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Why are there, haves, and have nots ?
Aug 10th, 2011 at 12:16pm
 


In the Thinking Globally - London Burns- 35 Police Officers Injured In Riots thread mozzaok said.....

mozzaok wrote on Aug 9th, 2011 at 10:42am:
I am very familiar with a few of the areas worst hit, and the more well off should be very wary.

People living in a two tiered society can harbour deep resentments against those they consider as being unfairly privileged.

I remember Andrei asking me once why we should have welfare at all, why the wealthy should do anything to help support the less well off, and I told him then, that if you do not, and the disparity between haves, and have nots, grows too wide, then the have nots will rise against the haves and just take what they want, and I do believe there is an element of that in this current London situation.


The resentment against the corporate and financial world that has created the economic turmoil of the last few years, has been growing, and to see a backlash is not a great surprise for me.




LOL

Are we seeing on our TV screens, the righteous rioting in the UK / London, of the 'have nots' ???






Why are there, haves, and have nots ?

Are our circumstances [here], all just an unfair accident of birth ?



I would rather ask;
Why do some people tend towards being creative and industrious, while some people are profligate [i.e. 'uber' consumers Smiley ] and tend towards idleness ?

And do those without 'wealth' [the 'have nots'] have the right to take whatever they desire, because they are obviously justified, in taking from those who 'have' ???





And now another question....
Should those who create and provide services and goods, and create [the 'common'] wealth be forced [compelled!] to share their created wealth with those who produce, ....well, very little.
......except producing their incessant whining, and demands for a 'piece of the cake' ?

And do we believe in [wish to live in!] a society where the merit, and the industry and the creativity of individuals, should be rewarded ???

And if poverty is a justification for rioting and looting, why are the overwhelming majority of the poor in countries like, for example India, mostly peaceable and law abiding souls ???

Is it because such people are merely fools, being 'put upon' by their wealthy neighbours ???






Proverbs 22:24
Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go:
25  Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

...
ISLAMIC 'rage boy'




Proverbs 28:7
Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father.

Jeremiah 22:17
But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it.

1 Peter 4:3
For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4  Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:



p.s.

And i gotta tell ya, i am certain, that God is a capitalist.

Proof of that fact is 'littered' throughout the OT bible, and is revealed even in many of the parables of Jesus.



And i gotta tell ya, [if what i suspect is correct] God [who is
"the God of the spirits of all flesh"
] has a good use, a good 'reward' [in the afterlife], for those idle and contentious souls who would ease their 'dis-content', by turning to riot and/or the robbery of their fellows.

And i can assure you socialists, that you won't like what he has in mind !        Grin

But maybe that is why you socialists are invariably all atheists, and innately, are God haters / deniers ?




Philippians 4:11
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.


1 Timothy 6:6
But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7  For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8  And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.


Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #1 - Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:38pm
 
Some have just a desire to achieve, become wealthy and have a quality of life.
Some have not.

Some have a desire to have children, impregnate another man's woman, take low responsibilities in life.
Some have not.

The essence of a position of privilege is a 'non-sexual' one.
The passing on that position of privilege is a 'non-blood' related one.
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Reply #2 - Nov 30th, 2019 at 11:36pm
 
The World is imperfect
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Reply #3 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 6:46am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30th, 2019 at 11:36pm:

The World is imperfect



More so, the effect of human passions and hormones, upon our lives.
- Yadda

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Reply #4 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 8:36am
 
You watch American Politics.
You watch how the position of President slowly becomes a 'Blood' association as the Kennedy's, the Clintons, the Bush's, the Trumps, and others become 'rightful heirs' to the Presidential throne.
No longer a public vote.
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Reply #5 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 10th, 2011 at 12:16pm:
Why do some people tend towards being creative and industrious, while some people are profligate [i.e. 'uber' consumers Smiley ] and tend towards idleness ?



That old myth that the harder you work the richer you get.
It's nothing but a myth to make us first worlders feel less guilt.

Studies have shown that by far the greatest indicator of whether you will grow up wealthy is whether you have rich parents.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/29/study-to-succeed-in-america-its-better-to-be-bor...
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Reply #6 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 10:31pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 11th, 2019 at 8:06pm:

That old myth that the harder you work the richer you get.

