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Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Jan 29th, 2012 at 11:19am
 
Islam is not compatible with the United Nations Universal declaration of human rights.

Islam has the death penalty for apostasy which is a thought crime.
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Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (pbuh) "Whoever changes his religion,execute him (narrated Al Bukhari ,2794),What is meant by religion here is Islam (ie whoever changes from Islam to another religion)
Source-http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/20327/apostate


Death for apostasy violates article 18 from the United Nations Universal declaration of human rights-
http://www.un.org/events/humanrights/2007/hrphotos/declaration%20_eng.pdf

The Saudi's said they could sign this document because it violates Islamic law,Iran signed it then could not implement it because it violates Islamic law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

Islam is not compatible with The Universal Declaration of human rights see how many articles are violated in this video showing the brutality of the Islamic regime in Iran-


Sharia law is not compatible with human rights.
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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:17am
 
Abu-Falah-Lestat

Care to discuss the differences between Sharia law vs The Universal Declaration of human rights?

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:49am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:17am:
Abu-Falah-Lestat

Care to discuss the differences between Sharia law vs The Universal Declaration of human rights?





The Universal Declaration of human rights = = un-ISLAMIC.

And the Universal Declaration of human rights is kfir [demonstrates 'unbelief', in those who support its un-ISLAMIC values].

What more is there to say ?




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Moslems demand the human right to kill unbelievers who resist ISLAM's authority.

What is wrong with those human rights of moslems ???

Surely you kufar can see, that these are only 'good works' ?
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"....fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them,...."
Koran 9.5





......but only "when the forbidden months are past,"


What does that mean Abu, only when the forbidden months are past ?

Am i taking Koran 9.5 out of context ???

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:09pm
 
Who made up the Universal Declaration of human rights? God or imperfect humans? Who has the right to make laws the Creator or the Created?

Does the Bible conform to the Universal Declaration of human rights?

What is the punishment for apostasy in the Bible?
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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:32pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:09pm:
Who made up the Universal Declaration of human rights? God or imperfect humans? Who has the right to make laws the Creator or the Created?

Does the Bible conform to the Universal Declaration of human rights?


What is the punishment for apostasy in the Bible?





"You talking to me ?"




Numbers 30:2
If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.


God said that Hebrews must keep their covenant, that they made with God.

And that covenant breakers should be put to death.

i said that here.....
more muslim daily madness
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238715411/458#458





But God made it clear, that 'unbelievers' were NOT to be oppressed or murdered by Hebrews,
....because they were 'unbelievers'.

e.g.
The RELIGIOUS LAWS of Judaism state.....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...


n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18  But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...







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God intended that the Hebrews should be AN EXAMPLE to other peoples.

GOD'S LAW - 'judgments so righteous' - 'what nation...hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law'

Deuteronomy 4:1
Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.
2  Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
3  Your eyes have seen what the LORD did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the LORD thy God hath destroyed them from among you.
4  But ye that did cleave unto the LORD your God are alive every one of you this day.
5  Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7  For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?


Again,......
God intended that the Hebrews should be AN EXAMPLE to other peoples.






Not that the Hebrews should oppress and murder other peoples - in God's name.

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196






Got it yet, falah ????

Set a good example.

Don't be an oppressor.


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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:34pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:09pm:
Who made up the Universal Declaration of human rights? God or imperfect humans? Who has the right to make laws the Creator or the Created?

Does the Bible conform to the Universal Declaration of human rights?

What is the punishment for apostasy in the Bible?


The Universal declaration of human rights is man made.

The Quran was passed down over many years like a series of chinese whispers it was trusted to the memory of the hafiz before a caliph made a book out of it how many years after Mo died because the hafiz were getting killed in battles.
And muslims claim the Quran is not man made?

Muslims claim the Quran has never been corrupted yet the verse on stoning is missing.
Bukhari said the verse was revealed and read so where is it if the Quran has never been corrupted?

Was the Quran made by imperfect humans or is it divine in origin?

