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Is Atheism a Religion? (Read 103896 times)
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #660 - Apr 30th, 2013 at 10:13am
 
muso wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:51am:
Yadda wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:37am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 6:05am:
The 'kingdom' is within, isn't it?



No.

Not as such.

The kingdom of God, is where the righteousness and the light of God ARE.




Yadda yadda

Luke 17:21

Don't embarass yourself.





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".....the kingdom of God is within you."
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #661 - Apr 30th, 2013 at 11:02am
 
Sappho wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:31pm:
Yadda wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 12:46am:
Maybe some of those 'drunken buffoons' are child-molester types, too ?

Typical Christians, eh!


Perhaps so... certainly the Christian churches acknowledge that child abuse is rife within their respective faiths... certainly the government is particularly concerned about child abuse in the catholic religious structure...

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But not to worry.... all they need do is say sorry to God after each drunk and disorderly session, each bashing, one night stand, abortion etc and all will be well because God is Love and Forgiveness... epic lol


Yes, that is how many Christians imagine, that it works, that forgiveness and redemption thingy.


That is what Christianity has become in modern times.

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And for an atheist, you are remarkably well informed yourself.         Tongue


Because I am naturally inclined towards moral behaviour and because, as Soren rightly points out morality has traditionally been the under the umbrella of religion, I tried religion...but... I could not agree with much of the morality being preached, nor could I believe in a God of Love that is in stark contrast to the reality of the universe (read that as universe... not humanity), nor could I envision an afterlife. 





Should we perhaps ban Christianity, in Australia ?          Tongue

Christianity has in the past, clearly provided an environment within its structures, that has facilitated child abuse.

And you yourself, have tried religion, and you didn't agree with much of the morality that was being preached to you.

And you don't believe in a God of love.      [...the hurtful universe thing.]

And you don't believe in an afterlife.

Sounds compelling to me.

Lets ban Christianity, and lets burn those bibles too!

Such a course could only improve our society, i'd say!          Tongue

At the very least [proscribing Christianity in Australia], we would remove an environment which has clearly facilitated child abuse.

'baby, and bathwater' ?i




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And how is that 'challenging, meaningful and beneficial [to humanity]' moral structure that you have embraced, going ?           Wink


Well lets see Christian... I'm just home from a day at work helping our most vulnerable Australians. Helped a terminally ill man get his family linked into some grief counselling because they are not coping with his impending death... helped a young homeless girl get intermediate housing designed for youth to give them the life skills they need to eventually live independently and I scored a washing machine for a single dad... twin tub admittedly... but its better than wasting gold coins at the laundromat.

But wait... there's more... I also foster teenagers with complex mental health issues.   

What about you Christian? How goes your emulation of Jesus? 





Oh i couldn't even nearly compete with your good works, Sappho.

I'm flawed, through and through.




You foster teenagers with mental health issues ?

That is good of you.

But i was fostered when i was a child.

Does that count ?

Oh, sorry, i am on the wrong side of that equation then ?

But i can see what you mean about a hurtful, 'indifferent' universe.

Coz, even though you are fostering teenagers with mental health issues, they could turn into someone like myself!

Psalms 27:10
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

That is a horrible thought, isn't it !

I'm sure that it is enough to turn some to atheism.



Sappho,

I suspect that you would regard the wisdom that comes from God only with disdain, but i would suggest this to you;
If you seek the optimal wellbeing of those teenagers [who are afflicted with mental health issues] who are in your charge, encourage them to avoid eating processed and cooked foods, as much as possible.

You might be surprised how much difference such simple advice could make.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #662 - Apr 30th, 2013 at 10:49pm
 
I highly recommend this book if you want to get an insight into why an atheist becomes a believer (and what he believes).

You can read it or you can get the audio version where the author reads it. It is very, very good.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/9617809/Unapologetic-by-Fra...

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Reply #663 - May 1st, 2013 at 7:41am
 
And you yourself, have tried religion, and you didn't agree with much of the morality that was being preached to you.

And there lies the problem in society!!

We (well some) want to go their own way and do their own thing.
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #664 - May 1st, 2013 at 11:53am
 
damien wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 7:41am:
And you yourself, have tried religion, and you didn't agree with much of the morality that was being preached to you.

And there lies the problem in society!!

We (well some) want to go their own way and do their own thing.


Everybody goes their own way, including those who follow a religion or a system of morality. Deciding to follow a religion is going your own way. Whether you decide to become a monk or a shaman, you're still going your own way.

Some excellent advice in Thessalonians 5:21

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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #665 - May 2nd, 2013 at 10:37pm
 
muso wrote on May 1st, 2013 at 11:53am:
Whether you decide to become a monk or a shaman, you're still going your own way.


Woman: Do you drink beer?
Man: Yes
Woman: How many beers a day?
Man: Usually about 3
Woman: How much do you pay per beer?
Man: $5.00 which includes a tip
Woman: And how long have you been drinking?
Man: About 20 years, I suppose
Woman: So a beer costs $5 and you have 3 beers a day which puts your spending  each month at $450. In one year, it would be approximately $5400 …correct?
Man: Correct
Woman: If in 1 year you spend $5400, not accounting for inflation, the past 20 years puts your spending at $108,000, correct?
Man: Correct
Woman: Do you know that if you didn’t drink so much beer, that money could have been put in a step-up interest savings account and after accounting for compound interest for the past 20 years, you could have now bought a Ferrari?
Man: Do you drink beer?
Woman: No

Man: Where’s your Ferrari?





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Reply #666 - May 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm
 
I like your analogies Soren  Tongue
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #667 - May 3rd, 2013 at 9:05pm
 
muso wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 7:49pm:
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