Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 11 12 13 14 15 
Send Topic Print
anti corporate protests (Read 12232 times)
Equitist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9632
NSW
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #180 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:13pm
 


qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:06pm:
If it wasn't for those on the very top rung who deserve to be thrown off altogether, they wouldn't need to be protesting at all.


I personally believe you could take all the wealth in the world and distribute it equally to every person on earth and within a few generations it would be concentrated roughly as it is today.




That would only happen to that extreme, in the event that there were no laws and regulations to moderate polarising impacts!

One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is the culture of individualism for 'wealth creation' - hence the associated competition, exploitation, oppression and stratification of our society.

This culture is promoted through an insidious and never-ending stream of propaganda and marketing. This is an obvious area for reform.

As I have stated previously, I agree that a degree of inequality is inevitable in any human population - but, where there's the collective will of the majority, there are ways and means of limiting polarisation within reasonable limits!




Back to top
 

Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!
 
IP Logged
 
qikvtec
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1846
Queensland
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #181 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:16pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:13pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:06pm:
If it wasn't for those on the very top rung who deserve to be thrown off altogether, they wouldn't need to be protesting at all.


I personally believe you could take all the wealth in the world and distribute it equally to every person on earth and within a few generations it would be concentrated roughly as it is today.




That would only happen to that extreme, in the event that there were no laws and regulations to moderate polarising impacts!

One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is the culture of individualism for 'wealth creation' - hence the associated competition, exploitation, oppression and stratification of our society.

This culture is promoted through an insidious and never-ending stream of propaganda and marketing. This is an obvious area for reform.

As I have stated previously, I agree that a degree of inequality is inevitable in any human population - but, where there's the collective will of the majority, there are ways and means of limiting polarisation within reasonable limits!






You would legislate against entrepreneurial endeavour?
Back to top
 

Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM
 
IP Logged
 
Equitist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9632
NSW
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #182 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:32pm
 


qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:16pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:13pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:06pm:
If it wasn't for those on the very top rung who deserve to be thrown off altogether, they wouldn't need to be protesting at all.


I personally believe you could take all the wealth in the world and distribute it equally to every person on earth and within a few generations it would be concentrated roughly as it is today.




That would only happen to that extreme, in the event that there were no laws and regulations to moderate polarising impacts!

One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is the culture of individualism for 'wealth creation' - hence the associated competition, exploitation, oppression and stratification of our society.

This culture is promoted through an insidious and never-ending stream of propaganda and marketing. This is an obvious area for reform.

As I have stated previously, I agree that a degree of inequality is inevitable in any human population - but, where there's the collective will of the majority, there are ways and means of limiting polarisation within reasonable limits!






You would legislate against entrepreneurial endeavour?




No, of course not - but I would legislate that those at the top of the heap cannot reap grossly-disproportionate benefits from the efforts and skills of others!

As you know, I do not believe that any 1 human being is 'worth' more than 10 others. However, I would accept a system wherein the limit was set at a factor of 20 - but some seem willing to tolerate a remuneration discrepancy factor of 50 or 100 or more (even 1,000!

Seriously, it is obscene and unconscionable that we have allowed a system to develop in which the top person in an organisation can draw annual remuneration of $28,000,000 and the people in a large group at the bottom struggles for a minimum wage rise beyond $28,000 pa.

It would be bad enough, if the top earner in that scenario was remunerated to the tune of $2,800,000 - especially when a person on 1/10 of that would still be in the top 1% of income earners in this country!

Given that the price paid for most essential goods and services does not vary according to one's income, it is plain wrong to support a system which allows a select few individuals to siphon-off hundreds and thousands more than a great many others.

Back to top
 

Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!
 
IP Logged
 
Equitist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9632
NSW
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #183 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:39pm
 


Here's a scenario that I would ask everyone to consider...

If you held a birthday party for your 7 year old son or daughter and invited 19 guests: would you allow your child to take 19 out of 20 equal-sized pieces of that cake for themselves, thereby leaving a final 1/20th for the remaining 19 to share!?

I would hope that you would denounce such a scenario as totally unfair and unreasonable - not to mention that it would be teaching the child selfish and anti-social attitudes.

