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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #30 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 11:33pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:27pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Grey wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 9:48pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:52pm:
I guess I'm a little cynical about these sorts of things...

After all, I've been through the 'only an inch of topsoil' famine caused extinction of humanity by 1970 (1975, 1980, oh wait, 1990)

And the 'only enough oil for 3 months' things in 1973, 1979, 1985, 1995, 2001 etc etc...

And my parents, grandparents and uncles/aunts have told me about the various 'end of the world, next Thursday' things from their childhoods, although, those were usually due to the 'decay' of contemporary society (votes for women was going to cause it, so was promiscuity, splitting the atom, the invention of motorcars, the decline in church attendance, the approaching millennium (1900) and pretty much everything else).....

It seems there are ALWAYS groups around, predicting the fall of man.....since the 50's it's been environmental, rather than the older 'wrath of god' type though....

About the only common thread is, all the predictions have failed, and many have failed miserably...



Well said.
Doomsday scenarios have been around for thousands of years.
This is just the latest.


This thread topic is not 'global warming'. It's the future prospects stemming from continued exponential growth. Do we have 'exponential growth deniers' ? Are they the same people?


I know Grey, nothing in my post, or destroyer's response, was about 'global warming'....

Doc Jolly was the one who mentioned GW, I just answered his comments...


Just a small correction there Gizmo, it was actually you who first introduced the Environment (although admitedly mis-splelled), on the very first post after Grey's initial post!


gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney
eivronnutter
'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's
....

I did expect better of you....



Yes, and??
Environmentalism isn't restricted to global warming, in fact it predates the agw argument by a couple of decades (or more)...

The very first Earth Day in 1970 focused on over population and  global cooling fears......

Air pollution, water pollution, noise pollution (although I never got that one), logging, hunting, over fishing, topsoil depth, resource scarcity and numerous other things ( including the Tasmanian green movements protests AGAINST 'renewable' hydroelectricity projects from the late 60's until the early 80's..) were the major focuses of the early environmental movements around the world....

Global Warming/Climate Change came much later...
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #31 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:33am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 11:33pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:27pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Grey wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 9:48pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:52pm:
I guess I'm a little cynical about these sorts of things...

After all, I've been through the 'only an inch of topsoil' famine caused extinction of humanity by 1970 (1975, 1980, oh wait, 1990)

And the 'only enough oil for 3 months' things in 1973, 1979, 1985, 1995, 2001 etc etc...

And my parents, grandparents and uncles/aunts have told me about the various 'end of the world, next Thursday' things from their childhoods, although, those were usually due to the 'decay' of contemporary society (votes for women was going to cause it, so was promiscuity, splitting the atom, the invention of motorcars, the decline in church attendance, the approaching millennium (1900) and pretty much everything else).....

It seems there are ALWAYS groups around, predicting the fall of man.....since the 50's it's been environmental, rather than the older 'wrath of god' type though....

About the only common thread is, all the predictions have failed, and many have failed miserably...



Well said.
Doomsday scenarios have been around for thousands of years.
This is just the latest.


This thread topic is not 'global warming'. It's the future prospects stemming from continued exponential growth. Do we have 'exponential growth deniers' ? Are they the same people?


I know Grey, nothing in my post, or destroyer's response, was about 'global warming'....

Doc Jolly was the one who mentioned GW, I just answered his comments...


Just a small correction there Gizmo, it was actually you who first introduced the Environment (although admitedly mis-splelled), on the very first post after Grey's initial post!


gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney
eivronnutter
'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's
....

I did expect better of you....



Yes, and??
Environmentalism isn't restricted to global warming, in fact it predates the agw argument by a couple of decades (or more)...

The very first Earth Day in 1970 focused on over population and  global cooling fears......

Air pollution, water pollution, noise pollution (although I never got that one), logging, hunting, over fishing, topsoil depth, resource scarcity and numerous other things ( including the Tasmanian green movements protests AGAINST 'renewable' hydroelectricity projects from the late 60's until the early 80's..) were the major focuses of the early environmental movements around the world....

Global Warming/Climate Change came much later...



Yes, and, you were the first person to raise the Environment!

But, the video is not about that, it is about shortages in a whole range of areas and it is about Population levels, none of which you have addressed!
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #32 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:35am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 5:41pm:
OK THEN.
ONE WORD about such 'growth'.

= SUPERNOVA

and we all know what remains after that.  Wink

x20 Rabbits are let loose in a large expanse of land that is securely fenced. It doesn't take long before the Rabbit population grows into thousands. Then the 'resources' run out and BOOM - the Rabbit Population collapses.
This is to be expected.
The amazing thing about this is that after the collapse.
The Rabbit Population grows again but keeps a respectable rate and number that doesn't put a strain on the resources.

Animals are amazing,.


Animals are smarter than people?  Grin Well I'd like to think so, but animal populations stabalise due to various environmental factors such as predator numbers. It aint through the policy of a decision making group Smiley


Quote:
I believe recycling will become more and more popular


I did enjoy that one  Grin
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #33 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 8:05am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:33am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 11:33pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:27pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 2:09pm:
Grey wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21st, 2012 at 9:48pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:52pm:
I guess I'm a little cynical about these sorts of things...

After all, I've been through the 'only an inch of topsoil' famine caused extinction of humanity by 1970 (1975, 1980, oh wait, 1990)

And the 'only enough oil for 3 months' things in 1973, 1979, 1985, 1995, 2001 etc etc...

And my parents, grandparents and uncles/aunts have told me about the various 'end of the world, next Thursday' things from their childhoods, although, those were usually due to the 'decay' of contemporary society (votes for women was going to cause it, so was promiscuity, splitting the atom, the invention of motorcars, the decline in church attendance, the approaching millennium (1900) and pretty much everything else).....

It seems there are ALWAYS groups around, predicting the fall of man.....since the 50's it's been environmental, rather than the older 'wrath of god' type though....

About the only common thread is, all the predictions have failed, and many have failed miserably...



Well said.
Doomsday scenarios have been around for thousands of years.
This is just the latest.


This thread topic is not 'global warming'. It's the future prospects stemming from continued exponential growth. Do we have 'exponential growth deniers' ? Are they the same people?


I know Grey, nothing in my post, or destroyer's response, was about 'global warming'....

Doc Jolly was the one who mentioned GW, I just answered his comments...


Just a small correction there Gizmo, it was actually you who first introduced the Environment (although admitedly mis-splelled), on the very first post after Grey's initial post!


gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney
eivronnutter
'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's
....

I did expect better of you....



Yes, and??
Environmentalism isn't restricted to global warming, in fact it predates the agw argument by a couple of decades (or more)...

The very first Earth Day in 1970 focused on over population and  global cooling fears......

Air pollution, water pollution, noise pollution (although I never got that one), logging, hunting, over fishing, topsoil depth, resource scarcity and numerous other things ( including the Tasmanian green movements protests AGAINST 'renewable' hydroelectricity projects from the late 60's until the early 80's..) were the major focuses of the early environmental movements around the world....

Global Warming/Climate Change came much later...



Yes, and, you were the first person to raise the Environment!

But, the video is not about that, it is about shortages in a whole range of areas and it is about Population levels, none of which you have addressed!


Overpopulation IS an environmental issue....
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #34 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:31pm
 
Population growth is a problem that's sorting itself out. What we should focus on is restructuring our economies so that there's less growth and productivity and more leisure time. It would help to not spend all the leisure time procreating obviously Smiley

Save the Coral sea.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_coral_sea_4_aus/?cl=1614202481&v=12830
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