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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #15 - May 5th, 2011 at 8:29pm
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
David Nicholls wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 2:59pm:
Sappho,

The Atheist Foundation of Australia had its signs disallowed because of decisions by management of a couple of transport and adverting companies.  The AFA considered it discrimination against Atheism that they acted in this manner.

This headline does not originate from the AFA,
“In Australia the Atheist Foundation of Australia formally complained of religious discrimination”


I hope this has cleared up your concerns.

Thank you

David Nicholls
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Dave, people are allowed to discriminate against ideologies. It is a good idea. It is discrimination against people that can be pursued legally, on the basis of things like sexual orientation, religion etc. On what basis were you discriminated against?



I'd be amazed if he hangs around to answer that question.

My guess would be discrimination on the basis of political opinion, according to the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986.
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Re: Is Atheism a Religion?
Reply #16 - May 5th, 2011 at 8:34pm
 
Grey wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:27pm:
muso wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:52am:
The AFA is a religion.  Wink Some atheists are evangelical.


Would being an antispamist and pointing out that Nigerian scammers are con artists make me an evangelical and 'antispam' a religion?


In my view Atheism is more of a "hobby" for ex Christians.
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Reply #17 - May 5th, 2011 at 9:12pm
 
muso wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:29pm:
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
David Nicholls wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 2:59pm:
Sappho,

The Atheist Foundation of Australia had its signs disallowed because of decisions by management of a couple of transport and adverting companies.  The AFA considered it discrimination against Atheism that they acted in this manner.

This headline does not originate from the AFA,
“In Australia the Atheist Foundation of Australia formally complained of religious discrimination”


I hope this has cleared up your concerns.

Thank you

David Nicholls
President
Atheist Foundation of Australia


Dave, people are allowed to discriminate against ideologies. It is a good idea. It is discrimination against people that can be pursued legally, on the basis of things like sexual orientation, religion etc. On what basis were you discriminated against?



I'd be amazed if he hangs around to answer that question.

My guess would be discrimination on the basis of political opinion, according to the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986.


No... Atheism is recognised in law as a religion, not a political party. David used this recognition to lodge a complaint of religious discrimination.
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Reply #18 - May 5th, 2011 at 9:35pm
 
So it's official, atheism is a religion?

What is wrong with Dave's move then? Do you oppose it on religious grounds?
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Reply #19 - May 5th, 2011 at 9:52pm
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 9:35pm:
So it's official, atheism is a religion?

What is wrong with Dave's move then? Do you oppose it on religious grounds?


I don't think that Atheism should be recognised as a religion and since the AFA do not recognise that Atheism is a religion, they should not be using the discrimination act which seeks to protect religion... Rather, they should seek redress through demands for legal recognition of freedom of speech to which the govt has signed a commitment with the UN to pass into law.

The AFA are currently running a campaign encouraging Atheist to identify themselves in the Census as 'no religion'. I agree with this and will be doing this... although I do so like being of Klingon religion every census. They killed their gods.
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Reply #20 - May 5th, 2011 at 9:54pm
 
Isn't it discrimination to deny them recognition and equal trreatment before the law?
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Reply #21 - May 5th, 2011 at 9:58pm
 
How on earth can a singular lack of belief be a "religion"?

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Reply #22 - May 6th, 2011 at 2:36am
 
muso wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:34pm:
Grey wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:27pm:
muso wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:52am:
The AFA is a religion.  Wink Some atheists are evangelical.


Would being an antispamist and pointing out that Nigerian scammers are con artists make me an evangelical and 'antispam' a religion?


In my view Atheism is more of a "hobby" for ex Christians.


I was never religious Muso. I don't consider it a hobby either. It's an issue that people like to talk about, that's all you can say.
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Reply #23 - May 6th, 2011 at 8:33am
 
Sappho wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 9:12pm:
muso wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 8:29pm:
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
David Nicholls wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 2:59pm:
Sappho,

The Atheist Foundation of Australia had its signs disallowed because of decisions by management of a couple of transport and adverting companies.  The AFA considered it discrimination against Atheism that they acted in this manner.

This headline does not originate from the AFA,
“In Australia the Atheist Foundation of Australia formally complained of religious discrimination”


I hope this has cleared up your concerns.

Thank you

David Nicholls
President
Atheist Foundation of Australia


Dave, people are allowed to discriminate against ideologies. It is a good idea. It is discrimination against people that can be pursued legally, on the basis of things like sexual orientation, religion etc. On what basis were you discriminated against?



I'd be amazed if he hangs around to answer that question.

My guess would be discrimination on the basis of political opinion, according to the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986.


No... Atheism is recognised in law as a religion, not a political party. David used this recognition to lodge a complaint of religious discrimination.



Is it? The law is an ass. The Australian Bureau of Statistics in the national census categorises atheists under "No Religion".  

I guess Atheism is a position on religion, or a religious opinion rather than a religion itself.

By the way, I didn't claim that it was a political party, just a political opinion. Virtually anything can be a political opinion.
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Reply #24 - May 6th, 2011 at 8:40am
 
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 9:35pm:
So it's official, atheism is a religion?

What is wrong with Dave's move then? Do you oppose it on religious grounds?


Just because some overbloated bunch of crow eaters with nothing better to do call themselves official, doesn't mean that they speak for all atheists.
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Reply #25 - May 6th, 2011 at 7:56pm
 
But they are speaking for you. No-one else is.
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Reply #26 - May 6th, 2011 at 8:21pm
 
David Nicholls wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 7:24pm:
To approach the Australian government would have taken a tremendous amount of time and would most likely be unsuccessful.  The worldwide bus sign campaign couldn’t wait for that.

What? Thousands of years of theism and you couldn't wait a few more years? Grin

You're more than just an atheist .... You're a militant anti-theist.
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Reply #27 - May 6th, 2011 at 8:31pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 8:21pm:
David Nicholls wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 7:24pm:
To approach the Australian government would have taken a tremendous amount of time and would most likely be unsuccessful.  The worldwide bus sign campaign couldn’t wait for that.

What? Thousands of years of theism and you couldn't wait a few more years? Grin

You're more than just an atheist .... You're a militant anti-theist.


exactly
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Reply #28 - May 6th, 2011 at 8:31pm
 
freediver wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 7:56pm:
But they are speaking for you. No-one else is.


I can speak for myself
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Reply #29 - May 6th, 2011 at 9:44pm
 
muso wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 8:31pm:
freediver wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 7:56pm:
But they are speaking for you. No-one else is.


I can speak for myself


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