So, I now ask you to answer this question honestly: at what age would you start teaching that same child that it is OK for the top 5% of individuals to control hoard 95% of the nation's (or world's) resources!?

I am especially keen to hear from the Xtians amongst us!

Ah, smack it - I'm gonna start a separate thread!

Back to top
 

Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!
 
IP Logged
 
qikvtec
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1846
Queensland
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #184 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:40pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:32pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:16pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:13pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:06pm:
If it wasn't for those on the very top rung who deserve to be thrown off altogether, they wouldn't need to be protesting at all.


I personally believe you could take all the wealth in the world and distribute it equally to every person on earth and within a few generations it would be concentrated roughly as it is today.




That would only happen to that extreme, in the event that there were no laws and regulations to moderate polarising impacts!

One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is the culture of individualism for 'wealth creation' - hence the associated competition, exploitation, oppression and stratification of our society.

This culture is promoted through an insidious and never-ending stream of propaganda and marketing. This is an obvious area for reform.

As I have stated previously, I agree that a degree of inequality is inevitable in any human population - but, where there's the collective will of the majority, there are ways and means of limiting polarisation within reasonable limits!






You would legislate against entrepreneurial endeavour?




No, of course not - but I would legislate that those at the top of the heap cannot reap grossly-disproportionate benefits from the efforts and skills of others!

As you know, I do not believe that any 1 human being is 'worth' more than 10 others. However, I would accept a system wherein the limit was set at a factor of 20 - but some seem willing to tolerate a remuneration discrepancy factor of 50 or 100 or more (even 1,000!

Seriously, it is obscene and unconscionable that we have allowed a system to develop in which the top person in an organisation can draw annual remuneration of $28,000,000 and the people in a large group at the bottom struggles for a minimum wage rise beyond $28,000 pa.

It would be bad enough, if the top earner in that scenario was remunerated to the tune of $2,800,000 - especially when a person on 1/10 of that would still be in the top 1% of income earners in this country!

Given that the price paid for most essential goods and services does not vary according to one's income, it is plain wrong to support a system which allows a select few individuals to siphon-off hundreds and thousands more than a great many others.



And if the person at the top designs, develops, markets a product and then subsequently employs those with little required effort and elementary skills, what then?
Back to top
 

Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM
 
IP Logged
 
...
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #185 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:41pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:32pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:16pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:13pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:06pm:
If it wasn't for those on the very top rung who deserve to be thrown off altogether, they wouldn't need to be protesting at all.


I personally believe you could take all the wealth in the world and distribute it equally to every person on earth and within a few generations it would be concentrated roughly as it is today.




That would only happen to that extreme, in the event that there were no laws and regulations to moderate polarising impacts!

One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is the culture of individualism for 'wealth creation' - hence the associated competition, exploitation, oppression and stratification of our society.

This culture is promoted through an insidious and never-ending stream of propaganda and marketing. This is an obvious area for reform.

As I have stated previously, I agree that a degree of inequality is inevitable in any human population - but, where there's the collective will of the majority, there are ways and means of limiting polarisation within reasonable limits!






You would legislate against entrepreneurial endeavour?




No, of course not - but I would legislate that those at the top of the heap cannot reap grossly-disproportionate benefits from the efforts and skills of others!

As you know, I do not believe that any 1 human being is 'worth' more than 10 others. However, I would accept a system wherein the limit was set at a factor of 20 - but some seem willing to tolerate a remuneration discrepancy factor of 50 or 100 or more (even 1,000!
Seriously, it is obscene and unconscionable that we have allowed a system to develop in which the top person in an organisation can draw annual remuneration of $28,000,000 and the people in a large group at the bottom struggles for a minimum wage rise beyond $28,000 pa.

It would be bad enough, if the top earner in that scenario was remunerated to the tune of $2,800,000 - especially when a person on 1/10 of that would still be in the top 1% of income earners in this country!

Given that the price paid for most essential goods and services does not vary according to one's income, it is plain wrong to support a system which allows a select few individuals to siphon-off hundreds and thousands more than a great many others.




