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Re: Israel/Palestine
Reply #105 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 2:24pm

Grey wrote on Jun 17^th, 2011 at 9:52pm:

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Palestina was but one of the regions, however there already was a Judea and Sumaria in the area as well.
The big difference between any potential claims made in England by Italians or Scotsman is markedly different to those made by Israel.
Why, because the Jews have always lived in the region.
Sure, most were driven away but many still remained.

The people of the region are the people of the region. Disregarding any gentic dilution the difference between Palestinians and Israelis/Jews is simply one of religion. Perhaps a better analogy would be the claiming of Nottinghamshire by Baptist descendants of the Mayflower Grin

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Only a few weeks ago a bright canary yellow schoolbus was hit with a Cornet anti tank missile fired from Gaza killing one 16 year old schoolkid and wounding others.
Would any country on the planet in the 21st century be inclined to negotiate large parcels of their land away in the hope that such acts of terrorism will stop?

The propaganda of tit for tat violence is pointless. I don't think the solution IS a 2 party state. That would simply extend the conflict forever. Something along the lines of a federal system with Jerusalem as the Capital territory would be far more promising.

Well Israel can certainly stop the tit for tat violence, but if you think the terrorists will also do the right thing you are very much mistaken.
They are sworn to Israel's destruction whether Israel lays down it's arms or not.
And would you be so inclined to say the same if it was a schoolbus in Sydney that was attacked in such a way.
Israel has no choice but to respond with force when terrorists attack it's citizens as any other democracy on the planet would.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95241 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Israel/Palestine Reply #106 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 2:45pm Chicken. Don't over simplify it. Israel is responsible for the murder of 1000's of innocent children. Have you forgotten military action in Lebanon & Gaza in recent times? What about unarmed protesters crossing the Golan Heights just weeks ago? You are very biased.
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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Israel/Palestine Reply #107 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 2:56pm Europe remains a hostile target for Israel.
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Reply #108 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 6:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 2:45pm:

Chicken.
Don't over simplify it.
Israel is responsible for the murder of 1000's of innocent children.
Have you forgotten military action in Lebanon & Gaza in recent times?
What about unarmed protesters crossing the Golan Heights just weeks ago?

You are very biased.

To say the least.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95241 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Israel/Palestine Reply #109 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 7:24pm Good link Grey. Quote: The Impact of the Conflict on Children: 124 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,463 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
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Reply #110 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 7:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 2:45pm:

Chicken.
Don't over simplify it.
Israel is responsible for the murder of 1000's of innocent children.
Have you forgotten military action in Lebanon & Gaza in recent times?
What about unarmed protesters crossing the Golan Heights just weeks ago?

You are very biased.

Why the bugger does your narration always start with "Don't forget, when the jews hit back, that caused the death of........"

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Cliff Richard Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 558	Re: Israel/Palestine Reply #111 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 7:48pm there may never be peace between israelis and palestinians but will there ever be peace between birds and pigs?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Israel/Palestine Reply #112 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 7:54pm That's funny coming from a Je.... er... Armenian.
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Cliff Richard Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 558	Re: Israel/Palestine Reply #113 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 8:02pm nah jews are pretty funny theres nothing remarkable about it
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Re: Israel/Palestine
Reply #114 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 8:37pm

Soren wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 2:45pm:

Chicken.
Don't over simplify it.
Israel is responsible for the murder of 1000's of innocent children.
Have you forgotten military action in Lebanon & Gaza in recent times?
What about unarmed protesters crossing the Golan Heights just weeks ago?

You are very biased.

Why the bugger does your narration always start with "Don't forget, when the jews hit back, that caused the death of........"

