prophet
    622 CE: Hijrah (emigation to Yathrib, later renamed Medina)
    623/624 CE: Generally accepted year of Ayesha living with the Prophet

EVIDENCE #2: The Betrothal

According to Tabari (also according to Hisham ibn ‘Urwah, Ibn Hunbal and Ibn Sad), Ayesha was betrothed at seven years of age and began to cohabit with the Prophet at the age of nine years.

However, in another work, Al-Tabari says: “All four of his [Abu Bakr’s] children were born of his two wives during the pre-Islamic period” (Tarikhu’l-umam wa’l-mamlu’k, Al-Tabari (died 922), Vol. 4, p. 50, Arabic, Dara’l-fikr, Beirut, 1979).

If Ayesha was betrothed in 620 CE (at the age of seven) and started to live with the Prophet in 624 CE (at the age of nine), that would indicate that she was born in 613 CE and was nine when she began living with the Prophet. Therefore, based on one account of Al-Tabari, the numbers show that Ayesha must have born in 613 CE, three years after the beginning of revelation (610 CE). Tabari also states that Ayesha was born in the pre-Islamic era (in Jahiliya). If she was born before 610 CE, she would have been at least 14 years old when she began living with the Prophet. Essentially, Tabari contradicts himself.

CONCLUSION: Al-Tabari is unreliable in the matter of determining Ayesha’s age.

EVIDENCE # 3: The Age of Ayesha in Relation to the Age of Fatima

According to Ibn Hajar, “Fatima was born at the time the Ka`bah was rebuilt, when the Prophet was 35 years old... she was five years older that Ayesha” (Al-isabah fi tamyizi’l-sahabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Vol. 4, p. 377, Maktabatu’l-Riyadh al-haditha, al-Riyadh, 1978).

If Ibn Hajar’s statement is factual, Ayesha was born when the Prophet was 40 years old. If Ayesha was married to the Prophet when he was 52 years old, Ayesha’s age at marriage would be 12 years.

CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar, Tabari an Ibn Hisham and Ibn Humbal contradict each other. So, the marriage of Ayesha at seven years of age is a myth.

EVIDENCE #4: Ayesha’s Age in relation to Asma’s Age

According to Abda’l-Rahman ibn abi zanna’d: “Asma was 10 years older than Ayesha (Siyar A`la’ma’l-nubala’, Al-Zahabi, Vol. 2, p. 289, Arabic, Mu’assasatu’l-risalah, Beirut, 1992).

According to Ibn Kathir: “She [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by 10 years” (Al-Bidayah wa’l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 371, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933).

According to Ibn Kathir: “She [Asma] saw the killing of her son during that year [73 AH], as we have already mentioned, and five days later she herself died. According to other narratives, she died not after five days but 10 or 20, or a few days over 20, or 100 days later. The most well known narrative is that of 100 days later. At the time of her death, she was 100 years old.” (Al-Bidayah wa’l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 372, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933)

According to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani: “She [Asma] lived a hundred years and died in 73 or 74 AH.” (Taqribu’l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, p. 654, Arabic, Bab fi’l-nisa’, al-harfu’l-alif, Lucknow).

According to almost all the historians, Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was 10 years older than Ayesha. If Asma was 100 years old in 73 AH, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of the hijrah.

If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old. Thus, Ayesha, being 17 or 18 years of at the time of Hijra, she started to cohabit with the Prophet between at either 19 to 20 years of age.

Based on Hajar, Ibn Katir, and Abda’l-Rahman ibn abi zanna’d, Ayesha’s age at the time she began living with the Prophet would be 19 or 20. In Evidence # 3, Ibn Hajar suggests that Ayesha was 12 years old and in Evidence #4 he contradicts himself with a 17 or 18-year-old Ayesha. What is the correct age, twelve or eighteen?

CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar is an unreliable source for Ayesha’s age.
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EVIDENCE #5: The Battles of Badr and Uhud

A narrative regarding Ayesha’s participation in Badr is given in the hadith of Muslim, (Kitabu’l-jihad wa’l-siyar, Bab karahiyati’l-isti`anah fi’l-ghazwi bikafir). Ayesha, while narrating the journey to Badr and one of the important events that took place in that journey, says: “when we reached Shajarah”. Obviously, Ayesha was with the group travelling towards Badr. A narrative regarding Ayesha’s participation in the Battle of Uhud is given in Bukhari (Kitabu’l-jihad wa’l-siyar, Bab Ghazwi’l-nisa’ wa qitalihinna ma`a’lrijal): “Anas reports that on the day of Uhud, people could not stand their ground around the Prophet. [On that day,] I saw Ayesha and Umm-i-Sulaim, they had pulled their dress up from their feet [to avoid any hindrance in their movement].” Again, this indicates that Ayesha was present in the Battles of Uhud and Badr.

It is narrated in Bukhari (Kitabu’l-maghazi, Bab Ghazwati’l-khandaq wa hiya’l-ahza’b): “Ibn `Umar states that the Prophet did not permit me to participate in Uhud, as at that time, I was 14 years old. But on the day of Khandaq, when I was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation.”

Based on the above narratives, (a) the children below 15 years were sent back and were not allowed to participate in the Battle of Uhud, and (b) Ayesha participated in the Battles of Badr and Uhud

CONCLUSION: Ayesha’s participation in the Battles of Badr and Uhud clearly indicates that she was not nine years old but at least 15 years old. After all, women used to accompany men to the battlefields to help them, not to be a burden on them. This account is another contradiction regarding Ayesha’s age.

EVIDENCE #6: Surat al-Qamar (The Moon)

According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha was born about eight years before hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari, Ayesha is reported to have said: “I was a young girl (jariyah in Arabic)” when Surah Al-Qamar was revealed (Sahih Bukhari, kitabu’l-tafsir, Bab Qaulihi Bal al-sa`atu Maw`iduhum wa’l-sa`atu adha’ wa amarr).

Chapter 54 of the Quran was revealed eight years before hijrah (The Bounteous Koran, M.M. Khatib, 1985), indicating that it was revealed in 614 CE. If Ayesha started living with the Prophet at the age of nine in 623 CE or 624 CE, she was a newborn infant (sibyah in Arabic) at the time that Surah Al-Qamar (The Moon) was revealed. According to the above tradition, Ayesha was actually a young girl, not an infant in the year of revelation of Al-Qamar. Jariyah means young playful girl (Lane’s Arabic English Lexicon). So, Ayesha, being a jariyah not a sibyah (infant), must be somewhere between 6-13 years old at the time of revelation of Al-Qamar, and therefore must have been 14-21 years at the time she married the Prophet.

CONCLUSION: This tradition also contradicts the marriage of Ayesha at the age of nine.

EVIDENCE #7: Arabic Terminology

According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of the Prophet’s first wife Khadijah, when Khaulah came to the Prophet advising him to marry again, the Prophet asked her regarding the choices she had in mind. Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)”. When the Prophet asked the identity of the bikr (virgin), Khaulah mentioned Ayesha’s name.

All those who know the Arabic language are aware that the word bikr in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine-year-old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier, is jariyah. Bikr on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady without conjugal experience prior to marriage, as we understand the word “virgin” in English. Therefore, obviously a nine-year-old girl is not a “lady” (bikr) (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 6, p. .210, Arabic, Dar Ihya al-turath al-`arabi, Beirut).

CONCLUSION: The literal meaning of the word, bikr (virgin), in the above hadith is “adult woman with no sexual experience prior to marriage.” Therefore, Ayesha was an adult woman at the time of her marriage.

EVIDENCE #8. The Qur’anic Text

All Muslims agree that the Quran is the book of guidance. So, we need to seek the guidance from the Quran to clear the smoke and confusion created by the eminent men of the classical period of Islam in the matter of Ayesha’s age at her marriage. Does the Quran allow or disallow marriage of an immature child of seven years of age?

