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Apr 1st, 2011 at 3:32pm
 
This is it: ...

STEVE CANNANE: Mick Keogh says that based on these estimates, Greg Hunt's figures don't add up.

MICK KEOGH: To reach the 150 million tonnes per annum of carbon dioxide equivalence would be 75 million hectares at the upside, that is at the two tonnes carbon dioxide equivalent per hectare per annum, or about 500 million hectares at 0.3, which is the lower level of the estimate.

STEVE CANNANE: But when I went back to Greg Hunt today, he said he defines 100 square kilometres as a hundred by a hundred, not 10 by 10.

GREG HUNT: When I talk about the 100 squared, that's all about a hundred by a hundred square kilometres or a hundred kilometres by a hundred kilometres, 10,000 square kilometres, a million hectares. You can play a game, respectfully, or we can be serious about what's the calculation here. A million hectares at a 150 tonnes of C02 equivalent per hectare is the figure that we're talking about, but that's the intensive number.

STEVE CANNANE: Greg Hunt has altered the transcript of the original Lateline interview and posted it on his website to reflect what he says was his intended definition of 100 square kilometres.

Based on this altered figure, Greg Hunt believes 150 million tonnes of carbon dioxide can be abated in one year over one million hectares.

But using the CSIRO's best estimate, you'd need a land mass of at least 75 million hectares to do this. And if you take the CSIRO's figures at the lower end of the scale, then you'd need 500 million hectares, or 65 per cent of the land mass of Australia.

But Greg Hunt questions the CSIRO figures.

GREG HUNT: Well there is a debate, and what we're seeing is that people such as Christine Jones, probably the pre-eminent soil carbon scientist in Australia and one of the world's leading soil carbon scientists, has a very different view. Her view is that Australia can capture an extraordinary part of its overall emissions, far greater than we've proposed. We've been very conservative in our estimates of what Australia as a whole through incentives to farmers could absorb.

STEVE CANNANE: The CSIRO does not take into consideration the field work of Dr Christine Jones because it's yet to be peer reviewed.

Peter Cosier says the Coalition is being irresponsible with their target.

PETER COSIER: We're very much in favour of soil carbon, but I think it's irresponsible to set a carbon reduction target based on information which is not sufficient to give you that target. So I think they're creating false expectations, I think farmers will be very reluctant to enter that market even if it did happen, and when they do, I don't think you'll achieve the volumes that have been promised in the Coalition's policy.

STEVE CANNANE: Steve Cannane, Lateline.

source: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3179336.htm

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Reply #1 - Apr 1st, 2011 at 4:21pm
 
I read this yesterday on a bloggers website I visit...what a joke.
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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 8:59am
 
Greg Hunt has shown the Coalition are not really interested in curbing the effects of global warming and are only concerned with appearances.....There policy is based on doing as little as possible without challenging the big polluters or taking the hard decisions to support the science they supposedly believe in.....The Coalitions policies on climate change have been challenged and found to fall way short of what is required to meet our targets.....This is just further evidence that the coalition are still a do nothing party when it comes to the environment!!!

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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:03am
 
The coalition ARE climate change denialists, but they know what nutty company that puts them in, so they go through this silly pretext of developing a Carbon Policy which is based on smoke and mirrors.

"100 square kilometres" vs  "a hundred squared kilometres"
you play that game and I call you a deceitful mongrel trying to pull a swifty, because he knows very well that even if he pronounces each word distinctly, virtually everyone who listens to him will hear, and assume he has described a figure of 10 k's by 10 k's, or 100 square k's, and the only reason he even uses the extraordinary 100 squared, is to deliberately try and create the impression that the undertaking of storing 75million tonnes of carbon is a far smaller undertaking than it actually is.
It is the deniers stock in trade, it is to create confusion, and promote misunderstanding, by the use of deceit.
While not wishing to demean the potential for soil storage of carbon, I do not believe that any serious person would take the figures being proposed by the coalition as anything other than deceitfully overstated.
It's not a dirty lie, if you can excuse the pun, but more of a "clean", PR type lie, an advertisers lie if you like, but at the end of the day, the result is the same, everybody knows it is not true.
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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:10am
 
That is utter rubbish.

It is that type of extremism and finger pointing that helps nobody.

I voted for the coalition. I am not a denialist. But I am anti a carbon tax.