Soren - the Pallys have nothing - NOTHING.
The Jews have billions of dollars of the latest high tech weapons.
It's such an unfair war that the Pallys tie a bomb belt around
their waists & blow themselves up.
I think if other countries stop supplying Israel with weapons
the Jews will be forced to sit down & negotiate peace.
The Yanks give them billions of dollars of free high tech weapons every year.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Israel/Palestine Reply #115 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 9:26pm The Muslims will not accept Israel's right to exists. It's contrary to their religion and it is also their way of covering up their own, er, inadequacies as societies. You tell us what your counter-offer woul be from there, negotiating strategy-wise.
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Re: Israel/Palestine
Reply #116 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 11:18pm

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The Muslims will not accept Israel's right to exists. It's contrary to their religion

Palestinians were a secular people, not religious extremists. Only in modern times has Jewish extremism forced the adoption of a strident Islamist voice on them through the relatively well funded organisations HAMAS and HEZBULLAH.

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Ali Qleibo, a Palestinian anthropologist, explains:

"Throughout history a great diversity of peoples has moved into the region and made Palestine their homeland: Canaanites, Jebusites, Philistines from Crete, Anatolian and Lydian Greeks, Hebrews, Amorites, Edomites, Nabateans, Arameans, Romans, Arabs, and European crusaders, to name a few. Each of them appropriated different regions that overlapped in time and competed for sovereignty and land. Others, such as Ancient Egyptians, Hittites, Persians, Babylonians, and Mongols, were historical 'events' whose successive occupations were as ravaging as the effects of major earthquakes ... Like shooting stars, the various cultures shine for a brief moment before they fade out of official historical and cultural records of Palestine. The people, however, survive. In their customs and manners, fossils of these ancient civilizations survived until modernity—albeit modernity camouflaged under the veneer of Islam and Arabic culture."

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Re: Israel/Palestine
Reply #117 - Jun 18^th, 2011 at 11:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 7:24pm:

Good link Grey.

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The Impact of the Conflict on Children:

124 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,463 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

Of course.

Yes, i always believe what 'Palestinians' tell me, regards their justified struggle against those murderous Zionists.

Because 'Palestinians' are always scrupulously honest, candid, and truthful in all of their accounts ....NOT!, NOT!, NOT!

Google;

al dura hoax

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pallywood

Grey,
bobby,

These are people [moslems] who are willing to murder their own children, so as to create a media event, which will falsely cast blame upon Israelis.

These people....
"Arab world in revolt, how will the West fare?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58

THE TRUTH IS THAT....

ISLAM, is a lie.

Moslems promote that lie.

Moslems are a part of that lie.

E V E R Y D A Y - MOSLEMS LIE

ISLAM......is a false religion, for a false people.

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

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we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Grey,
bobby,

People like yourselves are giving comfort to wanna-be murderers.

And that is the 'moral' place, where persons such as yourself have chosen to stand.

The people who you choose to stand with, are the very same people who assert that ISLAM is a virtuous philosophy.

They are the very same people who throw acid in the faces of young women who dare to challenge their unjust authority.

Those are the people who you choose to stand with.

Google;
gaza women acid attack for not wearing hijab

Google;
acid attack gaza women Just Swords of Islam

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95241 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Israel/Palestine Reply #118 - Jun 19^th, 2011 at 12:10am Come on Yadda - get off the cooking sherry.
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Re: Israel/Palestine
Reply #119 - Jun 19^th, 2011 at 1:11am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 19^th, 2011 at 12:10am:

Come on Yadda - get off the cooking sherry.

Well bobby, you are the one standing with people, who have on innumerable occasions, clearly fabricated many accusations against Israel and the Jewish people.

But you choose to ignore the veracity of the exposures, of those fabricated accusations against Israel.

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Why is that bobby ?

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Because you chose to stand with, LAIRS, CHEAT'S, MURDERERS.

Google;

palestinian lies media watch

Google;

al dura hoax

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pallywood

It wasn't your fault was it bobby ?

You have no responsibility, in choosing to stand with deceivers, and murderers.

How could you know that people who had declared their wish to slaughter the Jewish people were wanna-be murderers ???

They told you, that they were the victims.

Right bobby ???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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