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Professor John Daley slams oppositions carbon fix
Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:42pm

Well Professor John Daley, from the Grattan Institute, has just concluded a major study investigating how to manage Carbon reduction schemes to achieve the targets proposed by both the Government and the Opposition, and concludes the Opposition Plans are exactly what everyone has already said, ineffectual.
The evidence comes down squarely in support of market based Carbon Pricing as the only mechanism that will work.

I can't wait to hear how Greg Hunt responds to this study, as he obviously has so little actual support from the opposition leadership to actually develop any real and effective response to the Carbon issue.

Here is a link to the pdf from the Grattan Institute for any who wish to see what their study concluded.

http://www.grattan.edu.au/publications/076_daley_oped_afr_carbon.pdf

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Professor John Daley slams oppositions carbon fix Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:46pm What was the estimated cost of the Libs' non-plan!? Was it in the order of 300 Billion!?
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Re: Professor John Daley slams oppositions carbon fix
Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:52pm

To be fair, that was not the Libs plan, but what he was saying that by trying to achieve the 5% reduction by 2020, using the methods suggested by the Libs, would cost 300 billion, not that they intended to do that, but likewise he also said he could not envisage how the opposition could possibly achieve the 5% target they stipulated, using the methods they are promoting, basically he just said their ideas are unworkable.

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Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:54pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:49pm:

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.............market based Carbon Pricing ............

hahhahahahha

there is NO market NEED for carbon to be bought

What is the market driver ?

yOU'RE NOT VERY INTELLIGENT ARE YA MATEY!!!

ANTI-MARKET FORCES ABBOTT DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MARKETS ARE FOR EITHER!!!!

MARKETS PROVIDE _________ ?!!? Cheesy

I DON'T THINK YOU EVEN DID YEAR 11 ECONOMICS DID YA MATEY?!!?

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Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:55pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:49pm:

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.............market based Carbon Pricing ............

hahhahahahha

there is NO market NEED for carbon to be bought

What is the market driver ?

Don't be a flip flopping fanboy for Liberal policy because it is Liberal policy, have a look at what the experts said, they are not paid Labor stooges, they were just doing an independent analysis of the evidence available from what has been tried so far, and came to a conclusion about what is feasible, and what is not.
Try reading it before laughing it off.

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Reply #6 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 5:44am

mozzaok wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:55pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:49pm:

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.............market based Carbon Pricing ............

hahhahahahha

there is NO market NEED for carbon to be bought

What is the market driver ?

Don't be a flip flopping fanboy for Liberal policy because it is Liberal policy, have a look at what the experts said, they are not paid Labor stooges, they were just doing an independent analysis of the evidence available from what has been tried so far, and came to a conclusion about what is feasible, and what is not.
Try reading it before laughing it off.

There is such a thing as AGW stooge and they are all over the place. Failed environmentalist loonies.

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Reply #7 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 6:28am

mozzaok wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:42pm:

Well Professor John Daley, from the Grattan Institute, has just concluded a major study investigating how to manage Carbon reduction schemes to achieve the targets proposed by both the Government and the Opposition, and concludes the Opposition Plans are exactly what everyone has already said, ineffectual.
The evidence comes down squarely in support of market based Carbon Pricing as the only mechanism that will work.

I can't wait to hear how Greg Hunt responds to this study, as he obviously has so little actual support from the opposition leadership to actually develop any real and effective response to the Carbon issue.

Here is a link to the pdf from the Grattan Institute for any who wish to see what their study concluded.

http://www.grattan.edu.au/publications/076_daley_oped_afr_carbon.pdf

can we presume the good Prof knows something we dont know????... like what the LABOR/GREEN Carbon reduction scheme is all about????????

as he seems to be the only one that knows what gillard/brown have up their very long sleeves for us.. perhaps he could let us in on their secrets..

so far all I have heard of we are working on it... its all in the cost and how we divi it up.............lol..

sounds a bit like my budget every pension day... it never does work out quite like I plan it. I am always behind.

as for reduction carbon.... what can we expect the temperature to be in the year 2020?

I do wish these guys would tell us the truth and the WHOLE truth..not their interpretation of the truth

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Professor John Daley slams oppositions carbon fix Reply #8 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 6:52am Equitist wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:46pm: What was the estimated cost of the Libs' non-plan!? Was it in the order of 300 Billion!? To drop 5% of 1.5% while we give China and India free rein That's real smart spending when it's not your money
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Reply #9 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 7:38am

Maqqa wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 6:52am:

Equitist wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:46pm:

What was the estimated cost of the Libs' non-plan!?

Was it in the order of 300 Billion!?