There are no verses that explicitly allow such marriage. There is a verse, however, that guides Muslims in their duty to raise an orphaned child. The Quran’s guidance on the topic of raising orphans is also valid in the case of our own children. The verse states: “And make not over your property (property of the orphan), which Allah had made a (means of) support for you, to the weak of understanding, and maintain them out of it, clothe them and give them good education. And test them until they reach the age of marriage. Then if you find them maturity of intellect, make over them their property...” (Quran, 4:5-6).

In the matter of children who have lost a parent, a Muslim is ordered to (a) feed them, (b) clothe them, (c) educate them, and (d) test them for maturity “until the age of marriage” before entrusting them with management of finances.

Here the Quranic verse demands meticulous proof of their intellectual and physical maturity by objective test results before the age of marriage in order to entrust their property to them.

In light of the above verses, no responsible Muslim would hand over financial management to a seven- or nine-year-old immature girl. If we cannot trust a seven-year-old to manage financial matters, she cannot be intellectually or physically fit for marriage. Ibn Hambal (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hambal, vol.6, p. 33 and 99) claims that nine-year-old Ayesha was rather more interested in playing with toy-horses than taking up the responsible task of a wife. It is difficult to believe, therefore, that AbuBakr, a great believer among Muslims, would betroth his immature seven-year-old daughter to the 50-year-old Prophet. Equally difficult to imagine is that the Prophet would marry an immature seven-year-old girl.

Another important duty demanded from the guardian of a child is to educate them. Let us ask the question, “How many of us believe that we can educate our children satisfactorily before they reach the age of seven or nine years?” The answer is none. Logically, it is an impossible task to educate a child satisfactorily before the child attains the age of seven. Then, how can we believe that Ayesha was educated satisfactorily at the claimed age of seven at the time of her marriage?

AbuBakr was a more judicious man than all of us. So, he definitely would have judged that Ayesha was a child at heart and was not satisfactorily educated as demanded by the Quran. He would not have married her to anyone. If a proposal of marrying the immature and yet to be educated seven-year-old Ayesha came to the Prophet, he would have rejected it outright because neither the Prophet nor AbuBakr would violate any clause in the Quran.

CONCLUSION: The marriage of Ayesha at the age of seven years would violate the maturity clause or requirement of the Quran. Therefore, the story of the marriage of the seven-year-old immature Ayesha is a myth.

EVIDENCE #9: Consent in Marriage

A women must be consulted and must agree in order to make a marriage valid (Mishakat al Masabiah, translation by James Robson, Vol. I, p. 665). Islamically, credible permission from women is a prerequisite for a marriage to be valid.

By any stretch of the imagination, the permission given by an immature seven-year-old girl cannot be valid authorization for marriage.

It is inconceivable that AbuBakr, an intelligent man, would take seriously the permission of a seven-year-old girl to marry a 50-year-old man.

Similarly, the Prophet would not have accepted the permission given by a girl who, according to the hadith of Muslim, took her toys with her when she went live with Prophet.

CONCLUSION: The Prophet did not marry a seven-year-old Ayesha because it would have violated the requirement of the valid permission clause of the Islamic Marriage Decree. Therefore, the Prophet married an intellectually and physically mature lady Ayesha.

SUMMARY:

It was neither an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as seven or nine years, nor did the Prophet marry Ayesha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated.

Obviously, the narrative of the marriage of nine-year-old Ayesha by Hisham ibn `Urwah cannot be held true when it is contradicted by many other reported narratives. Moreover, there is absolutely no reason to accept the narrative of Hisham ibn `Urwah as true when other scholars, including Malik ibn Anas, view his narrative while in Iraq, as unreliable. The quotations from Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim show they contradict each other regarding Ayesha’s age. Furthermore, many of these scholars contradict themselves in their own records. Thus, the narrative of Ayesha’s age at the time of the marriage is not reliable due to the clear contradictions seen in the works of classical scholars of Islam.

Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the information on Ayesha’s age is accepted as true when there are adequate grounds to reject it as myth. Moreover, the Quran rejects the marriage of immature girls and boys as well as entrusting them with responsibilities.

T.O. Shanavas is a physician based in Michigan. This article first appeared in The Minaret in March 1999.

© 2001 Minaret

Extracted 09/06/02 from The Minaret



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Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Reply #27 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:54pm
 
TrueISLAM,

You hateful, hateful person.







TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm:

You are a real hypocryte and a lier i have ever heard you have fabricated narations from hadit guve me qutoes and reference no of which hadiths it says that in about the companions and the prophet doing indecencies with other women, this is utterly against islam you are teaching the fale image of Islam you are a radicalised jew zionist, your propaganda is hate agains islam,



= = More moslem lies.






AGAIN.....
Here is an account of the deeds of ISLAM's 'prophet' , from the Hadith;

Mohammed and his companions went on a raiding party.
'and took captive some excellent Arab women', 'and we desired them',
'for we were suffering from the absence of our wives',
'So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them'  [i.e. have non-consensual sex with their captive 'excellent Arab women']
'(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them.' [i.e. Mohammed's companions intended to sell their captive 'excellent Arab women' back to their menfolk]



Those being the circumstances, Mohammed's companions enquired of Mohammed this;

'what do you think about coitus interruptus?'


[i.e. Mohammed's companions wanted to know if Mohammed approved of coitus interruptus, as a method of contraception.

Because Mohammed's companions feared that if the 'excellent Arab women' became pregnant, then their menfolk may not ransom back their women [n.b. what was foremost upon the minds of Mohammed's companions was MONEY!...

...They were desirous, not to endanger their ransom MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! ] ]

Mohammed replied;
'Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it [coitus interruptus],' because Allah alone would determine if the women would become pregnant.


THIS ACCOUNT [OF NON CONSENSUAL SEX BY MOHAMMED AND HIS COMPANIONS] IS SOURCED FROM ISLAMIC TEXTS - THE HADITH

These ISLAMIC texts [along with the Koran] guide moslems in their daily conduct, in following their faith.

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/008-smt.php#008.3371
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muwatta/029-mmt.php#029.29.32.95
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/muwatta/036-mmt.php#036.36.23.24
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/077-sbt.php#008.077.600
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/046-sbt.php#003.046.718
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/059-sbt.php#005.059.459



Those links [immediately above] are to authorised ISLAMIC Hadith texts.

I didn't authorise those ISLAMIC Hadith texts.

The MSA, the Moslem Students Association of America, authorised those ISLAMIC Hadith texts.
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TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm:

TRUE ISLAM you want to see it type in google video Highlights of Dawateislami Work Around the World. Dawateislami in pakistan is propagating the true image of Islam these salafi wahabi leaders have tried everything to cause hard to this group but have not succeeded by the grace of God Dawateislamis high religious leaders are being protected by government officials are assasinantion attempts ave beenn made on their life by the wahabis, because the dawateislami is reviving the true image of islam which is peace and love ou go to any dawateislai brother tith a green turban wheter you are a non believer or not they will treat you with utmost respect.



= = Moslems murdering moslems.

= = The fruit of 'the peace of ISLAM'.

= = The fruit of ISLAM, is violence, corruption, AND DEAD BODIES.




And as per usual, moslems blame everyone else, for the consequences of the choices of,  ........moslems.

And as per usual, moslems REFUSE to accept responsibility, THEMSELVES, for the consequences of their own choices.
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TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm:

a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law is sharia law what do you do to criminals who steal murder just lock them up Islam teaches peace and harmony why the sharia law is harsh on criminals so that other people can take heed and not to follow their footsteps, but nowardays sharia law has been put in the hand of hard harted extremists, who have n right to implement it without the sharia court approving of it whereerver in the world.




= = Moslems murdering moslems.

= = The fruit of 'the peace of ISLAM'.




The truth is that ISLAM produces oppression, corruption, and dead bodies.

Proof ???

Look at any Sharia jurisdiction in this world.

Those societies are ALL, nests of oppression, corruption and human poverty.






ISLAM = =  a curse upon mankind, from God, the God of Israel.
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TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:17pm:

you talk about oppression what about the cruelty of the jews who have invaded the land of the palestinians and keiling them daily and you remain silent about crimes being commited by the jews who kill unarmed men women and children in palestine who are the murderers then, then you accuse them of crimes which they do inorder to defend their land. why areent the jews murdersers rapists scums who rape young girls as they leave home to go to schools. armored tanks running over innocent people i can go on and on of the attroceties commited by jews and christians theroughout the world.





