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Reply #15 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 9:31pm
 
Adamant wrote on Dec 8th, 2011 at 8:11am:
First the raping of a young man by the eyes of Saudi females. I was appalled, but to what depths of depravity will muslim women stoop to next?

CUCUMBERS

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Islamic cleric bans women from touching bananas, cucumbers for sexual resemblance

Manar Ammar | 6 December 2011 | 82 Comments


Cucumbers are forbidden for women, says Islamic sheikh.

CAIRO: An Islamic cleric residing in Europe said that women should not be close to bananas or cucumbers, in order to avoid any “sexual thoughts.”

The unnamed sheikh, who was featured in an article on el-Senousa news, was quoted saying that if women wish to eat these food items, a third party, preferably a male related to them such as their a father or husband, should cut the items into small pieces and serve.

He said that these fruits and vegetables “resemble the male penis” and hence could arouse women or “make them think of sex.”

He also added carrots and zucchini to the list of forbidden foods for women.

The sheikh was asked how to “control” women when they are out shopping for groceries and if holding these items at the market would be bad for them. The cleric answered saying this matter is between them and God.

Answering another question about what to do if women in the family like these foods, the sheikh advised the interviewer to take the food and cut it for them in a hidden place so they cannot see it.

The opinion has stirred a storm of irony and denouncement among Muslims online, with hundreds of comments mocking the cleric.

One reader said that these religious “leaders” give Islam “a bad name” and another commented said that he is a “retarded” person and he must quite his post immediately.

Others called him a seeker of fame, but no official responses from renowned Islamic scholars have been published on the statements


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Obviously a fake. According to Abu Islamic clerics don't exist.
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Reply #16 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 8:15am
 
Your obsessed. I suggest you get some councelling...or is this all that makes your pathetic life seem meaningful??
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Reply #17 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 5:53pm
 
I'm not the one who feels the need to constantly insult people on internet forums because I can't put together a rational argument.
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Reply #18 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 8:39am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 28th, 2011 at 5:53pm:
I'm not the one who feels the need to constantly insult people on internet forums because I can't put together a rational argument.


Really? So what do you call the tripe above? Certainly not a rational argument.
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Reply #19 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 10:50am
 
Any religion is a way forwards, like removing the engine is a great way to increase the speed of a motor car.
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Reply #20 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 11:16am
 
Grey wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 10:50am:
Any religion is a way forwards, like removing the engine is a great way to increase the speed of a motor car.


Agreed!
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Reply #21 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 9:23pm
 
Religion is an inherently human institution. You cannot escape it, as it is part of what makes us human. Human societies all over the world have adopted religions and used them to organise their affairs since time immemorial. I'm afraid atheists are fighting a losing battle on that one.

About the most you can argue is you don't like the religions you've come across, but in effect you live by a religion of some sort, as a religion is merely a system for organising man's affairs, and sanctifying something, if it is not the Creator, then it is something else.
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Reply #22 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 11:30pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 9:23pm:
Religion is an inherently human institution.


Yes.


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You cannot escape it, as it is part of what makes us human.


No.

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Human societies all over the world have adopted religions and used them to organise their affairs since time immemorial. I'm afraid atheists are fighting a losing battle on that one.


People have eaten meat from time immemorial too. Doesn't stop an increasing number of people from becoming vegatarian.

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About the most you can argue is you don't like the religions you've come across,


No the most I can argue is that there is no evidence for the existence of a 'god'. That religions have had a negative impact on human affairs for as long as they've existed and the fact and origins of so many religions is evidence that they are about the power and exploitation by people over other people with no divinity about them or redeemable qualities.

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but in effect you live by a religion of some sort,


No I don't.

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as a religion is merely a system for organising man's affairs, and sanctifying something,


No it isn't. It's a conmans trick of supplying an answer to a question nobody knows the answer to.

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  if it is not the Creator, then it is something else.


There is a Universe, the one poem, who could want for more?

The 'holy land' spot the baby Jesus, Keh Grin

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That religions have had a negative impact on human affairs for as long as they've existed


Humans have had a negative impact on humans. To ascribe it so simply to religion as so many do is pretty short sighted. Great things have been done in the name of religion and still are.
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Reply #24 - Dec 30th, 2011 at 12:00am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 11:46pm:
[quote]That religions have had a negative impact on human affairs for as long as they've existed


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Humans have had a negative impact on humans. To ascribe it so simply to religion as so many do is pretty short sighted.


