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May 20th, 2011, 6:36pm   Okay, how do we all feel about the lad's two state idea? A good start says I. 
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Reply #1 - May 20th, 2011, 6:53pm   He's probably gone as far as he politically can. I've never been a fan of a two state solution. It has after all been a failed policy for over 60 years. A Palestinian state would be an instant failed state with no water and  no money. Hard liners like Liebermann would drive Israels Arabs into it to get rid of the 'womb bomb'. Rockets would fly over the wall, situation normal.

The only solution that MIGHT produce peace in the long term is a multi-state federal system with Jerusalem as a capital territory. 
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Reply #2 - May 21st, 2011, 5:24am   A multi-state federal system? Are you talking something akin to our glorious commonwealth?  I can't see that working. It would just be a continuation of the subjugation by Israel that we've seen for the last several decades. On the face of it the two state concept at least allows for Palestinian self determination & (hopefully) would grant them international status. Boy, just imagine if they were admitted to NATO!

Perhaps those rockets would continue but I'd like to think that with a proper grounding in the internatinal community the more moderate Palestinian influences would rise to the top. Given self determination  & the opportunity for economic development their focus could be broader than just hating Israel. Both parties might end up being just being neighbours - bad neighbours perhaps. But better that than captor & prisoner.

You're right about li'l Lieberman. And he's supposed to be a democrat! Anyway, it's a nice try by Obama but there is such a sizeable Israel lobby in the US  I doubt he will achieve much with it. 
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Reply #3 - Today at 12:22am   Well -  Mr Netanyahu (?)  whom, it seems to me, was always going to be in this position at this time,  certainly told Obama the facts.!!

The reported 'Obama' stare - which was pretty evident in the televised interview between them, that I saw,  just didn't exist for Mr Netanyahu.

His manner was that , perhaps, of someone having to explain the obvious.

Obama's 'Plan' shows a worrying naivete on the part of the US Pres. IMO.   
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Reply #4 - Today at 6:57am   jalane33 wrote on Today at 12:22am:
Obama's 'Plan' shows a worrying naivete on the part of the US Pres. IMO.   
Where else but at the last internationally agreed position can you restart just negotiations?

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Reply #5 - Today at 7:40am   jalane33 wrote on Today at 12:22am:
Well -  Mr Netanyahu...

His manner was that , perhaps, of someone having to explain the obvious.
 

In other words, his manner was that perhaps of someone who is unprepared  & totally unwilling to accept any "solution" that deviates from the tried  & trusted jackboot approach of the last 60 years.

Great, just what the middle east needs, a welfare state dependant upon others.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:18pm:



gizmo,

I agree with you, 90 %.

Please note my suggested: "How ?" above, of how ISLAM should be destroyed.

e.g.
Some people on this forum have suggested that the Koran should be banned.

I know that Sprint has previously made that suggestion in this forum.

I myself, totally DIS-agree, with such a path.

IMO, only by examining the Koran and Hadith [ISLAM's foundation religious texts], by being informed, can we understand what ISLAM truly is.



BUT [i suspect that you will strongly disagree with me here....], i would like to see those who self declare, as being moslems, removed [expelled] from Australia.

I do believe, that if we [Australians], have informed ourselves, and understand what ISLAM truly is, that [from my own point of view, regarding ISLAM] each of us has a moral responsibility to seek to separate ourselves, from moslems/ISLAM.

Why so ?

Firstly, because i could not in good conscience, be a moslem.

Knowing what i know about ISLAM [today], if i had been born into a moslem family, and if as i grew up, i subsequently informed myself about what my faith promoted, i would be ashamed to remain a moslem.

I would abandon ISLAM.

And it puzzles me, as to why moslems [who must know what ISLAM promotes], will not abandon it ???

I firmly believe that the fate of those,
1/ who choose to refuse to be informed [to inform themselves] about what ISLAM promotes, AND,
2/ those who choose to refuse to separate themselves from those, who self-declare "I am a moslem.", will in the 'hereafter', bear the consequences of that choice.

But i know that you, and many others, do not believe in a 'hereafter'.

Have a nice life.



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Romans 2:5
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6  Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7  To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8  But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10  But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Palestinians didn't start out as Islamists, many were Christians. I/P is not about religion it's about politics.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbinicalcourts/crc/documents/callfromcrc.pdf

"and after the Moslems do to the French,
what the Germans did to the Jews"

"the Jewish 'leader' of power will say unto his Moslem 'people' of breeding 'Now lets unite as One and get those bloody Italians!'"

