abu_rashid wrote on Jan 27
th, 2012 at 9:35am:
I'm pretty sure I have pointed out to you before that the word translated here as "friends" does not mean friends in the sense that we understand it in English.....
.....Quite clearly the English word "friends" does not accurately capture the meaning of the word "awliya".
And anyway even if it did, I don't see what your problem with that is?
Tell me, how many Muslims have you befriended?
What do i know of moslems, personally ?
In the past, i have met and talked with [only a few] moslems, and i have been a guest in the home of a moslem.
But where i live today, i have no 'opportunity' to come into personal contact with moslems.
But regarding my opinion of ISLAM/moslems Abu, shouldn't i legitimately be allowed to form my opinion of moslems [to form my opinion of their 'society'], based upon my understanding of their examined philosophy ?
And to form my opinion of 'moslem society', based upon how moslems themselves present themselves, in the world ?
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Abu,
I would trust moslems, if i did not know that moslems are 'openly' a deceitful people.
Personally, i am convinced that moslems typically, only tell the truth, about their relationship with infidels,
...when moslems talk among themselves.It is my opinion, that moslems typically, ARE LIARS, and will blatantly, and intentionally, and deceitfully misrepresent ISLAM to infidels,
whenever they are talking to infidels.
Abu,
Why would i hold such an opinion about moslems?
e.g.
Google;
undercover mosque
Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit
Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"
How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war+++
DECEIT EXAMPLE #1,
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
A UK moslem *community leader*, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;
"We condemn the killing of all innocent civilians."
#1,
THE VERY SAME GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE
"...Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:
"Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar." "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article552594.eceDECEIT EXAMPLE #2,
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
"The Undercover Mosque: The return"
"A group of Christians visiting the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat [the Christians] kindly and talk about,
'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'."
#2,
SAME GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE
"
Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely.
'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says....."
Source;
ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a [beat], they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue....."
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2360820.htm#transcriptIMO, what 'religious' non-moslems need to realise, is that the intentional, blatant deceit, coming from the lips of moslems, lies about a 'tolerant', 'peaceful' ISLAM, is often delivered as part of a moslem 'inter-faith dialogue', with people of other faiths.DECEIT EXAMPLE #3,
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE
Use children as troops, says cleric [Sheik Feiz Mohammed]
January 18, 2007
..."We want to have children and offer them as soldiers...Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior).
Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."......
"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).
"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=94224http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php#3,
SAME GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood
"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"...
"I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said. "We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-w...Sheik Feiz declares;
"....violence against others,..This is not Islamic law and it is not moral.";
In the face of this open declaration in the Koran.....
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123
Raymond Ibrahim: How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
[in dealings with infidels, moslems should....]
Preach peace when weak, wage war when strong.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/raymond-ibrahim-how-circumstance-dictates-isla...And there are lots, lots, more examples available of the moslem deceit and duplicity, in their everyday 'conversation' with non-moslems.