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Feb 19th, 2012 at 8:22pm
 
Here it is in baby talk, betcha the Right still don't get it. Chant 'greed is good' and it'll alll go away  Grin


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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am
 
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney eivronnutter 'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's....

I did expect better of you....
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:44am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney eivronnutter 'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's....

I did expect better of you....


Can it be "interesting" AND A "standard' whiney environ-nutter 'back to the cave' philosophy", AT THE SAME TIME?

I would have said, your response was simply the standard denial approach, without any reference to the facts raised!


Which would make your comments a standard DENIAL OF REALITY approach, but hardly "interesting", although pretty much as expected!

Btw, "Exponential Growth" is a very good definition of "impossible"!
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 9:46am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:44am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney eivronnutter 'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's....

I did expect better of you....


Can it be "interesting" AND A "standard' whiney environ-nutter 'back to the cave' philosophy", AT THE SAME TIME?

I would have said, your response was simply the standard denial approach, without any reference to the facts raised!


Which would make your comments a standard DENIAL OF REALITY approach, but hardly "interesting", although pretty much as expected!

Btw, "Exponential Growth" is a very good definition of "impossible"!


'Interesting' in information value, although nothing that I didn't learn at school

And 'whiney' in that it's conclusion are all negative ( "it'll all end in tears")
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:30am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 9:46am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:44am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney eivronnutter 'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's....

I did expect better of you....


Can it be "interesting" AND A "standard' whiney environ-nutter 'back to the cave' philosophy", AT THE SAME TIME?

I would have said, your response was simply the standard denial approach, without any reference to the facts raised!


Which would make your comments a standard DENIAL OF REALITY approach, but hardly "interesting", although pretty much as expected!

Btw, "Exponential Growth" is a very good definition of "impossible"!


'Interesting' in information value, although nothing that I didn't learn at school

And 'whiney' in that it's conclusion are all negative ( "it'll all end in tears")


Rubbish!


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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:48am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:30am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 9:46am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:44am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney eivronnutter 'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's....

I did expect better of you....


Can it be "interesting" AND A "standard' whiney environ-nutter 'back to the cave' philosophy", AT THE SAME TIME?

I would have said, your response was simply the standard denial approach, without any reference to the facts raised!


Which would make your comments a standard DENIAL OF REALITY approach, but hardly "interesting", although pretty much as expected!

Btw, "Exponential Growth" is a very good definition of "impossible"!


'Interesting' in information value, although nothing that I didn't learn at school

And 'whiney' in that it's conclusion are all negative ( "it'll all end in tears")


Rubbish!




Yes, most of what you post and seem to believe is indeed 'rubbish'...

I just don't subscribe to the pessimistic, 'end of the world' type panic that is so popular in the evironmental segment of modern society..
Throughout it's existence, mankind has always found a way out of these periodic problems, and I feel sure we will again...

( So much for all the assertions from the greenie side that they aren't advocating a return to subsistence living)...
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:08am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:48am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:30am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 9:46am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:44am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney eivronnutter 'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's....

I did expect better of you....


Can it be "interesting" AND A "standard' whiney environ-nutter 'back to the cave' philosophy", AT THE SAME TIME?

I would have said, your response was simply the standard denial approach, without any reference to the facts raised!


Which would make your comments a standard DENIAL OF REALITY approach, but hardly "interesting", although pretty much as expected!

Btw, "Exponential Growth" is a very good definition of "impossible"!


'Interesting' in information value, although nothing that I didn't learn at school

And 'whiney' in that it's conclusion are all negative ( "it'll all end in tears")


Rubbish!




Yes, most of what you post and seem to believe is indeed 'rubbish'...

I just don't subscribe to the pessimistic, 'end of the world' type panic that is so popular in the evironmental segment of modern society..
Throughout it's existence, mankind has always found a way out of these periodic problems, and I feel sure we will again...

( So much for all the assertions from the greenie side that they aren't advocating a return to subsistence living)...


