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If Norway, why not AUS?
Jul 25th, 2011 at 11:50pm
 
Some of what this guy was saying is disturbingly similar to the right-ards on this forum. Should the AFP be paying more attention to right wing extremism in this country?  Angry

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Islamophobia manifested in Oslo

Back in 2009, I wrote a piece for New Matilda on the rise of the Islamophobic right in Europe and the United States, in which I noted the mainstreaming of a violent, apocalyptic anti-Muslim discourse.

The people writing the stuff – the bloggers, the pundits, the intellectuals – were not, I suggested, themselves necessarily given to violence. But, as I said, "you can't warn against looming race wars over the future of civilisation, and not expect the boots-and-braces crowd to launch a preemptive strike".

It's increasingly clear that's what's happened in Oslo.

In his lengthy manifesto, Anders Behring Breivik, spells out the justification for his attack on the Labour Party youth camp. In essence, he feared that Europe was becoming Islamified and he blamed the proponents of multiculturalism for allowing it to happen.

In other words, he saw, explicitly, his crimes as political – as the opening shots in a broader war against Muslims and their allies.

When the news of the massacre first broke, media outlets around the world reported that a terrorist atrocity was taking place. But that was because they assimilated the news to the familiar narrative of Al Qaeda, almost entirely on the basis of unsourced claims from a so-called 'terrorism expert' that a jihadi group had taken responsibility.

Even today, many commentators are refusing to entirely abandon the Islamic angle story, suggesting, for instance, that Breivik represented "a mutation of Al Qaeda/Jihadist tactics".

Other commentators, now that they know he's not a Muslim, have dismissed Breivik as a lunatic rather than a terrorist.

Now, in some senses, anyone who would carry out such vile acts is, almost by definition, not right in the head.

But have a look at Breivik's manifesto. It's hateful, yes, but it's perfectly coherent. The guy's not a professional writer and the translation is pretty rough but the text is certainly not the ravings of a schizophrenic.

Indeed, what's most striking is how familiar much of it is. Huge swathes of the document are indistinguishable from what you'd find on any of the big 'counter jihadi' blogs of the Islamophobic right.

Sergey Romanov, a blogger at Little Green Footballs (a site that has broken with the Islamophobic right precisely because of its increasingly violent rhetoric), has posted (scroll down) a word cloud based on Breivik's writings. The most-used terms are 'cultural', 'conservative' and 'multiculturalism'.

Romanov describes how Breivik harbours "resentment against the mainstream media for pushing a culturally Marxist agenda and covering up Muslim wrong-doing and the negative effects of mass immigration and multiculturalism in Europe generally … he felt that the politically correct agenda was completely unchallenged by the mainstream press".

These are standard talking points for anti-Islam conservatives. Romanov points to the following assessment from a blogger writing for the symptomatically-named Islam Versus Europe site:

There is very little that [Breivik]said that I would disagree with. It is clear that he is a Counterjihadist and visits the same sites that most of us do, Gates of Vienna, Jihadwatch, Atlas Shrugs, etc. He is intelligent, thoughtful and well-read.  […]

Breivik also follows political developments in Britain and reads the Telegraph and Daily Mail. The revelation of the Labour government's conspiracy to flood the country with immigrants to "rub the right's nose in diversity" was of great interest to him. I'm sure the bien-pensants in the British left will now want to reflect soberly on the folly of pushing people too far.

Crucially, Breivik is not a traditional goose-stepping fascist. In fact, he explicitly condemns the crude biological racism of the old right, favouring instead groups like the English Defence League - organisations that claimed not to be racist, so much as concerned about defending European culture. As Matthew Goodwin notes in the Guardian, Breivik endorses the EDL's:

... rejection of traditional white supremacist discourse and racism, and their decision to oppose Islam on cultural grounds. This distinction between traditional race-based forms of rightwing extremism … and a new anti-Muslim narrative reflects a broader change within the European far right. Rather than oppose immigration and Islam on racial grounds (an argument that would attract little support), the emphasis shifts on to the more socially acceptable issue of culture: Muslims are not biologically inferior, but they are culturally incompatible, so the argument goes.

The connection that Breivik drew between radical Islam and leftist supporters of multiculturalism is, again, a staple of the Islamophobic right.

In his manifesto Breivik cited, some 46 times, the work of Robert Spencer, the co-founder of Stop Islamization of America, and a prolific Islamophobic author. As Loonwatch points out, Spencer's site "Jihad Watch is filled with posts denouncing the 'Leftist/Jihadist alliance', warning his readers of how the left will happily allow the Muslim hordes to overthrow the West and 'dhimmify' its population".