Why 20?  Surely if people are equal, it doesn't matter if it's 2x or 2000x. Inequality is inequality.
And even if every single person was paid the same, the wealth would soon concentrate, as some use it wisely, some do not.  How would you then fix that inequality?
Back to top
 

In the fullness of time...
 
IP Logged
 
qikvtec
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1846
Queensland
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #186 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:41pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:39pm:
Here's a scenario that I would ask everyone to consider...

If you held a birthday party for your 7 year old son or daughter and invited 19 guests: would you allow your child to take 19 out of 20 equal-sized pieces of that cake for themselves, thereby leaving a final 1/20th for the remaining 19 to share!?

I would hope that you would denounce such a scenario as totally unfair and unreasonable - not to mention that it would be teaching the child selfish and anti-social attitudes.

So, I now ask you to answer this question honestly: at what age would you start teaching that same child that it is OK for the top 5% of individuals to control hoard 95% of the nation's (or world's) resources!?

I am especially keen to hear from the Xtians amongst us!

Ah, smack it - I'm gonna start a separate thread!



Who in their right mind would invite 19, 7 years olds to their property?
Back to top
 

Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM
 
IP Logged
 
qikvtec
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1846
Queensland
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #187 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:42pm
 
... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:41pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:32pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:16pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:13pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:06pm:
If it wasn't for those on the very top rung who deserve to be thrown off altogether, they wouldn't need to be protesting at all.


I personally believe you could take all the wealth in the world and distribute it equally to every person on earth and within a few generations it would be concentrated roughly as it is today.




That would only happen to that extreme, in the event that there were no laws and regulations to moderate polarising impacts!

One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is the culture of individualism for 'wealth creation' - hence the associated competition, exploitation, oppression and stratification of our society.

This culture is promoted through an insidious and never-ending stream of propaganda and marketing. This is an obvious area for reform.

As I have stated previously, I agree that a degree of inequality is inevitable in any human population - but, where there's the collective will of the majority, there are ways and means of limiting polarisation within reasonable limits!






You would legislate against entrepreneurial endeavour?




No, of course not - but I would legislate that those at the top of the heap cannot reap grossly-disproportionate benefits from the efforts and skills of others!

As you know, I do not believe that any 1 human being is 'worth' more than 10 others. However, I would accept a system wherein the limit was set at a factor of 20 - but some seem willing to tolerate a remuneration discrepancy factor of 50 or 100 or more (even 1,000!
Seriously, it is obscene and unconscionable that we have allowed a system to develop in which the top person in an organisation can draw annual remuneration of $28,000,000 and the people in a large group at the bottom struggles for a minimum wage rise beyond $28,000 pa.

It would be bad enough, if the top earner in that scenario was remunerated to the tune of $2,800,000 - especially when a person on 1/10 of that would still be in the top 1% of income earners in this country!

Given that the price paid for most essential goods and services does not vary according to one's income, it is plain wrong to support a system which allows a select few individuals to siphon-off hundreds and thousands more than a great many others.




Why 20?  Surely if people are equal, it doesn't matter if it's 2x or 2000x. Inequality is inequality.
And even if every single person was paid the same, the wealth would soon concentrate, as some use it wisely, some do not.  How would you then fix that inequality?


Redistribute of course, but I assume that was a rhetorical question right?
Back to top
 

Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM
 
IP Logged
 
Equitist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9632
NSW
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #188 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:58pm
 

... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:41pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:32pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:16pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:13pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:06pm:
If it wasn't for those on the very top rung who deserve to be thrown off altogether, they wouldn't need to be protesting at all.


I personally believe you could take all the wealth in the world and distribute it equally to every person on earth and within a few generations it would be concentrated roughly as it is today.




That would only happen to that extreme, in the event that there were no laws and regulations to moderate polarising impacts!

One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is the culture of individualism for 'wealth creation' - hence the associated competition, exploitation, oppression and stratification of our society.

This culture is promoted through an insidious and never-ending stream of propaganda and marketing. This is an obvious area for reform.

As I have stated previously, I agree that a degree of inequality is inevitable in any human population - but, where there's the collective will of the majority, there are ways and means of limiting polarisation within reasonable limits!






You would legislate against entrepreneurial endeavour?




