Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 9:31am:





Baron,
Also, if the captive woman is already married, and has a living husband, the moslem owner of that captive woman does not commit adultery by having [forced] sex with her.

In such circumstances every moslem man gets a special 'dispensation' from ISLAM [Allah], to commit adultery with a married woman [i.e. a woman who is already BOUND in wedlock], without any prospect of being stoned, as a punishment for his serious sin.

Google;
islam marital status of female captives, is no longer valid





see also.....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/kuwait-female-political-activist-calls-for-leg...



/sarc off

Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 9:31am:

The use of the term "sex slaves" is misleading. Hypothetically, Islam allows a man to have relationship with his female slaves similar to that a wife - a concubine.


Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 9:31am:


Prophet Muhammed (may God's peace and blesings be upon him) was given a slave, named Maria, by the Christian ruler of Egypt.

Other prophets like David and Solomon had concubines.



Doesn't that mean that Christianity and Judaism also sanctions sex-slavery?

falah wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

The Bible says that prophet Abraham had a concubine named Hagar. They even  had children together!

Doesn't that mean that Christianity and Judaism also sanctions sex-slavery?

Sarai [Sarah] was baren, so she gave her servant, Hagar, to Abram as a wife, to bear him children. Genesis 16:1-3

Later Sarai [Sarah] was promised a child, by God.

But Sarah did not believe God's promise to her.  Genesis 18:9-15





+++

Other prophets like David and Solomon had concubines.

Men's lust for horses and women.

In the OT men's desire for horses represents the lust of men for [political/martial] power, and men's desire for women represents men's carnal lust.

God understands that it is always men's lusts which separate men from God.

God didn't separate himself from man.

It was man [in his flesh] who separated himself from God's purity.



e.g.
What was God's warning to the kings of Israel concerning those lusts ???

Deuteronomy 17:14
When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
15  Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
16  But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
17  Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
18  And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
19  And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:
20  That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.



Again....

Other prophets like David and Solomon had concubines.

What was Solomon's fault ???

1 Kings 10:26
And Solomon gathered together chariots and horsemen: and he had a thousand and four hundred chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, whom he bestowed in the cities for chariots, and with the king at Jerusalem.
27  And the king made silver to be in Jerusalem as stones, and cedars made he to be as the sycomore trees that are in the vale, for abundance.
28  And Solomon had horses brought out of Egypt, and linen yarn: the king's merchants received the linen yarn at a price.
29  And a chariot came up and went out of Egypt for six hundred shekels of silver, and an horse for an hundred and fifty: and so for all the kings of the Hittites, and for the kings of Syria, did they bring them out by their means.

1 Kings 11:1
But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
2  Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
3  And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
4  For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
5  For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
6  And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
7  Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
8  And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.




+++

And although....



....King Solomon was an idolater, just like all men are idolaters.



The lesson from Solomon's conduct [i.e. disobeying God's laws and commandments, Deuteronomy 17:14-20] is that it led Israel down an idolatrous road [path in life].

Ultimately [disobeying God's laws and commandments] led to Israel's destruction and the enslavement [again!!!] of Israel's people.

i.e.
Separation from God, will cause our enslavement and bondage.

Blindly chasing our worldly desires, causes our [spiritual] enslavement.

Not trusting God [disobeying God's laws and commandments], will cause our [spiritual] enslavement.

This life is a spiritual test.

We are effectively free, to choose to do, whatever we wish.

And in your choices, YOU, are revealing yourself.



Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

2 Peter 2:19
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


Q.
Who wants us in bondage?

A.
SATAN.



+++

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


+++


You want to chase 'tail'?

That is what moslems do [....'chasing tail' is a behaviour which is sanctified by Mohammed's own conduct].




Mohammed's example, in the Hadith provides the proof to moslems that moslem men can 'lawfully' have non-consensual sex with their female captives....


n.b. THESE WORDS [below] ARE DIRECTLY QUOTED FROM THE HADITH [i.e. the sunnah of Mohammed]

Quote:

"Rape your 'war booty', its OK, say ISLAMIC texts"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251760605/0#0


Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.

falah wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:



Islam 'discourages' it, the West, on Christian grounds, abolished it. In islam, it is still legal because Mohmmed had slaves. It will alway be OK in Islam for that reason. You cannot abolosh it without repudiating Mohammed. In the west, including the Jews, it is illegal, no matter who in the OT had slaves.

You know this, I know this, every literate Muslim knows this. Yet you argue as if you didn't know.
This is one of hundreds and thousands of examples of muslims knowingly lying and distorting. No wonder you are not trusted.




Most of hye 20 million slaves in the world today are in Pakistan and other South Asian countries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1357_slavery_today/page4.shtml


'discourged', eh?

falah wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:







falah,

Your own foundation text [the Koran] clearly states that captive women [i.e.

'those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war'

], are the 'lawful' sex objects of moslem men.

Why do you, AS A PROUD MOSLEM, deny what is clearly stated within the Koran?

Are you ashamed that ISLAM's foundation text [the Koran] clearly promotes and endorses the sex-slavery of captive women

'out of the prisoners of war'

?

And are you ashamed that the Koran categorises those captive women, as 'lawful' sex objects for their owners, moslem men ?




"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Koran 33.50




falah says....

"The use of the term "sex slaves" is misleading."

falah, why do you deny that ISLAM clearly promotes and endorses the sex-slavery of captive non-moslem women?




+++

Again, in the same post, falah makes the false claim.....

"Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/pakistan-christian-girls-some-already-married-...


+++



n.b.
It is clear that critics of ISLAM can present irrefutable proof [ISLAMIC texts, and the conduct of moslems today], showing of how immoral ISLAM is as a philosophy....

And the very best reply moslems can come up with is a bare faced denial,
.....even in the face of proofs against their denials.

e.g. #1,

"Why would you raise this issue when, due to Islam's discouragement of slavery, slavery does not exist today in the Islamic world?"

e.g. #2,



Pure denial of proofs set before moslems.





Conclusion;
Moslems have no shame.
It is impossible to shame a moslem, by presenting him with the evidence of his immoral beliefs or his immoral conduct.

Why so?

Because moslems 'KNOW', that they are moral persons.

Why so?

Because moslems 'KNOW' [from childhood all moslems are taught], that their accusers [the non-moslems] are the immoral persons.



TO UNDERSTAND THE MOSLEM MIND, WE NON-MOSLEMS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT ! ------>




Q.
What is permitted by Sharia ???

A.
The use of captive non-moslem women as sexual slaves.



Further 'deniable' proof #1,


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/kuwait-female-political-activist-calls-for-leg...


Further 'deniable' proof #2,


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-g...

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:



Yeah, that's what I am saying.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4042207.stm

See also Sudan.

falah wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:


Yes and muslims do not do suicide bombing,they call it martyrdom get your terms right and win 72 houris who are white in colour.
Why do the houris have to be white Falah what is wrong with having a few dark skinned girls in your heavenly brothel was Mohammad a racist?

The sunni muslims do a form of temporary marriage called "Misyar Nikah" which is similar to a mutah nikah yet it is the sunni version.