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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 11:23am:
So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&
 
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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 11:52pm
 
Rub 2 brain cells together and report it to the AFP if that is what you feel.
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Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:09am
 
Wed have dangerous terrorist orders like the one the Norwegian gunman belonged to right here in Australia infecting our freemarket right wing Junta.  The White Knights and the Freemasons - they are the terrorists....
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Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:12am
 



As for specific Australian references in the Manifesto, the link below indicates that the Norway nutjob deferred to none other than John Winston Howard and Cardinal George Pell...amongst others!


http://left-flank.blogspot.com/

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Monday, July 25, 2011

Australia’s Islamophobes & right-wing ideologues praised in Breivik’s manifesto

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From p. 680:

Luckily, not all Christian leaders are appeasers of Islam. One of the intelligent ones comes from Australia, a country that has been fairly resistant to Political Correctness. They have taken serious steps towards actually enforcing their own borders, despite the predictable outcries from various NGOs and anti-racists, and Prime Minister John Howard has repeatedly proven to be one of the most sensible leaders in the Western world. George Cardinal Pell, Archbishop of Sydney, tells of how September 11 was a wakeup call for him personally:

“I recognised that I had to know more about Islam.” “In my own reading of the Koran, I began to note down invocations to violence. There are so many of them, however, that I abandoned this exercise after 50 or 60 or 70 pages.” “The predominant grammatical form in which jihad is used in the Koran carries the sense of fighting or waging war.” “Considered strictly on its own terms, Islam is not a tolerant religion and its capacity for fear-reaching renovation is severely limited.” “I’d also say that Islam is a much more war-like culture than Christianity.” “I’ve had it asserted to me is that in the relationship between the Islamic and non-Islamic world, the normal thing is a situation of tension if not war, or outright hostility.”

There’s also kind words for Peter Costello telling Muslims to behave (p. 520), and a link to the Australian Protectionist Party (p. 1250).



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Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!
 
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Reply #4 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:13am
 
IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:09am:
Wed have dangerous terrorist orders like the one the Norwegian gunman belonged to right here in Australia infecting our freemarket right wing Junta.  The White Knights and the Freemasons - they are the terrorists....
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What do you think "the people" should do to stop these Freemson terrorists?!
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Reply #5 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:19am
 
astro_surf wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:13am:
IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:09am:
Wed have dangerous terrorist orders like the one the Norwegian gunman belonged to right here in Australia infecting our freemarket right wing Junta.  The White Knights and the Freemasons - they are the terrorists....
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What do you think "the people" should do to stop these Freemson terrorists?!

Honest citizens can take decisive action to stop organized state terrorism
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Reply #6 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:22am
 
IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:19am:
astro_surf wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:13am:
IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 12:09am:
Wed have dangerous terrorist orders like the one the Norwegian gunman belonged to right here in Australia infecting our freemarket right wing Junta.  The White Knights and the Freemasons - they are the terrorists....
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What do you think "the people" should do to stop these Freemson terrorists?!

Honest citizens can take decisive action to stop organized state terrorism


Right on! What kind of "decisive action" do you propose?!  Smiley
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Should the AFP be paying more attention to right wing extremism in this country? 


I think the responses from our two resident right wing loony extremists answer that question for you, astro _ surf.
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Reply #8 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:39am
 
Sure does! Breivik is a climate denier, too. The parallels are quite scary.  Angry
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astro_surf wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:39am:
Sure does! Breivik is a climate denier, too. The parallels are quite scary.  Angry

Which IS another interesting point, have you noticed that while many people that vote for right wing parties believe in climate change those who are deniers are very much the domain of the extreme loony right?
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Reply #10 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:43am
 
astro_surf wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:39am:
Sure does! Breivik is a climate denier, too. The parallels are quite scary.  Angry


wow... when you go 'off the reservation' you go off a long way, dont you? Your credibility is diving so fast you might soon join skippy and iwontpaymybills.
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Reply #11 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:53am
 
skippy. wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:42am:
astro_surf wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 8:39am:
Sure does! Breivik is a climate denier, too. The parallels are quite scary.  Angry

Which IS another interesting point, have you noticed that while many people that vote right for wing parties believe in climate change those who are deniers are very much the domain of the extreme loony right?


Yup, because to deny reality to that degree invariably requires the denier to start concocting vast conspiracies in their mind to fill the void of WHY and HOW such an elaborate fraud could be perpetrated. That's why you start hearing about One World Government/UN conspiracies.

Those sort of people have a predilection towards extreme loony-ism and a tendency towards violent responses.

I think it is very, very worrying that so many loons on this forum seem to share so much in common with this terrorist.

ASIO should be watching them very carefully, imo.
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