No, of course not - but I would legislate that those at the top of the heap cannot reap grossly-disproportionate benefits from the efforts and skills of others!

As you know, I do not believe that any 1 human being is 'worth' more than 10 others. However, I would accept a system wherein the limit was set at a factor of 20 - but some seem willing to tolerate a remuneration discrepancy factor of 50 or 100 or more (even 1,000!
Seriously, it is obscene and unconscionable that we have allowed a system to develop in which the top person in an organisation can draw annual remuneration of $28,000,000 and the people in a large group at the bottom struggles for a minimum wage rise beyond $28,000 pa.

It would be bad enough, if the top earner in that scenario was remunerated to the tune of $2,800,000 - especially when a person on 1/10 of that would still be in the top 1% of income earners in this country!

Given that the price paid for most essential goods and services does not vary according to one's income, it is plain wrong to support a system which allows a select few individuals to siphon-off hundreds and thousands more than a great many others.




Why 20?  Surely if people are equal, it doesn't matter if it's 2x or 2000x. Inequality is inequality.
And even if every single person was paid the same, the wealth would soon concentrate, as some use it wisely, some do not.  How would you then fix that inequality?




Perhaps you didn't notice that I was speaking from the premise of setting reasonable limits on inequality - rather than the unrealistic goal of total equality!?

Yes, the factor of 20 figure is arbitrary - but it is a far cry from the current situation under which there are no limits on obscene wealth inequality and associated exploitation and deprivation!

BTW, I maintain that the GFC (like the last Great Depression) boils down to one simple thing: being the inevitable outcome of the exponential polarisation of income (and wealth, opportunity, power and debt)!

As Henry Ford pragmatically observed: if he wanted to sell his cars, then he would need to pay his workers enough to be able to buy them! This simple reality is what the elite have tried to avoid in recent decades - first by lowering wages and then by lending against those wages. It was but a matter of time before the whole top-heavy upside-down pyramid would collapse!

Back to top
 

Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!
 
IP Logged
 
qikvtec
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1846
Queensland
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #189 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:04pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:58pm:
... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:41pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:32pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:16pm:
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:13pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:06pm:
If it wasn't for those on the very top rung who deserve to be thrown off altogether, they wouldn't need to be protesting at all.


I personally believe you could take all the wealth in the world and distribute it equally to every person on earth and within a few generations it would be concentrated roughly as it is today.




That would only happen to that extreme, in the event that there were no laws and regulations to moderate polarising impacts!

One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is the culture of individualism for 'wealth creation' - hence the associated competition, exploitation, oppression and stratification of our society.

This culture is promoted through an insidious and never-ending stream of propaganda and marketing. This is an obvious area for reform.

As I have stated previously, I agree that a degree of inequality is inevitable in any human population - but, where there's the collective will of the majority, there are ways and means of limiting polarisation within reasonable limits!






You would legislate against entrepreneurial endeavour?




No, of course not - but I would legislate that those at the top of the heap cannot reap grossly-disproportionate benefits from the efforts and skills of others!

As you know, I do not believe that any 1 human being is 'worth' more than 10 others. However, I would accept a system wherein the limit was set at a factor of 20 - but some seem willing to tolerate a remuneration discrepancy factor of 50 or 100 or more (even 1,000!
Seriously, it is obscene and unconscionable that we have allowed a system to develop in which the top person in an organisation can draw annual remuneration of $28,000,000 and the people in a large group at the bottom struggles for a minimum wage rise beyond $28,000 pa.

It would be bad enough, if the top earner in that scenario was remunerated to the tune of $2,800,000 - especially when a person on 1/10 of that would still be in the top 1% of income earners in this country!

Given that the price paid for most essential goods and services does not vary according to one's income, it is plain wrong to support a system which allows a select few individuals to siphon-off hundreds and thousands more than a great many others.




Why 20?  Surely if people are equal, it doesn't matter if it's 2x or 2000x. Inequality is inequality.
And even if every single person was paid the same, the wealth would soon concentrate, as some use it wisely, some do not.  How would you then fix that inequality?




Perhaps you didn't notice that I was speaking from the premise of setting reasonable limits on inequality - rather than the unrealistic goal of total equality!?