To drop 5% of 1.5% while we give China and India free rein

That's real smart spending when it's not your money

The Coalition are committed to the same target.....A 5% reduction in carbon emissions by 2020.....What people need to ask is what scheme has been proven to work and is the most effective......All the opposition has to do is find some evidence to support there absurd claims and they have a policy.....At the moment the Coalition have no plan accept to do very little about climate change and deny anything that does not support there policy.....Can anyone from the Coalition explain why Professor John Daley is wrong or do the Coalition just want to stick there head in the sand and deny everything that does not support there pathetic argument???

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Reply #10 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 7:44am

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 7:38am:

The Coalition are committed to the same target.....A 5% reduction in carbon emissions by 2020.....What people need to ask is what scheme has been proven to work and is the most effective......All the opposition has to do is find some evidence to support there absurd claims and they have a policy.....At the moment the Coalition have no plan accept to do very little about climate change and deny anything that does not support there policy.....Can anyone from the Coalition explain why Professor John Daley is wrong or do the Coalition just want to stick there head in the sand and deny everything that does not support there pathetic argument???

This is DIRECTLY due to the fact Rudd ratified Kyoto

Otherwise there would be no need to commit to these targets

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Reply #11 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 8:15am

"If Kevin Rudd had been open to talking to us 18 months ago, he may have been able to both save his own prime ministership and deliver the beginnings of the climate action we all need that much sooner," Milne concluded.

[highlight]Rudd's mistake in dealing with the Coalition in 2009 on the CPRS and negotiating with the then Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull was not that he eschewed the Greens but that he wanted to use the negotiations to destroy the Coalition at the same time.

Turnbull wanted to do a deal, enough Liberal senators wanted to do a deal and even current arch nemesis of the carbon tax - Abbott - was prepared to back the deal for the sake of supporting his leader.[/highlight]

Rather than doing a deal with the Coalition which would have been less radical than the deal the Greens are now demanding, Rudd poked Turnbull in the chest, as Independent MP Tony Windsor put it, at every opportunity and eventually destroyed Turnbull's leadership and Liberal cooperation.

As a result of that political overreach Gillard now can't deal with the more moderate Coalition and realises the outcome the Greens will demand, in keeping with Milne's warning, may not be saleable.

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Reply #12 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 8:21am

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 7:38am:

Maqqa wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 6:52am:

Equitist wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:46pm:

What was the estimated cost of the Libs' non-plan!?

Was it in the order of 300 Billion!?

To drop 5% of 1.5% while we give China and India free rein

That's real smart spending when it's not your money

The Coalition are committed to the same target.....A 5% reduction in carbon emissions by 2020.....What people need to ask is what scheme has been proven to work and is the most effective......All the opposition has to do is find some evidence to support there absurd claims and they have a policy.....At the moment the Coalition have no plan accept to do very little about climate change and deny anything that does not support there policy.....Can anyone from the Coalition explain why Professor John Daley is wrong or do the Coalition just want to stick there head in the sand and deny everything that does not support there pathetic argument???

phil what scheme has been PROVEN TO WORK.

this is what the big acam is all about.... there isnt a scheme and no one knows what will work if anything...you have been had..

whay do you think the talk now is all about TAX and how to divi it up...

exactly so we dont talk about WHY>>>>YYYYYYYYY.. what good will it dooooooooooooooooooooo.

you talk about the opposition... tell us what the GOVT knows and WHAT their scheme will change if anything???.. and what proof they have.. she is the one that said their would be NO CARBON TAX>. then did the dirty on us.. so she must be the one to provide the evidence.

you tell us why is Daley right..............or do you like a leeming just take his word for it?

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Reply #13 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 8:27am

As a result of that political overreach Gillard now can't deal with the more moderate Coalition and realises the outcome the Greens will demand, in keeping with Milne's warning, may not be saleable.

nichy thats exactly it...its all about money...the magic word in this magic pudding is COMPENSATION..

we dont ask anymore what can we expect to happen to the climate when will it start to happen.. and what will happen to temperatures????

give us the details..

these scientist know so much about what will happen if we DONT act.... let them tell us what will happen if we DO.

I have been led to believe this is all about the planet.. yet all we hear is MONEY jinggling...

cant remember the last time we planted a pot of gold and it came up abundantly

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Reply #14 - Apr 8^th, 2011 at 8:58am

Maqqa wrote on Apr 8^th, 2011 at 6:52am:

Equitist wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 11:46pm:

What was the estimated cost of the Libs' non-plan!?

Was it in the order of 300 Billion!?

To drop 5% of 1.5% while we give China and India free rein

That's real smart spending when it's not your money

"Give" China and India free rein? I guess the alternative is to "force" them to do something?

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