It's nothing but a myth to make us first worlders feel less guilt.


Studies have shown that by far the greatest indicator of whether you will grow up wealthy is whether you have rich parents.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/29/study-to-succeed-in-america-its-better-to-be-bor...





Yes, its true.....
Our circumstances in this life, are all just an unfair accident of birth.

It is just so unfair, that my daddy wasn't Bill Gates, or the King of Saudi Arabia, or Tony Stark !

So just stop copulating !!!!!!     ....all of you thoughtless, selfish, poor people !




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Reply #7 - Dec 11th, 2019 at 10:35pm
 
Because there are Dos and Do nots
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Reply #8 - Dec 12th, 2019 at 7:34am
 
The time for Islam and China to attack is NOW!

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Reply #9 - Dec 12th, 2019 at 12:51pm
 
I started out as one of the poorest people in Australia, I could hardly afford much more than my weekly train ticket from my 1st year apprenticeship pay. Did that deter me? No, I then did 2nd year, 3rd year, 4th year and 5th year. Then 2 years forced military conscription which kept me as poor as 5th year apprenticeship pay, nothing in the bank all those 7 years and no prospect of getting credit from a financial institution. I had nothing, only an old worn out jalopy

The Govt said conscripts could go back to their place of employment after the two years and get our jobs back. At the end of the two years a recession was setting in and my former employer gave me a flat "NO" - I was back to square one with only a trade certificate and the old jalopy to my name. The military gave me nothing except skills to kill people, a truck license and poor prospects for the future. No one wanted to employ an ex-conscript so I hid the fact I was conscripted everywhere I went

Did I give up? No, I did what society expected me to do, find work and earn money to get ahead, not whinge about having nothing, not rioting in the streets or stabbing people, nor robbing phone shops or invading homes

I'm now moderately rich, living comfortably as a result of getting on top of things, decades of earning a wage and smart saving in spite of the initial catastrophic setbacks in the early years of my working career

Being poor is only a state of mind to be overcome, not through violence, but going out and working to get what makes you happy, without expecting a CEO's pay or assets. Set realistic goals and achieve them
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Reply #10 - Dec 12th, 2019 at 1:38pm
 


@ Reply #9


Bias,

Well done !

Well done, on your good heart, and your persistence to 'get back up', and try again,
and to not give up, and to not whine about how lucky everyone else is.

Any person with a clean heart, and with good intentions, and a willingness to work honestly, can get ahead and make a success of themselves, in a nation like Australia.



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Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.


Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


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Reply #11 - Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:04pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
I started out as one of the poorest people in Australia, I could hardly afford much more than my weekly train ticket from my 1st year apprenticeship pay. Did that deter me? No, I then did 2nd year, 3rd year, 4th year and 5th year. Then 2 years forced military conscription which kept me as poor as 5th year apprenticeship pay, nothing in the bank all those 7 years and no prospect of getting credit from a financial institution. I had nothing, only an old worn out jalopy

The Govt said conscripts could go back to their place of employment after the two years and get our jobs back. At the end of the two years a recession was setting in and my former employer gave me a flat "NO" - I was back to square one with only a trade certificate and the old jalopy to my name. The military gave me nothing except skills to kill people, a truck license and poor prospects for the future. No one wanted to employ an ex-conscript so I hid the fact I was conscripted everywhere I went

Did I give up? No, I did what society expected me to do, find work and earn money to get ahead, not whinge about having nothing, not rioting in the streets or stabbing people, nor robbing phone shops or invading homes

I'm now moderately rich, living comfortably as a result of getting on top of things, decades of earning a wage and smart saving in spite of the initial catastrophic setbacks in the early years of my working career

Being poor is only a state of mind to be overcome, not through violence, but going out and working to get what makes you happy, without expecting a CEO's pay or assets. Set realistic goals and achieve them


