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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #90 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:55am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
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Islam does not force anyone to do or believe anything.


Can you clarify? How do you reconcile this with, for example, the death penalty for apostasy? Is it because people get a choice between death and doing what the Muslims tell them to do?

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Is it not a 'personal freedom' to reject democracy if I choose to do so?


No one is stopping you. You are free to do as you please, up until your actions begin to deny other people their freedom.

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Funny hey, for you its ok to reject my doctrine, but I can't reject yours. And you have the nerve to talk about 'personal freedoms'. I look forward to the day you actually practise what you preach!


Not true. Under Islamic law, the penalty for rejecting Islam is death, regardless of the implications for national security. Under Australian law, the converse is not true. You are given extraordinary freedom in comparison.

The hypocrisy is all yours Les. You complain that we criticise the stupid things you say. You claim it limits your freedom. Yet you would replace it with a system where people would be killed for speaking their mind.


Well put.

Tis a pity the message will probably fail to get through .. again.
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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #91 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 1:10pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
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Islam does not force anyone to do or believe anything.


Can you clarify? How do you reconcile this with, for example, the death penalty for apostasy? Is it because people get a choice between death and doing what the Muslims tell them to do?

Quote:
Is it not a 'personal freedom' to reject democracy if I choose to do so?


No one is stopping you. You are free to do as you please, up until your actions begin to deny other people their freedom.

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Funny hey, for you its ok to reject my doctrine, but I can't reject yours. And you have the nerve to talk about 'personal freedoms'. I look forward to the day you actually practise what you preach!


Not true. Under Islamic law, the penalty for rejecting Islam is death, regardless of the implications for national security. Under Australian law, the converse is not true. You are given extraordinary freedom in comparison.

The hypocrisy is all yours Les. You complain that we criticise the stupid things you say. You claim it limits your freedom. Yet you would replace it with a system where people would be killed for speaking their mind.


Well put.

Tis a pity the message will probably fail to get through .. again.


Do you ever actually have anything to contribute, or are you only good at wearing your poms poms and cheering like a dumb bimbo.

Then again, you do play that dumb bimbo role very well.
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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #92 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 2:02pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
Quote:
Islam does not force anyone to do or believe anything.


Can you clarify? How do you reconcile this with, for example, the death penalty for apostasy? Is it because people get a choice between death and doing what the Muslims tell them to do?

Quote:
Is it not a 'personal freedom' to reject democracy if I choose to do so?


No one is stopping you. You are free to do as you please, up until your actions begin to deny other people their freedom.

Quote:
Funny hey, for you its ok to reject my doctrine, but I can't reject yours. And you have the nerve to talk about 'personal freedoms'. I look forward to the day you actually practise what you preach!


Not true. Under Islamic law, the penalty for rejecting Islam is death, regardless of the implications for national security. Under Australian law, the converse is not true. You are given extraordinary freedom in comparison.

The hypocrisy is all yours Les. You complain that we criticise the stupid things you say. You claim it limits your freedom. Yet you would replace it with a system where people would be killed for speaking their mind.


Well put.

Tis a pity the message will probably fail to get through .. again.


Do you ever actually have anything to contribute ...



Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:55pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:26am:
Did you cum in your pants when you read this article? Be honest?

Cheesy


This disgusting post sums up Lestat quite well.

We ought to keep it in mind whenever we see him post.



Speaking of contributions ..
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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #93 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 2:33pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 2:02pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
Quote:
Islam does not force anyone to do or believe anything.


Can you clarify? How do you reconcile this with, for example, the death penalty for apostasy? Is it because people get a choice between death and doing what the Muslims tell them to do?

Quote:
Is it not a 'personal freedom' to reject democracy if I choose to do so?


No one is stopping you. You are free to do as you please, up until your actions begin to deny other people their freedom.

Quote:
Funny hey, for you its ok to reject my doctrine, but I can't reject yours. And you have the nerve to talk about 'personal freedoms'. I look forward to the day you actually practise what you preach!


