I've claimed no such thing. We're talking about Islamic concepts. Their definitions come from Arabic, and specifically from the shari'ah meanings of the terms in the Islamic texts.

Riddah in that context means something like apostasy-treason-desertion-defection. All of these concepts rolled into one.

Wali in the context of that verse means guardian-protector-ally-friends. All of these concepts rolled into one.

No single one of these English words alone will suffice to describe the word in the verse, hence the reason some translators just transliterated the word, then put several of these meanings in brackets.

As I said, if that's beyond your understanding, then I am wasting my time. Only a simpleton would insist all languages must have a 1 to 1 mapping for each and every word/concept pair.

Not at all. I've made it quite clear on numerous occasions that the Islamic concept can be translated to cover both apostasy and treason. You just refuse to listen, as you've got it in your head it's some kind of ruse to avoid it being apostasy that is a capital offence, to cheat you out of your "gotcha".

I've never claimed apostasy isn't a capital offence, merely highlighted the fact that apostasy in Islam overlaps with the concept of treason in the West, which in most countries is a capital offence.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:


You seem very comfortable changing your tune Abu:

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:28pm:


Quote:

You left out Jesus.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:



This is why Islam is absolutely incompatible with the western liberal, enlightenment tradition. Islam is the avowed enemy of everything the west stands for.

This is why treating Islam as if it was just about people wanting to bring up their kids like everyone else is huge mistake.

Islam is hostile, not compatible. It should be treated as such. It has been for most of its existence, until about the '70s. Another fvckup by leftie numpties. Islam is not a signatory to the multicultural settlement of cultural differences.

falah wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:



BAGHDAD, Jan. 27 (Xinhua) -- A suicide car bomb attack rattled Iraqi capital city Baghdad on Friday, killing at least 31 people and injuring 60 others, an interior ministry source said.



Why were those Muslims murdered by other Muslims?

Soren wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:


Of course Islam as a state ideology is not compatible with any other ideology, wouldn't that go without saying?

Your claim by extension that therefore a Muslim cannot live in a Western society is not accurate though. The two are completely different issues, and if you had half a neuron floating around in that skull of yours, I think you would've known that.

Soren wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:


The West does not treat Islam, as a state ideology, because it does not currently exist as such. Didn't you just admit to this recently?

Soren wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:


Islam the first state ideology to establish a truly multicultural state. This is simple historical fact.

Soren wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:


Why did the French murder tens of thousands of their own people after the fall of the Vichy regime? And many during its existence?

When part of a population collaborates with an occupation force, they can't expect to fare too well in the aftermath when the collaborationist regime begins to fall.