Not as short sighted as to deny that religion is a major cause of conflict and human suffering.

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Great things have been done in the name of religion and still are.


Poppycock! Nothing has been done in the name of religion that couldn't be done without religion.
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Reply #25 - Dec 30th, 2011 at 2:17am
 
Grey wrote on Dec 30th, 2011 at 12:00am:
freediver wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 11:46pm:
[quote]That religions have had a negative impact on human affairs for as long as they've existed


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Humans have had a negative impact on humans. To ascribe it so simply to religion as so many do is pretty short sighted.


Not as short sighted as to deny that religion is a major cause of conflict and human suffering.

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Great things have been done in the name of religion and still are.


Poppycock! Nothing has been done in the name of religion that couldn't be done without religion.



grey - i pretty much agree with you there
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Poppycock! Nothing has been done in the name of religion that couldn't be done without religion.


I never claimed any different. Likewise, all the evil things that people point out are done in the name of various religions are far more often done for other motives. However, a lot of the good that is done in the name of religion simply would not be done without it, or only to a far lesser extent.

In any case, if you want to discuss further you should start a new thread on a duifferent board as I feel kind of wierd saying this alongside people who want to go back to stoning little girls to death.
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Reply #27 - Dec 30th, 2011 at 10:01am
 
Grey, most of the largest massacres in human history have been carried out by atheists. Stalin, Mao, Pol pot etc. were all atheists.
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Reply #28 - Dec 30th, 2011 at 3:39pm
 
Grey wrote on Dec 30th, 2011 at 12:00am:
Poppycock! Nothing has been done in the name of religion that couldn't be done without religion.



In their Encyclopedia of Wars, authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document 1763 wars since 3500 BC, of which 123 (7%) have been classified to involve a religious conflict.

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Wars-Library-World-History/dp/0816028516
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Reply #29 - Dec 31st, 2011 at 12:43am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Dec 30th, 2011 at 10:01am:
Grey, most of the largest massacres in human history have been carried out by atheists. Stalin, Mao, Pol pot etc. were all atheists.


reports of their atheism have been greatly exagaratted.

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Argument: Stalin had faith, but not religionSome evidence suggests Stalin, although not following a particular religion, may have been spiritual (had personal faith, but did not practice a religion).

English historian Simon Sebag Montefiore studied Stalin’s hobbies and personal library, what Stalin liked to read, what kind of marks he left in his books. He found that Stalin liked to quote long quotes from the Bible. Stalin left such mark about God in the book by Anatole France "Last pages. Dialogues under a rose. About God": "Don‘t know traces, don‘t see. There is no Him for them." ("Следов не знают, не видят. Его для них нет."). It seems that Stalin thought he knew God’s traces and saw God, not like others.

Stalin "denied categorically to prescribe atheistic literature to his personal library, fastidiously calling it ""antireligious waste-paper (junk)"". ("Secret life of Stalin : By materials of his books and archive : According to Stalinism" by Ilizarov.B.S. 2004)

Stalin wrote poems in Georgian language. They are so good that were being published in local magazines. Few fragments sounds so (translation from Georgian to Russian language by L.Kotiukov (Л. Котюков), Newspaper "Duel" N10(101)1999-03-09. "Poet Josef Dzhugashvili" (Газета "Дуель", "Поет Иосиф Джугашвили" N 10(101) 1999-03-09. Б.М. Гунько)):

(...) In his burden and song like the beam of the Sun, lived great truth – DIVINE dream.

(...) But people who forgot GOD, with darkness in their hearts, instead of wine served poison to him in the cup.

And told to him: "Damn you! Drink this cup to the bottom!... And your song is alien for us, and we don’t need your truth!"

The above poem is probably a reference to Socrates who history says was made to drink poison from a cup because he "introduced a foreign god into the city gods." "More specifically, Socrates’ accusers cited two ‘impious’ acts: ‘failing to acknowledge the gods that the city acknowledges’ and ‘introducing new deities.’ as noted in =http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Socrates.]Socrates was not an atheist.
http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Was_Stalin_an_atheist%3F
What is known for certain is that they were all totallitarian communists with psychopathic personalities and delusions of grandeur. The same type of people have lead fascists, catholics, jews, capitalists, muslims, greeks, romans, and Mexican sun worshippers.
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