abu_rashid wrote on Apr 6
th, 2011 at 9:59pm:
Grey wrote on Apr 6
th, 2011 at 11:00am:
Surely it's a lot more tolerant than societies where the religious go on rampages killing a dozen of their own fellows, all because thousands of miles away in another country across the seas some idiot has burnt a Quo'ran?
The demonstrators were
brutally gunned down by the U.N terrorists & Puppet Collaborationist scum,
not by their own fellows.
Allah states that whenever the people riot and promote sedition within and against the authority of the moslem state, those who riot should simply be 'seized and slain (without mercy)'.
"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60,61
So isn't there a danger of 'The demonstrators' being mistaken for those 'in whose hearts is a disease' ???
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Abu, when moslems kill moslems [e.g. Libya, Iraq, Yemen, etc, etc.], who gets to decide who are the 'rightly guided' moslems and who are NOT the 'rightly guided' moslems ???
Is it you Abu, or is it some other authority ???
On what basis ???
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ALLAH COMMANDED; DON'T KILL FELLOW 'PERSONS'....
"On that account:
We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew
a person -
unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...."
Koran 5.32
N.B. Allah is speaking to whom???
So, there are no direct restrictions in this verse [5.32],
on moslems slaying mankind then???
DON'T KILL FELLOW 'PERSONS', THE EXCEPTION....
You have read Koran 5.32 [above].
What does the
the very next Koran verse declare???
"The punishment of
those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that
they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..."
Koran 5.33
So devout moslems
ARE commanded to kill 'those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land'.
Obviously 'those' must be the 'unbelievers'.
Those who rise up against moslem authority.
Sarc off/
BUT DON'T KILL FELLOW MOSLEMS....
Allah's law declares that moslems, must never knowingly kill another person.CORRECTION;Allah's law declares that moslems must never knowingly kill another
moslem.
"......If a man kills
a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.092, 93
SO ON KILLING, ISLAMIC LAW STATES.....???
To kill fellow moslems = wrong.
To kill Kuffar who resist ISLAM / Allah = is justified, and encouraged.+++
So, moslems must never, ever, knowingly kill a fellow [good] moslem.
But killing infidels, and those who rise up against moslem authority ???
No worries!
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs
(in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. "
Koran 9.111
v. 9.111, in its guarantee of paradise to those who
"fight in His cause, and slay and are slain" for Allah, is clearly encouraging the martyrdom of moslems, in 'the Cause of Allah'.
Their reward, is paradise.
Suicide bombing, anyone?Q.
So who can moslems fight???
A.
Allah's enemies.
Q.
But who are, Allah's enemies????
A.
Allah has declared who his enemies are,
in the Koran...
"...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
And THAT, is real ISLAM.
The reason for being, for a good moslem, is to fight infidels, in Allah's cause, aka Jihad.
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But as i asked above, when moslems kill fellow moslems,
OR, WHEN MOSLEMS KILL THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE FELLOW MOSLEMS [e.g. moslem violence in Libya, Iraq, Yemen, etc, etc.],
who gets to decide who are the 'rightly guided' moslems, and who are NOT the 'rightly guided' moslems [
who may lawfully be killed] ???
Is it you Abu, or is it some other authority ???
On what basis ???
What if other moslems disagree with you Abu ???
Why is
your version of ISLAM correct ???
And why is
their version of ISLAM incorrect ???