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Re: ban all 'religious' clothing
Reply #30 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:53pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:24pm:
muso wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 11:26am:

Total covering of the face (as in the burka/niqab)  is not a requirement of Islam, and many Muslims even find it annoying.




muso,

If that is so, then shouldn't you be trying to convince moslems of that 'truth' ???

As moslems are the ones who seem to be 'confused' about the mandatory wearing of head coverings by ALL women.


To wit, the moslem persons cited here......
"ban all 'religious' clothing"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1303119265/14#14



The Muslims on this forum are a joke. They don't represent anything. One of them was banned from a Muslim forum for writing nonsense.
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Re: ban all 'religious' clothing
Reply #31 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 2:36pm
 
muso wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:53pm:
Yadda wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:24pm:
muso wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 11:26am:

Total covering of the face (as in the burka/niqab)  is not a requirement of Islam, and many Muslims even find it annoying.




muso,

If that is so, then shouldn't you be trying to convince moslems of that 'truth' ???

As moslems are the ones who seem to be 'confused' about the mandatory wearing of head coverings by ALL women.


To wit, the moslem persons cited here......
"ban all 'religious' clothing"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1303119265/14#14



The Muslims on this forum are a joke. They don't represent anything. One of them was banned from a Muslim forum for writing nonsense.





muso,

Yes, 'our' moslems on OzPol are a joke, plain and simple.


NOT LIKE, real moslems at all...

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Moslem 'entitlement' expressed.




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Moslem 'entitlement' fulfilled.


Nick Berg, a bound and helpless captive, moments before he was murdered, by those claiming to be moslem 'holy warriors'.
Persons so 'brave' and 'righteous', that they choose to cover their faces, while they commit their 'righteous' act.

Real moslems.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #32 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 2:43pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
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It is indeed my right to see the face of anyone, anywhere in a public place. I don't care what the religious or cultural imperatives, the common good overrules them all. In this case the right of every person to be able to recognise who they may be dealing with at any time.


You must be a laugh when you encounter a wilderness koala.



I simply kick it in the crotch and take its bucket.
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Reply #33 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 2:46pm
 
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muso,

Yes, 'our' moslems on OzPol are a joke, plain and simple.


NOT LIKE, real moslems at all...

Well I guess you're not a representative sample of real Christians either.
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Church and state colluded to free 'IRA bomber priest'


Official report reveals how prime suspect in 1972 atrocity was protected


By David McKittrick

Wednesday, 25 August 2010



The 1972 bombing of Claudy left nine people dead and 30 injured

 
It was on the last day of the worst month of the worst year of the Troubles that three IRA bombs exploded in the village of Claudy, Co Derry.


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Reply #34 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 3:55pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
It is indeed my right to see the face of anyone, anywhere in a public place. I don't care what the religious or cultural imperatives, the common good overrules them all. In this case the right of every person to be able to recognise who they may be dealing with at any time.



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Reply #37 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 8:18pm
 
That was jolly helpfull, thankyou.
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Reply #38 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 8:43pm
 
Religion and Spirituality (Fashion) are almost like Husband and Wife.
Just like Music and Science.
Medicine and Cooking (sharp blades)
etc, etc

So to say "Ban Religious Clothing" is kinda silly really, because the besides Spiritual people being the best dressed, the Religious come a close and comfortable 2nd.

Musicians are the worst dressed. In fact the worse they dress, the better they sound ironically.
Don't believe me? Walk into a Church or Mosque and tell me you love the sound of their 'wailing'.
I think the Catholic Choirs were as good as it got musically for Religion.

...it won't be long before Moslem men/women, or Men/Women from a Middle-Eastern (Brown skinned - big nosed) background will lead Australia into a more Fashionable future.
I hope it won't be too long in the waiting because I'm kinda embarressed by the 'Westernised' Fashion that has girls dressing up like frumpy Queen Mothers at the Melbourne Cup ...no wonder they have to get totally drunk to get laid.


Remember: Ned Kelly wore an iron Burqua Grin
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Reply #39 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 8:57pm
 
Unintended irony, one day Rajasthan will take its place as fashion capital of the world.  Smiley

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Reply #40 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 9:00pm
 
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An Asian woman who works in a pharmacy in east London was told to dress more modestly and wear a veil or the shop would be boycotted.
When she went to the media to talk about the abuse she suffered, a man later entered the pharmacy and told her: 'If you keep doing these things, we are going to kill you'.


So we should deny ourselves freedom of dress because some lunatics on the other side of thw orld did it? You have tried this line of argument before Soren. When confronted with the stupidity of it, you merely chop and change to some other silly argument. Yet for some reason you change back to it? Is it because all of your arguments are as stupid as this one? Are you going to change back to meat pies again now?

Furthermore, you yourself promoted the idea that you should be able to refuse employment to someone based on how threy dressed. Should this right only be extended to white people like you?

