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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #60 - Oct 8^th, 2011 at 7:11pm I doubt anyone who believes we have been at war with the Muslim world since the 1920's would be able to see the difference, even if it is subtle as a brick.
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Reply #61 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 7:29am

freediver, do you deny the West has been engaging in some kind of hostility against one part of the Muslim world or another for at least the past century or two? Whether they were fully occupying, or just bombing, or sending billions of dollars of sophisticated weaponry to slaughter innocents, they've been constantly engaging in some kind of warfare or another for a very long time.

Can you see why most Muslims might consider that "being at war" with the Muslim world? Or are you just completely devoid of any concept of empathy whatsoever?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #62 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 8:54am How about we start with what you think before we get onto what 'most muslims' think? What side are you on in this war? Do you see yourself as being at war with Australia? Am I being hostile right now? What implications does your view on this war have for your moral obligations regarding honesty?
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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #63 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 12:55pm freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 8:54am: What side are you on in this war? Sounds a bit like George Bush Junior; "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists" said the brain-damaged former alcoholic.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #64 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 5:16pm Falah, do you share Abu's view that the west has been at war with the Muslim world? Are you not taking a side? Do you not see yourself as part of the Muslim world?
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #65 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:15pm I don't think many Muslims would feel comfortable answering that.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #66 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:28pm You are very perceptive Annie.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #67 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:32pm So why are you badgering him?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #68 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:40pm Because he appears to think he is at war with us. Do you think that is the sort of thing we should politely ignore?
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Reply #69 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:47pm

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

Falah, do you share Abu's view that the west has been at war with the Muslim world?

Of course the West is at war with the Muslim world. Why did the US invade the only Islamic state in the world - Afghanistan?

When Somalia developed another Islamic state, why did the US bribe Ethiopia to invade Somalia?

When Somalia again established an Islamic government after driving the Ethiopians out, why did the US then bribe Uganda and Burundi to attack Somalia?

Why did the US attack Iraq?

Why is the US attacking Muslims in Mindanao?

Why did the US bomb a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan?

Why is the US funding anti-Islam groups in Egypt to spread their propaganda?

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

Are you not taking a side?

I utmost and foremost align myself with God Almighty.

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

Do you not see yourself as part of the Muslim world?

Depends what you mean by "Muslim world". I was born in Australia, not an Islamic state. Therefore, i am restricted by the laws enforced in the country. I do, however, advocate that Australian people convert to Islam, as Abu Rashid and myself have done, as well as many thousands of others.

I suggest you ask Jews whether their allegiance is to Australia or Judaism/Israel. How many Australian Jews receive terrorist training in israel?

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Reply #70 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:50pm

Does he? Or does he believe the West have made it a policy to invade the countries of Muslims and slaughter them? Look at the last 100 years and tell me how you'd feel if you were a Muslim.

We've been butting our noses in, installing dicators, setting them up and tearing them down. We turn a blind eye when those same dicators commit atrocites on a horrifying scale then invade or take other measures to destabilise them, starting the whole process over again.

Read this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/the-shameful-islamophobia-at-the-heart-of-britains-press-861096.html

Watch ACA or Today Tonight (painful as it may be) and have a look at how Muslims are portrayed in the media.

So maybe it's not war, but it still sucks.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #71 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:52pm lol. Well, he obviously does.
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Reply #72 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 7:14pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 9^th, 2011 at 6:52pm:

lol. Well, he obviously does.

As a citizen of Australia, the only war I am engaged in is a war of ideas - against those who oppose God Almighty. Australia hasn't reached the stage of Nazi Germany in terms of prosecuting people for their ideas, but I imagine people like Freediver would have liked John Howard to go further down that path.

As for actual war, that should only be undertaken between opposing states. Obviously, I am not a state, and as I said I am restricted by the laws enforced in the land that I live in.

I am not an agressor against anyone. But will defend myself if attacked.

The West attacks Islam and Muslims because it is dishonourable, and does not follow high standards of ethical behaviour. [/quote]

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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: West at war with Muslim world since 1920s? Reply #73 - Oct 9^th, 2011 at 7:21pm Perhaps freediver can tell us who his allegiance is to? Nationalism, secularism, Christianism, judaism, hedonism, etc.?
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