Not true. Under Islamic law, the penalty for rejecting Islam is death, regardless of the implications for national security. Under Australian law, the converse is not true. You are given extraordinary freedom in comparison.

The hypocrisy is all yours Les. You complain that we criticise the stupid things you say. You claim it limits your freedom. Yet you would replace it with a system where people would be killed for speaking their mind.


Well put.

Tis a pity the message will probably fail to get through .. again.


Do you ever actually have anything to contribute ...



Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:55pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:26am:
Did you cum in your pants when you read this article? Be honest?

Cheesy


This disgusting post sums up Lestat quite well.

We ought to keep it in mind whenever we see him post.



Speaking of contributions ..


No less then you deserve.....
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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #94 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 3:10pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 10:03am:
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
The hypocrisy is all yours Les. You complain that we criticise the stupid things you say. You claim it limits your freedom. Yet you would replace it with a system where people would be killed for speaking their mind.


lol, there you go, lieing again. Please, show me where I said that 'it limits my freedom'. A quote will suffice.

Once again, you make something up to support your argument, why am I not surprised.

And under Islam, people are not killed for speaking their minds.


Once again, another lie to cover up the fact that your argument is devoid of facts and substance.






An example of how,
"under Islam, people are not killed for speaking their minds."


And an example of the degree to which, people living within Sharia jurisdictions, are free to speak their minds.

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Atheist living under Palestinian Authority still in jail for "defaming Islam" on Internet

"Rights groups have criticized his arrest as a demonstration of the limits on free speech under the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, which has trawled Internet sites like Facebook as part of a crackdown on dissent and unpopular views.
...Days after his arrest, shocked [local] residents called for him to be killed as a warning to others."



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/12/atheist-living-under-palestinian-authority-jai...


As far as i know, this person has not been killed, yet.

This person has only been threatened with death, for expressing an opinion critical of ISLAM.

So it would be ridiculous to suggest that this person would at all be frightened of expressing his opinion of ISLAM, in the future.
/sarc off




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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #95 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 3:40pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 3:10pm:

An example of how,
"under Islam, people are not killed for speaking their minds."


And an example of the degree to which, people living within Sharia jurisdictions, are free to speak their minds.

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Atheist living under Palestinian Authority still in jail for "defaming Islam" on Internet

"Rights groups have criticized his arrest as a demonstration of the limits on free speech under the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, which has trawled Internet sites like Facebook as part of a crackdown on dissent and unpopular views.
...Days after his arrest, shocked [local] residents called for him to be killed as a warning to others."



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/12/atheist-living-under-palestinian-authority-jai...







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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #96 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 3:49pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 2:33pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 2:02pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
Quote:
Islam does not force anyone to do or believe anything.


Can you clarify? How do you reconcile this with, for example, the death penalty for apostasy? Is it because people get a choice between death and doing what the Muslims tell them to do?

Quote:
Is it not a 'personal freedom' to reject democracy if I choose to do so?


No one is stopping you. You are free to do as you please, up until your actions begin to deny other people their freedom.

Quote:
Funny hey, for you its ok to reject my doctrine, but I can't reject yours. And you have the nerve to talk about 'personal freedoms'. I look forward to the day you actually practise what you preach!


Not true. Under Islamic law, the penalty for rejecting Islam is death, regardless of the implications for national security. Under Australian law, the converse is not true. You are given extraordinary freedom in comparison.

The hypocrisy is all yours Les. You complain that we criticise the stupid things you say. You claim it limits your freedom. Yet you would replace it with a system where people would be killed for speaking their mind.


Well put.

Tis a pity the message will probably fail to get through .. again.


Do you ever actually have anything to contribute ...



Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:55pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:26am:
Did you cum in your pants when you read this article? Be honest?

Cheesy


This disgusting post sums up Lestat quite well.

We ought to keep it in mind whenever we see him post.



Speaking of contributions ..


No less then you deserve.....


Lestat .. that comment only makes you look worse than ever.
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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #97 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 3:56pm
 
You know Lestat, my God is not afraid of people who do not believe in him.

He just says that such people are dumb.