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Just to illustrate that your hobbyhorse of "letting women choose for themselves" is a load of bollocks on stilts.


But it does not illustrate anything Soren. It is an example, yet here you are claiming that it proves some kind of rule. The only thing it illustrates is your inability to make a cogent argument against a woman's right to choose for herself.

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FD if every woman wore a burqa in this country would you be comfortable with that???.


Of course not, but freedom means the right to say and do things that other people might not like. I would feel equally uncomfortable if everyone walked round naked, but you don't see me railing against the nudist movement.

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we would have to build larger toilets I am afaid.. I cant begin to understand what going to the bathroom means to those women!!


How about you leave that for the women to figure out?

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THIS ISSUE, is not about banning 'clothing', or the 'right' of someone, anyone, to choose to wear, the clothing that they choose to wear.

It is about some people choosing to hide their apparent identity, in public places.


You are not making any sense either Yadda. If Grey calls for all religious clothing, unfiroms, symbols etc to be banned, what has that to do with the concealment of identity?

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So i guess cultural mores are un-important


Yadda, I said they don't have feelings. When it comes to trying to deny people fudnamental human rights, you are correct, cultural mores are unimportant.

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If as you insist, cultural mores are un-important, why don't moslems seem agree with you


Why should I care whether they agree with me Yadda?

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It is indeed my right to see the face of anyone, anywhere in a public place.


No it is not belgarion. Your rights apply to you. They are not some idiotic excuse to for you to compel other people to do what you want. You have no clue what rights are.

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I don't care what the religious or cultural imperatives, the common good overrules them all.


Chopping and changing again are you Belgarion? Or do you see no distinction between your rights and the 'common good'?
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Reply #41 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 9:14pm
 
Australia is ruled by the Federal Level of Politics, which in turn is run by the positions of Gov-Gen and Prime Minister, all of which serve the International Community as a priority, especially the UK/USA.

So if anything happens overseas, you are damn sure Australia will follow suit just like the sheep that we tell New Zealand jokes with.

Australia is a mindless zombie ...politcally, for overseas agendas.
Its almost sickening to think that Australia 'thinks it really is the multi-cultural United Nations'.
Grin LMFAO
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Reply #42 - Apr 22nd, 2011 at 11:49pm
 
I was all fired-up to reply to the other thread on 'the dress code for some moslem women', but am  just getting started on this Forum, not being a chat 'aficionado'  still got to learn to navigate this properly.

So my writings disappeared into the nevernever.

My take on this is v personal. Not Moslem - in fact I hold NO religion, but  I hate to see women repressed and controlled in such ways.

NO BLANKET BAN ('scuse the pun) will rectify this problem. And a problem it is, as long as people want to argue about it, and what it means.

Only I don't think its only some Moslems who practice such oppression.  I daresay there are quite a few Oz women who, to escape their own , singular, brutal marriage, might welcome becoming one of a larger group of oppressed and essentially enslaved women . More to bear the suffering, don't you know?.
'Cos you OZ guys can be just as cruel and controlling - YOU HAVE NO HIGHER MORAL GROUND>!  YOU CAN'T EVEN FALSELY CLAIM YOUR RELIGION MAKES YOU DO IT!!

why should I feel obligated to show my 'attributes' to their best advantage for the pleasure of a bunch a yobboes??
Why do any of you think you have a right to see my face, let alone other parts of MY body??. 
You are fools.
If I choose to wear a headscarf, large  dark glasses and a voluminous wrap, which gives you few clues to my appearance, are you FRIGHTENED!!!??? Do you think you must have the right to complain? Load of shite mate.!!!

Even tho the Holy Koran does NOT require such strict control of women, the rigidity of thinking which seems to personify all Moslem clerics, even the moderate,  ...in considering and accepting any sort of change, after so many hundreds of years of 'custom' , is not so different to Catholic religious intolerance of women, and the refusal to allow women priests.

DON"T YOU GET IT?   It comes down to plain old FEAR.
You aren't offended, you're afraid.!!

And in just about all societies, women have been the ones to suffer this
secret fear Men have of Women.  Lets face it - it ain't no secret. But thats not how this fear is portrayed. OH NO.
Its righteous!!  Its the Lord's will.  (feel the need for a bit of support from a higher authority do you?)

BUT  back on topic,   banning the wearing of burqas or any other  symbolic artifact - perceived to be religious - IS INEQUITABLE.

STAND up for right. You will soon forget the fear that drove you to demand conformity. Sad

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Reply #43 - Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:08am
 
Emma wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 11:49pm:
[/i] Why do any of you think you have a right to see my face 



Because we let you see ours, you dozy bint.

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Reply #44 - Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:52am
 
Gag!! Argghhh!  ooh that was BADDD. Roll Eyes

DOZY BINT???


How the bugger did you know?? Cheesy


SO  u mean  I see yours, whether I care or not, - so u see mine????

BIG WET DREAM ON!!! Grin
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