You don't seem rich to me.
You sound like you still wear your raggedy-man clothes.
I don't think you've made it yet.
But don't give up.
That's what the Tortoise did - 'not give up'.
Until then, this Topic is not for Proles. You need to go back down to your level to post here. Ok?
There's a good 'boy'.
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Reply #12 - Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:15pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
I started out as one of the poorest people in Australia, I could hardly afford much more than my weekly train ticket from my 1st year apprenticeship pay. Did that deter me? No, I then did 2nd year, 3rd year, 4th year and 5th year. Then 2 years forced military conscription which kept me as poor as 5th year apprenticeship pay, nothing in the bank all those 7 years and no prospect of getting credit from a financial institution. I had nothing, only an old worn out jalopy

The Govt said conscripts could go back to their place of employment after the two years and get our jobs back. At the end of the two years a recession was setting in and my former employer gave me a flat "NO" - I was back to square one with only a trade certificate and the old jalopy to my name. The military gave me nothing except skills to kill people, a truck license and poor prospects for the future. No one wanted to employ an ex-conscript so I hid the fact I was conscripted everywhere I went

Did I give up? No, I did what society expected me to do, find work and earn money to get ahead, not whinge about having nothing, not rioting in the streets or stabbing people, nor robbing phone shops or invading homes

I'm now moderately rich, living comfortably as a result of getting on top of things, decades of earning a wage and smart saving in spite of the initial catastrophic setbacks in the early years of my working career

Being poor is only a state of mind to be overcome, not through violence, but going out and working to get what makes you happy, without expecting a CEO's pay or assets. Set realistic goals and achieve them


You don't seem rich to me.
You sound like you still wear your raggedy-man clothes.
I don't think you've made it yet.
But don't give up.
That's what the Tortoise did - 'not give up'.
Until then, this Topic is not for Proles. You need to go back down to your level to post here. Ok?
There's a good 'boy'.


Well tell us your story of rags to riches

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Reply #13 - Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:24pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:15pm:
Jasin wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
I started out as one of the poorest people in Australia, I could hardly afford much more than my weekly train ticket from my 1st year apprenticeship pay. Did that deter me? No, I then did 2nd year, 3rd year, 4th year and 5th year. Then 2 years forced military conscription which kept me as poor as 5th year apprenticeship pay, nothing in the bank all those 7 years and no prospect of getting credit from a financial institution. I had nothing, only an old worn out jalopy

The Govt said conscripts could go back to their place of employment after the two years and get our jobs back. At the end of the two years a recession was setting in and my former employer gave me a flat "NO" - I was back to square one with only a trade certificate and the old jalopy to my name. The military gave me nothing except skills to kill people, a truck license and poor prospects for the future. No one wanted to employ an ex-conscript so I hid the fact I was conscripted everywhere I went

Did I give up? No, I did what society expected me to do, find work and earn money to get ahead, not whinge about having nothing, not rioting in the streets or stabbing people, nor robbing phone shops or invading homes

I'm now moderately rich, living comfortably as a result of getting on top of things, decades of earning a wage and smart saving in spite of the initial catastrophic setbacks in the early years of my working career

Being poor is only a state of mind to be overcome, not through violence, but going out and working to get what makes you happy, without expecting a CEO's pay or assets. Set realistic goals and achieve them


You don't seem rich to me.
You sound like you still wear your raggedy-man clothes.
I don't think you've made it yet.
But don't give up.
That's what the Tortoise did - 'not give up'.
Until then, this Topic is not for Proles. You need to go back down to your level to post here. Ok?
There's a good 'boy'.


Well tell us your story of rags to riches


Oh don't get me wrong dear fellow.
I've never worn the rags.
Sorry.
Now off you go.  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Dec 12th, 2019 at 7:33pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 12th, 2019 at 6:24pm:
Oh don't get me wrong dear fellow.
I've never worn the rags.
Sorry.



You're being a bit evasive and vague JaSin, which is an improvement on your usual incoherent posts

My story is about not whinging, but working my way out of adverse conditions set by governments and economic restraints to finally acquire some humble assets plus some. At times I relied on the dole but in a minimal and responsible way. Once, when I got a job way out west I had to write to the dole office to stop sending cheques, they knew I had a job but kept sending them, another one arrived before they finally stopped. The taxes I paid repaid the dole payments many times over

Being rich is relative, what one bloke considers "rich" is another blokes small change. I have no more than what the average baby boomer has and I'm very happy with what I've got because I came from a poor family, we struggled for many years after the war like many others did
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