Firstly, my background is not from the "greenie side", I spent over 40 years in the "Financial sector", mainly insurance!

Second, I don't subscribe to pessimism or optimism, but I do look at reality!

Third, I don't make decisions on feelings, I look at the facts, all the facts and then come to a considered, likely outcome, which I suppose comes from spending those years in the insurance industry!

Finally, in case you don't know, the entire insurance industry is built on two words - Sh!t Happens, which is proof that humanity endures bad & unwanted things happening to it, some minor, some major and in my estimation we are now coming up against a once in history episode of TSHTF!


That said, you will do what you will do, but WHAT YOU OR I DO NOW, WILL MAKE VERY LITTLE, IF ANY DIFFERENCE TO THE FINAL OUTCOME!


Btw, it's still Rubbish, about you do this stuff at school!
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Re: There is no tomorrow:
Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:39am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:08am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:48am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:30am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 9:46am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:44am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Interesting video Grey......

Although it seems to be the standard' whiney eivronnutter 'back to the cave' philosophy that's been around since the 1960's....

I did expect better of you....


Can it be "interesting" AND A "standard' whiney environ-nutter 'back to the cave' philosophy", AT THE SAME TIME?

I would have said, your response was simply the standard denial approach, without any reference to the facts raised!


Which would make your comments a standard DENIAL OF REALITY approach, but hardly "interesting", although pretty much as expected!

Btw, "Exponential Growth" is a very good definition of "impossible"!


'Interesting' in information value, although nothing that I didn't learn at school

And 'whiney' in that it's conclusion are all negative ( "it'll all end in tears")


Rubbish!




Yes, most of what you post and seem to believe is indeed 'rubbish'...

I just don't subscribe to the pessimistic, 'end of the world' type panic that is so popular in the evironmental segment of modern society..
Throughout it's existence, mankind has always found a way out of these periodic problems, and I feel sure we will again...

( So much for all the assertions from the greenie side that they aren't advocating a return to subsistence living)...


Firstly, my background is not from the "greenie side", I spent over 40 years in the "Financial sector", mainly insurance!

Second, I don't subscribe to pessimism or optimism, but I do look at reality!

Third, I don't make decisions on feelings, I look at the facts, all the facts and then come to a considered, likely outcome, which I suppose comes from spending those years in the insurance industry!

Finally, in case you don't know, the entire insurance industry is built on two words - Sh!t Happens, which is proof that humanity endures bad & unwanted things happening to it, some minor, some major and in my estimation we are now coming up against a once in history episode of TSHTF!


That said, you will do what you will do, but WHAT YOU OR I DO NOW, WILL MAKE VERY LITTLE, IF ANY DIFFERENCE TO THE FINAL OUTCOME!


Btw, it's still Rubbish, about you do this stuff at school!


I get annoyed by the people who sit around pointing out potential problems, without making the effort to think of solutions other than the 'stop doing everything we're doing' sort....

And no it's not rubbish......we (or I anyway) learned about the oil/coal running out scenarios in school in thhe 70's and 80's.....
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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:02pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 11:39am:
I get annoyed by the people who sit around pointing out potential problems, without making the effort to think of solutions other than the 'stop doing everything we're doing' sort....

And no it's not rubbish......we (or I anyway) learned about the oil/coal running out scenarios in school in thhe 70's and 80's.....


Do you? Well, perhaps the reason that Grey posted the video was to educate people that there is a problem, of which most people would not be aware!

And, perhaps many of my posts are also aimed at increasing Public awareness that there are urgent & pressing Global issues, which may just be able to stop us from doing everything we're doing?

All of which means, that some of us are at least saying, "hey there are problems", whilst you are happy to play Ostrich and pretend that everything will continue on, as is, which it simply CAN NOT!


As for school teaching the sort of in depth information on this video, let's throw it open & see what other members think about that?

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<sighs> It was always going to be the difficulty. How to get the right, with their short attention span, to watch all the way through.

The solution Giz, is to face up to the facts first off. Once you've joined the 'reality based community*' we can do.