Why do the Saudi's and Iran say the Universal Declaration of human rights violates Islamic laws?
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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 2:15pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:09pm:
Who made up the Universal Declaration of human rights? God or imperfect humans? Who has the right to make laws the Creator or the Created?

Does the Bible conform to the Universal Declaration of human rights?

What is the punishment for apostasy in the Bible?


Seriously???..
Mankind (governments) make up declarations on 'rights'...'God' makes up punishments for ill treatment...
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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:09pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:32pm:
falah wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:09pm:
Who made up the Universal Declaration of human rights? God or imperfect humans? Who has the right to make laws the Creator or the Created?

Does the Bible conform to the Universal Declaration of human rights?

What is the punishment for apostasy in the Bible?



"You talking to me ?"


Numbers 30:2
If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

God said that Hebrews must keep their covenant, that they made with God.


Why did you not answer him about the Bible conforming to the Universal Declaration stuff?

I wonder if it conforms to the declaration if one executes a child for cursing their parents:

ie. "He who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:17)

Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:32pm:
And that covenant breakers should be put to death.


Yeh I doubt that conforms either. "Broke an oath?? Off with your head!!"

Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:32pm:
But God made it clear, that 'unbelievers' were NOT to be oppressed or murdered by Hebrews,
....because they were 'unbelievers'.


Except if they be designated enemies of Yahweh, then it's a must to slay them, old and young, men and women, even beasts of burden, but not the little virgins.

See Numbers 31.

Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:32pm:
God intended that the Hebrews should be AN EXAMPLE to other peoples.


So how they dealt with the Midianites is an example? ie. genocide  the hell outta 'em? And take the little virgins for booty?

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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:44pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

So how they dealt with the Midianites is an example? ie. genocide  the hell outta 'em? And take the little virgins for booty?




"See! See! It is in the Old Testament Bible. The Hebrews destroyed whole nations, and took their possessions and women as booty!!! So we moslems can too! Coz, we MOSLEMS are God's people today!"
   [an expression of glee, appears on Abu's face, and upon the face of every good moslem]   Cheesy




Abu,

And if the God of Israel told the Hebrews to destroy the Midianites >> because << the Midianites sacrificed their children to demons, then that was a bad call on God's part ???

Is that what you are suggesting ???




Abu,

Do you condone this policy of moslems, sacrificing their children to the cause of their god, Allah........ ???

see the images of children suicide bombers, here.....
Arab world in revolt, how will the West fare?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58

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Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 5:47am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:44pm:
"See! See! It is in the Old Testament Bible. The Hebrews destroyed whole nations, and took their possessions and women as booty!!! So we moslems can too! Coz, we MOSLEMS are God's people today!"
   [an expression of glee, appears on Abu's face, and upon the face of every good moslem]   Cheesy

Abu,

And if the God of Israel told the Hebrews to destroy the Midianites >> because << the Midianites sacrificed their children to demons, then that was a bad call on God's part ???

Is that what you are suggesting ???


That was not why. Clearly you haven't even read your own book, yet you consider yourself an authority on the books of other religions.

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites" (Numbers 31:1-2)

"And [so] it was, when Israel had sown, that the Midianites came up, and the Amalekites, and the children of the east, even they came up against them... And Israel was greatly impoverished because of the Midianites; and the children of Israel cried unto the LORD." (Judges 6:3-6)

Basically they were getting revenge because the Midianites had destroyed their crops. And so for that, they committed genocide against men, women and children. This is the "Yahweh" that you follow, the one who said:

"Yahweh is a man of war, Yahweh is his name" (Exodus 15:3)

Even if we were to accept your claim about child sacrifice, does that justify in your book murdering men, women and children? I guess when you worship a "man of war" anything is possible isn't it.

Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:44pm:
Abu,

Do you condone this policy of moslems, sacrificing their children to the cause of their god, Allah........ ???

see the images of children suicide bombers, here.....
Arab world in revolt, how will the West fare?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58


When a people are "vexed" enough then they will goto extremes to protect themselves. Peoples under occupation and constant siege will end up becoming a warrior people, each and every one of them will have to fight to defend themselves.