...after all this, such MILITARY actions will betray their attempts at Religion in the Middle-Eastern Region. Thus North America and Australia (with some help from South America ...but definately not from the Occidental region) will usher in the Golden Age and the True Religion of the Middle-East will be uncovered beyond the tainted touch of the African influenced Mohommedism, the Asian influenced Judaism and the European influenced Christianity.


"My precious"

In order to recognize Zionism for what it is, one has to know about Judaism, about Zionism -- the opposite and negation of Judaism, and about Jewish history.

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http://www.israelect.com/Come-and-Hear/editor/br_3.html


Blood Ritual
3: Human Sacrifice, the Talmud, and the Moloch Problem

No one today seriously suggests present-day Jews sacrifice children to Moloch. Moloch (sometimes spelled "Molech") was an Old Testament god whom the Hebrews worshipped from time to time, and to whom they sacrificed their children. The Babylonian Talmud, however, still permits Jews to sacrifice children to Moloch — under certain conditions.
LORD God Accepts Human Sacrifice
First, let's get perspective. Some mistakenly believe human sacrifice is forbidden in the Old Testament. Certainly, some of the prophets railed against it. But in at least one book, LORD God accepts human sacrifice. And in another book, LORD God is appeased by human sacrifice.
In the following account from the Book of Judges, the Israelite warrior Jephthah is about to set off to make war on the Ammonites. In payment for victory, Jephthah promises LORD God he will sacrifice the first "whatsoever" that comes from his house to greet him upon his return. Unless Jephthah keeps oxen, sheep, goats, or chickens in his living room, he must expect the promised victim will be a human being. Notice that Jephthah does not promise to sacrifice "an ox" or "a goat," etc. (7)



http://www.omegatimes.com/article.php?intid=1215



http://www.gaychristian101.com/Molech.html

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i do not judge

i observe the his/her story of ancient worshipping this fire god moloch/

molech

forgive these blood drinking child sacrificing freemasons

these will go unto that which they do invoke

namaste

nairbe wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 8:33pm:


I assume you mean to say, the Israelis would would put all the 'Palestinians' in camps ?

IMO, the Israelis should annex Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

And expel their wicked, wicked, enemies.

Not one ISLAMIST should be allowed to set foot within Israel proper.

The ancient homeland of the Jewish people is Israel.

The ancient homeland of the Edomites, the 'Palestinians', is Jordan.

The 'Palestinians' have a homeland, a state, it is called Jordan.

IMO,
1/ There will never, ever, be peace in the M.E., as a consequence of mankind's efforts [we, mankind, are too wicked, for peace to 'breakout' in the M.E.].

2/ Moslems will never, ever, again, own that strip of land known as 'Israel'.

Soon, the ISLAMIST's will gather themselves, to come against Israel, one last time.

The world community will be 'appalled' at the consequences of this conflict.

Israel will be condemned [...for defending itself].

Then, the world community itself, will decide to 'step in', and the world community will bring their forces [on behalf of the ISLAMIST's] against Israel.


Google;
all nations will come against israel






nairbe wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 8:33pm:


Israel should be careful.

Israel should choose to separate herself, to be separate, from the great evil which surrounds her, which is presently emerging.

These are going to be very difficult days, for tiny Israel.


'The next big wave of change' ???

LOL

Look into their hearts.

The M.E. is not 'changing'.

The people of the M.E. are not, 'changing'.

The [majority of the] people of the M.E. will never, ever, choose to 'cast off', or abandon, the 'religion' which they love.

That 'religion', which they choose to embrace.

In all of this 'change', nothing will be 'resolved', ...for the good.

A great evil is rising - that is all.

What will occur in the M.E., as the dust settles, is that the people of the M.E. will more decisively assert who they are.

The emerging, and 'new' M.E. politics [because politics is a reflection of what is in the hearts of men], will more clearly reveal, what man is capable of.

The tribulation.






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nairbe wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 8:33pm:



No moslem has any true love, of liberty.

Some moslems do indeed, 'desire' liberty.

But for liberty to be sustained, men must exercise a spirit of individual responsibility, and a willingness to defend truth, to our cost.

But moslems have no respect [in their heart], for truth, or a willingness to be responsible.

ISLAM has taught moslems to more 'perfectly' desire only 'licence', to do 'what is permitted'.






Edmund Burke



John Hamilton



George Bernard Shaw