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Lestat,

Why is your God, Allah, so, so, afraid of people who do not believe in him ???

Is he afraid that they may hurt him ???



In the following Hadith, is described, how Mohammad himself secures the political assassination of an enemy of Allah, the powerless, hurt, God.....

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"....."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith...

Q.
I ask, how can a man, hurt God ????




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Reply #98 - Jul 13th, 2011 at 9:27am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 3:49pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 2:33pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 2:02pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 12th, 2011 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
Quote:
Islam does not force anyone to do or believe anything.


Can you clarify? How do you reconcile this with, for example, the death penalty for apostasy? Is it because people get a choice between death and doing what the Muslims tell them to do?

Quote:
Is it not a 'personal freedom' to reject democracy if I choose to do so?


No one is stopping you. You are free to do as you please, up until your actions begin to deny other people their freedom.

Quote:
Funny hey, for you its ok to reject my doctrine, but I can't reject yours. And you have the nerve to talk about 'personal freedoms'. I look forward to the day you actually practise what you preach!


Not true. Under Islamic law, the penalty for rejecting Islam is death, regardless of the implications for national security. Under Australian law, the converse is not true. You are given extraordinary freedom in comparison.

The hypocrisy is all yours Les. You complain that we criticise the stupid things you say. You claim it limits your freedom. Yet you would replace it with a system where people would be killed for speaking their mind.


Well put.

Tis a pity the message will probably fail to get through .. again.


Do you ever actually have anything to contribute ...



Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:55pm:
Lestat wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:26am:
Did you cum in your pants when you read this article? Be honest?

Cheesy


This disgusting post sums up Lestat quite well.

We ought to keep it in mind whenever we see him post.



Speaking of contributions ..


No less then you deserve.....


Lestat .. that comment only makes you look worse than ever.


Coming from you, and the disgusting human being you have shown yourself to be, I'll take that as a compliment.
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Re: In defence of Islam
Reply #99 - Jul 13th, 2011 at 9:33pm
 
Lestat .. given your blatant disrespect for yourself as well as the revolting manner in which you disregard women .. your latest vomitous contribution has proven what many of us have always suspected: you're beyond redemption.

Then again .. vile creatures like yourself have always been so.
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Reply #100 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 7:59am
 
Lestat,

In defence of ISLAM and Sharia, do you count ISLAMIC rape laws as being just ???

In defence of ISLAM.


"Pakistani Islamic party leader: a woman should not report rape unless she has four witnesses"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/pakistani-islamic-party-leader-a-woman-should-...


In Sharia jurisdictions, when a woman is raped, Sharia law requires that the woman must produce four >>MALE<< witnesses before a charge is brought against the rapist.
TRUE!





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Further, under ISLAMIC inheritance law.
Any daughter receives 1/2 the entitlement of any male heir.
e.g.
Where there is a son, and a daughter, to inherit an estate.
The estate is divided into 3 parts.
The son receives 2 parts.
The daughter receives 1 part.
TRUE!

"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half...."
Koran 4.11




And do you agree Lestat, with Mohammed and Allah, that women are "deficient in intelligence", and that they are unreliable witnesses [i.e. women are liable to tell untruths.....
"A racist policeman tried to tear off my burqa!!!!!"
]   ????

"Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.006.301

"On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #002.024.541


Coz they [women] are all pathological liars.

They just cannot help themselves.

True Lestat ????

"A racist policeman tried to tear off my burqa!!!!!"


Google;
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I don't believe that it is women Lestat, who are pathological [i.e. they cannot help themselves] liars.

I believe it is all moslems, who are the pathological liars.


Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit


Google;
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Reply #101 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 9:34am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 13th, 2011 at 9:33pm:
Lestat .. given your blatant disrespect for yourself as well as the revolting manner in which you disregard women .. your latest vomitous contribution has proven what many of us have always suspected: you're beyond redemption.

Then again .. vile creatures like yourself have always been so.


lol, don't mistake disrespect for myself with disrespect for you. Its you Lisa, and I notice I am not alone in this regards.