This speaks volumes about the one doing the vexing doesn't it?

But then again in your eyes the vexers are the chosen ones, and the vexed are the designated enemies of your "man-o-war", so that's all righteous isn't it?
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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 9:01am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 5:47am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:44pm:
"See! See! It is in the Old Testament Bible. The Hebrews destroyed whole nations, and took their possessions and women as booty!!! So we moslems can too! Coz, we MOSLEMS are God's people today!"
   [an expression of glee, appears on Abu's face, and upon the face of every good moslem]   Cheesy

Abu,

And if the God of Israel told the Hebrews to destroy the Midianites >> because << the Midianites sacrificed their children to demons, then that was a bad call on God's part ???

Is that what you are suggesting ???


That was not why. Clearly you haven't even read your own book, yet you consider yourself an authority on the books of other religions.

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites" (Numbers 31:1-2)

"And [so] it was, when Israel had sown, that the Midianites came up, and the Amalekites, and the children of the east, even they came up against them... And Israel was greatly impoverished because of the Midianites; and the children of Israel cried unto the LORD." (Judges 6:3-6)

Basically they were getting revenge because the Midianites had destroyed their crops. And so for that, they committed genocide against men, women and children. This is the "Yahweh" that you follow, the one who said:

"Yahweh is a man of war, Yahweh is his name" (Exodus 15:3)


Lol...what kind of evil religion justifies killing babies?

Yadda your religion encourages you to do genocide. You, yourself have said you would do genocide.

What kind of religion do you follow?

If you truly believe you are on the religion of God, I challenge you to join with me and ask God to curse whichever one of us is on the false religion.
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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:51am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:09pm:
Why did you not answer him about the Bible conforming to the Universal Declaration stuff?


This thread is about Islam why do you deviate from the topic?

I am an atheist i dont belive in the bible,what relevance does the bible have to an atheist?

We have separation of church and state in the west our constitution does not allow religious laws.

Abu-
Why did the Saudi's and Iran say the Universal declaration of human rights violates Islamic law?

Are muslims living in the dark ages compared to the west when it comes to human rights?
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Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:27pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:51am:
I am an atheist


ahh yes, and your atheist brothers, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and Pol Pot, also pretended to be concerned with human rights - even when they killed millions.
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Reply #13 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:27pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:51am:
I am an atheist


ahh yes, and your atheist brothers, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and Pol Pot, also pretended to be concerned with human rights - even when they killed millions.


Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).
It contains no dogmas,rituals,actions,belief system,tenets,etc.
There is nothing about atheism which would provide a casual link between atheism and any action.


Pol Pot was a buddhist he did not believe in god yet he believed in the afterlife so he cannot be an atheist.
Do Atheists believe in the afterlife Falah?

Stalin had a father who was a priest how much time did he spend in the seminary falah?

Communism and fascism were the ideologies here it had nothing to do with atheism.
Naziism,Communism,Maoism were all dogmas we opposed.

Bob Hawke was an atheist Prime Minister did he give us medicare?


Falah-
Is having sex with and marrying children a good thing?
If you say NO then Mohammad is not your moral guide!




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Reply #14 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 4:39pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Pol Pot was a buddhist he did not believe in god yet he believed in the afterlife so he cannot be an atheist.
Do Atheists believe in the afterlife Falah?

Stalin had a father who was a priest how much time did he spend in the seminary falah?


Dress it up any way you want, but they were atheist leaders.


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Naziism,Communism,Maoism were all dogmas we opposed.

A little curious as to who you mean by "we", because I am fairly certain that you and I have never met.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Bob Hawke was an atheist Prime Minister did he give us medicare?

An atheist perhaps, but limited in his atheism endeavours by the Australian parliamentary system which required him to have the support of a parliament of mostly non-atheists.


Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Falah-
Is having sex with and marrying children a good thing?
If you say NO then Mohammad is not your moral guide!



Prophet Muhammed's wives themselves said that he never consumated a marriage with a wife who had not reached puberty.

Throughout most of human history, the definition of child (for marriage purposes) has been someone who has not reached puberty.
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