Yes, the factor of 20 figure is arbitrary - but it is a far cry from the current situation under which there are no limits on obscene wealth inequality and associated exploitation and deprivation!

BTW, I maintain that the GFC (like the last Great Depression) boils down to one simple thing: being the inevitable outcome of the exponential polarisation of income (and wealth, opportunity, power and debt)!

As Henry Ford pragmatically observed: if he wanted to sell his cars, then he would need to pay his workers enough to be able to buy them! This simple reality is what the elite have tried to avoid in recent decades - first by lowering wages and then by lending against those wages. It was but a matter of time before the whole top-heavy upside-down pyramid would collapse!



The roots of the GFC were the bastard love child of socialistic policies mixed with reckless financial bastardry of the highest order.


Back to top
 

Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM
 
IP Logged
 
Equitist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9632
NSW
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #190 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:17pm
 


qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:04pm:
The roots of the GFC were the bastard love child of socialistic policies mixed with reckless financial bastardry of the highest order.




That aspect is a furphy (which arose as a symptom of an earlier phase of the inevitable crisis) - albeit a convenient one for the corporatists who worship the 'Growth Fairy'!


Back to top
 

Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #191 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:23pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:32pm:
No, of course not - but I would legislate that those at the top of the heap cannot reap grossly-disproportionate benefits from the efforts and skills of others!

As you know, I do not believe that any 1 human being is 'worth' more than 10 others. However, I would accept a system wherein the limit was set at a factor of 20 - but some seem willing to tolerate a remuneration discrepancy factor of 50 or 100 or more (even 1,000!




Why not extend this stupendous scheme to all human endeavours? No painting is to be worth more than 20 times what any other painting is worth. No musician or singer is to be paid more than 20 buskers.









Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Equitist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 9632
NSW
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #192 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:32pm
 





Hmmnnn....perhaps you are close to catching onto the idea...!?
Back to top
 

Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!
 
IP Logged
 
qikvtec
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1846
Queensland
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #193 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:40pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:17pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:04pm:
The roots of the GFC were the bastard love child of socialistic policies mixed with reckless financial bastardry of the highest order.




That aspect is a furphy (which arose as a symptom of an earlier phase of the inevitable crisis) - albeit a convenient one for the corporatists who worship the 'Growth Fairy'!




Thy, with respect, I think you realise where the sub prime mortgage market originated.  I don't for a second excuse the derivatives and the way which they were packaged and sold; effectively financial terrorism.

I am very thankful, and as a nation of citizens we all should be, that Peter Costello and the army of advisers directed by his department, had the wherewithal to assemble and strengthen the Australian Prudential Regulatory Authority which protected the Australian banks from themselves.

I don't for a second defend the 'Bankers' responsible for the outcomes; a banker would sell his mother to 3 different people and let them work it out.

It is however fanciful to suggest that the root cause of the problem wasn't an American citizens legislated right to access mortgages.  It is patently ridiculous to lend to someone (even a sovereign) who simply can't afford to maintain the repayments and no means bar the sale of assets to retire the capital.  

Relying on property to always appreciate in price is similarly ridiculous; when that common believe belief is widely challenged you wind up with the financial sh!t storm we witnessed and still lingers.  

Governments Internationally need to get their respective houses in order.  Unnecessary debt need be avoided and budgets need to be at least balanced or when for whatever reason that isn't possible, a clear plan to return to that in a reasonable time frame is in order.

Banks both private and Central need high quality capital and stringent lending standards.

In our lifetimes we will witness the emancipation of the north African region and if we're lucky see an end to tyranny; I just hope we don't wipe ourselves off the face of the earth before we get to witness the event.



Back to top
« Last Edit: Nov 3rd, 2011 at 10:06pm by qikvtec »  

Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM
 
IP Logged
 
qikvtec
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1846
Queensland
Re: anti corporate protests
Reply #194 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:41pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:32pm:
Hmmnnn....perhaps you are close to catching onto the idea...!?


In that scenario Thy, give me food, give me shelter, a boat to fish and the good health and company to enjoy the spoils; oh and please leave me the hell alone.
Back to top
 

Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 11 12 13 14 15 
Send Topic Print