= = More moslem slander and lies, against the Jewish people.

= = More moslem projection and lies, against the Jewish people.



GOD BLESS ISRAEL, AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE.





'projection' = = blaming others, projecting the blame onto other, innocent parties, for the consequences of our own wicked choices and actions.


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Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Reply #28 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 3:15pm
 
For brevity, i am addressing just ONE of your deceptive, and false, 'EVIDENCES'.

The point of requiring consent of a woman in marriage.....



TrueISLAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:42pm:

EVIDENCE #9: Consent in Marriage


A women must be consulted and must agree in order to make a marriage valid (Mishakat al Masabiah, translation by James Robson, Vol. I, p. 665). Islamically, credible permission from women is a prerequisite for a marriage to be valid.

By any stretch of the imagination, the permission given by an immature seven-year-old girl cannot be valid authorization for marriage.

It is inconceivable that AbuBakr, an intelligent man, would take seriously the permission of a seven-year-old girl to marry a 50-year-old man.

Similarly, the Prophet would not have accepted the permission given by a girl who, according to the hadith of Muslim, took her toys with her when she went live with Prophet.

CONCLUSION: The Prophet did not marry a seven-year-old Ayesha because it would have violated the requirement of the valid permission clause of the Islamic Marriage Decree. Therefore, the Prophet married an intellectually and physically mature lady Ayesha.

SUMMARY:




It was neither an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as seven or nine years, nor did the Prophet marry Ayesha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated.






Obviously, the narrative of the marriage of nine-year-old Ayesha by Hisham ibn `Urwah cannot be held true when it is contradicted by many other reported narratives. Moreover, there is absolutely no reason to accept the narrative of Hisham ibn `Urwah as true when other scholars, including Malik ibn Anas, view his narrative while in Iraq, as unreliable. The quotations from Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim show they contradict each other regarding Ayesha’s age. Furthermore, many of these scholars contradict themselves in their own records. Thus, the narrative of Ayesha’s age at the time of the marriage is not reliable due to the clear contradictions seen in the works of classical scholars of Islam.

Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the information on Ayesha’s age is accepted as true when there are adequate grounds to reject it as myth. Moreover, the Quran rejects the marriage of immature girls and boys as well as entrusting them with responsibilities.

T.O. Shanavas is a physician based in Michigan. This article first appeared in The Minaret in March 1999.

© 2001 Minaret

Extracted 09/06/02 from The Minaret



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N.B.

THE ISLAMIC SOURCES IN MY EVIDENCE.......




Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

"Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."





The Prophet Muhhamad asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Bukhari 7.62.18



The record does NOT show that Aisha gave her own informed consent, in her being joined with Mohammed.



I guess that Aisha signalled her consent, by her silence ???

Google;
mohammed silence is consent




As is revealed in the Hadith....

"Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.062.067


"Narrated 'Aisha:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! A virgin feels shy." He said, "Her consent is (expressed by) her silence."  "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.062.068





"O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" .........He said,"Her consent is (expressed by) her silence."
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Re: UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
Reply #29 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:18pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 11:37am:
>> falah << is a moslem.

falah is clearly proud of the 'righteousness' [rape, murder, corruption, child rape, oppression, tyranny, etc.] which ISLAM enables in the world.

......BECAUSE HE  >>> NEVER, EVER <<< CONDEMNS THE WICKED THINGS WHICH MOSLEMS DO.


And why not ???

Because these depraved crimes of moslems, are 'lawful' to moslems.

ISLAM, 'legitimises' the criminal behaviour of moslems.

And falah, is 'happy' about that.



Are you retarded? I wrote that if they are proven guilty then they should be punished.

Islamic law punishes rape with penalties like stoning and crucifixion.

I certainly do not condone rape. You are lying to suggest that I condone rape or that Islam condones it. But that is the thing about Christianity isn't Yadda lying is not much of a problem for Christians is it? Fancy telling your own children that a man with flying reindeer will climb down the chimney in the middle of the night and leave presents.


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