And I don't disregard women, I disregard 'YOU'. Don't you get it, it is you that is the disgusting human being...you, not women, not anyone else, but YOU.

So I suggest you get off your high horse, and take a long hard look at yourself, and ask yourself why and how you became the disgusting human being that you now are.

When did you become a racist bigot? Your parents must be ashamed!
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Reply #102 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 9:45am
 
Lestat wrote on Jul 14th, 2011 at 9:34am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 13th, 2011 at 9:33pm:
Lestat .. given your blatant disrespect for yourself as well as the revolting manner in which you disregard women .. your latest vomitous contribution has proven what many of us have always suspected: you're beyond redemption.

Then again .. vile creatures like yourself have always been so.



lol, don't mistake disrespect for myself with disrespect for you. Its you Lisa, and I notice I am not alone in this regards.

And I don't disregard women, I disregard 'YOU'. Don't you get it, it is you that is the disgusting human being...you, not women, not anyone else, but YOU.

So I suggest you get off your high horse, and take a long hard look at yourself, and ask yourself why and how you became the disgusting human being that you now are.

When did you become a racist bigot? Your parents must be ashamed!




Lisa,

I hope that you will not reply to Lestat.

She is just baiting you.




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Proverbs 15:28
The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #103 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 11:09am
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2011 at 9:45am:
Lestat wrote on Jul 14th, 2011 at 9:34am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 13th, 2011 at 9:33pm:
Lestat .. given your blatant disrespect for yourself as well as the revolting manner in which you disregard women .. your latest vomitous contribution has proven what many of us have always suspected: you're beyond redemption.

Then again .. vile creatures like yourself have always been so.



lol, don't mistake disrespect for myself with disrespect for you. Its you Lisa, and I notice I am not alone in this regards.

And I don't disregard women, I disregard 'YOU'. Don't you get it, it is you that is the disgusting human being...you, not women, not anyone else, but YOU.

So I suggest you get off your high horse, and take a long hard look at yourself, and ask yourself why and how you became the disgusting human being that you now are.

When did you become a racist bigot? Your parents must be ashamed!




Lisa,

I hope that you will not reply to Lestat.

She is just baiting you.




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Proverbs 15:28
The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.




Well said Yadda! In any event I've already thrown enough of my pearls before this troll baiting swine.
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Reply #104 - Jul 14th, 2011 at 7:25pm
 
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Apostasy laws in Islam are to do with treason


They are also to do with apostasy. The fact that Islam requires a religious state may give it national security implications in extreme cases, but this does not change the fact that Islam imposes the death penalty for apostasy.

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just as the US and many countries in the west also punish treason with death


Maybe, but they do not punish apostasy with death. Can you see the difference?

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And whats there to clarify. Tell me, who in Australia has ever been forced to practise Islam. Do you have any examples.


Yet another weak attempt at diversion. This thread is about Islam, not Australian law.

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In fact, of the 2 billion muslims world wide, can you tell me in the last decade, how many have been given the death penalty for 'apostasy'.


If I did, wouldn;t you just complain that it was not a proper Islamic state so it does not count anyway?

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The ironic thing is only 2 or 3 countries in the world actually enforce this law, and even then, very rarely, yet you continously bring this up. And you wonder why we don't take you seriously.


I bring it up because it is part of Islam, which is what we are discussing.

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So whats your problem with Islam and muslims in Australia then?


I have made it very clear what my problem with Islam is. You are trying very deperately to change the topic to anything but Islam.

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By attacking Islam in Australia, are you not really attacking the right, for a muslims to have a different opinion then yours?


You are confusing the right to have an opinion with the right to promote evil ideologies without criticism.

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No Freediver, Under islamic law, the penalty for treason is death. Why do you keep peddling these lies?


Abu and Malik said it is true. So far you cannot bring yourself to deny that islam imposes death for apostasy, only to try to change the subject.

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I somehow suspect that this would change if you and some others here got their way.


Then you misunderstand what I am saying. I suggest you stick to what I actually say, not what you imagine my 'real intentions' are.
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