An economy based on exponential growth cannot work forever. The using up of finite resources cannot go on forever. And you cannot expect those who profit most from those systems to provide the solutions that will change things.

The army has been marching fowards for years defeating all before it. But it's hit a chasm. The solutions are pretty easy. It can turn left, turn right, Settle and build a big city and farms or it can build a bridge. But when the problem is relayed back through the ranks to the generals at the rear and they say, 'Forwards is what works, it's the way we've always done it around here, keep moving forwards' the result is disaster.   

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*The source of the term is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, The New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove):

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
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Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:52pm
 
I guess I'm a little cynical about these sorts of things...

After all, I've been through the 'only an inch of topsoil' famine caused extinction of humanity by 1970 (1975, 1980, oh wait, 1990)

And the 'only enough oil for 3 months' things in 1973, 1979, 1985, 1995, 2001 etc etc...

And my parents, grandparents and uncles/aunts have told me about the various 'end of the world, next Thursday' things from their childhoods, although, those were usually due to the 'decay' of contemporary society (votes for women was going to cause it, so was promiscuity, splitting the atom, the invention of motorcars, the decline in church attendance, the approaching millennium (1900) and pretty much everything else).....

It seems there are ALWAYS groups around, predicting the fall of man.....since the 50's it's been environmental, rather than the older 'wrath of god' type though....

About the only common thread is, all the predictions have failed, and many have failed miserably...
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Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
Grey....Everyone should watch your little video!
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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
The difference between all those you mention, and global warming, is global warming is actually a consensus view of scientists, and an enormous amount of work has gone into verifying it.

Your predictions are from one or two theorists.

But I'm sure you knew that.  Grin

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:52pm:
I guess I'm a little cynical about these sorts of things...

After all, I've been through the 'only an inch of topsoil' famine caused extinction of humanity by 1970 (1975, 1980, oh wait, 1990)

And the 'only enough oil for 3 months' things in 1973, 1979, 1985, 1995, 2001 etc etc...

And my parents, grandparents and uncles/aunts have told me about the various 'end of the world, next Thursday' things from their childhoods, although, those were usually due to the 'decay' of contemporary society (votes for women was going to cause it, so was promiscuity, splitting the atom, the invention of motorcars, the decline in church attendance, the approaching millennium (1900) and pretty much everything else).....

It seems there are ALWAYS groups around, predicting the fall of man.....since the 50's it's been environmental, rather than the older 'wrath of god' type though....

About the only common thread is, all the predictions have failed, and many have failed miserably...

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Reply #13 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:40pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:52pm:
I guess I'm a little cynical about these sorts of things...

After all, I've been through the 'only an inch of topsoil' famine caused extinction of humanity by 1970 (1975, 1980, oh wait, 1990)

And the 'only enough oil for 3 months' things in 1973, 1979, 1985, 1995, 2001 etc etc...

And my parents, grandparents and uncles/aunts have told me about the various 'end of the world, next Thursday' things from their childhoods, although, those were usually due to the 'decay' of contemporary society (votes for women was going to cause it, so was promiscuity, splitting the atom, the invention of motorcars, the decline in church attendance, the approaching millennium (1900) and pretty much everything else).....

It seems there are ALWAYS groups around, predicting the fall of man.....since the 50's it's been environmental, rather than the older 'wrath of god' type though....

About the only common thread is, all the predictions have failed, and many have failed miserably...


A dri9ve through the older farming land of Queensland will show you that all the older farmhouses are standing on hills. But, they weren't built on hills. These issues are not based on the prphecies of Nostradamus, It's all just common sense. The future will view the question as to whether the shyte hit the fan in 2000, 2050, orn 2075 as moot. The fact is the longer we fail to act the worse the situation is going to be. We are stealing the resources, the money and the very environment from our children. If having a sense of reponsibility means anything, it means we do have to do something - NOW.
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Reply #14 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 2:29pm
 
I can't watch til tonight Grey, but I will be back!  Smiley
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