I care about the cost of living for ordinary families and the effects on these people's budgets by bringing in a tax for no reason.

Now I hear little of it in San Diego.
I have come to see my parents this weekend - Mozza may have already noted my change in location - and I can tell you that nobody else is as absurdly obsessed about this situation as some of the Left people in Aus are.

People live in the real world. That is not about 50% tax rates, carbon taxes, taxes on air, flood levies, charity to Indonesia etc etc
For goodness sake, how many more taxes must the middle incomes of Australia have on them???
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Reply #6 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:22am
 
You reckon it's rubbish Andrei?

Well I reckon the coalition's policy and whole position on climate change is rubbish, and while some in the party are not denialists, the ones steering them at the moment surely are.
The whole point of lying about this is to create the perception that they have an alternative policy that is considered and effective, and they absolutely do not.
Let me put it in really simple terms, the coalition are proposing we do not need a carbon tax, because they reckon we can just dig a whole and bury any carbon responsibility in it, but they are alone in this opinion, as in nobody agrees with them, that what they propose is remotely adequate.

I love the idea of storing carbon in soil, and I like the positives it could have for the rural areas where it is done, but to put it up as your alternative to a carbon tax is the same as claiming wireless is all you need without a fibre network, that is, it is dumb, simplistic, and untrue.
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Reply #7 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:26am
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:03am:
The coalition ARE climate change denialists, but they know what nutty company that puts them in, so they go through this silly pretext of developing a Carbon Policy which is based on smoke and mirrors.

"100 square kilometres" vs  "a hundred squared kilometres"
you play that game and I call you a deceitful mongrel trying to pull a swifty, because he knows very well that even if he pronounces each word distinctly, virtually everyone who listens to him will hear, and assume he has described a figure of 10 k's by 10 k's, or 100 square k's, and the only reason he even uses the extraordinary 100 squared, is to deliberately try and create the impression that the undertaking of storing 75million tonnes of carbon is a far smaller undertaking than it actually is.
It is the deniers stock in trade, it is to create confusion, and promote misunderstanding, by the use of deceit.
While not wishing to demean the potential for soil storage of carbon, I do not believe that any serious person would take the figures being proposed by the coalition as anything other than deceitfully overstated.
It's not a dirty lie, if you can excuse the pun, but more of a "clean", PR type lie, an advertisers lie if you like, but at the end of the day, the result is the same, everybody knows it is not true.


you have the audacity to deem this a lie when Gillard is still PM after her massive betrayal of trust onthe Carbon Tax???

your bias is showing! pity your balance and integrity arent quite as visible.
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:28am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:10am:
That is utter rubbish.

It is that type of extremism and finger pointing that helps nobody.

I voted for the coalition. I am not a denialist. But I am anti a carbon tax.

I care about the cost of living for ordinary families and the effects on these people's budgets by bringing in a tax for no reason.

Now I hear little of it in San Diego.
I have come to see my parents this weekend - Mozza may have already noted my change in location - and I can tell you that nobody else is as absurdly obsessed about this situation as some of the Left people in Aus are.

People live in the real world. That is not about 50% tax rates, carbon taxes, taxes on air, flood levies, charity to Indonesia etc etc
For goodness sake, how many more taxes must the middle incomes of Australia have on them???


So you believe the science but against the tax, fair enough.
Whats your solution?
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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:33am
 
Even as Hunt tried to defuse his obvious error (is it so hard to say "oops" if you are a pollie?) he then dismisses the CSIRO, who state categorically that there is no evidence that even the larger area could do what Hunt says it will do. He's only out by a factor of 75.

His champion? A non peer reviewed outsider.

This is another hallmark of denialists - when the real authorities aren't saying what you want to hear, bring in an outsider.

Monckton anyone?
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Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:35am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:28am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:10am:
That is utter rubbish.

It is that type of extremism and finger pointing that helps nobody.

I voted for the coalition. I am not a denialist. But I am anti a carbon tax.

I care about the cost of living for ordinary families and the effects on these people's budgets by bringing in a tax for no reason.

Now I hear little of it in San Diego.
I have come to see my parents this weekend - Mozza may have already noted my change in location - and I can tell you that nobody else is as absurdly obsessed about this situation as some of the Left people in Aus are.

People live in the real world. That is not about 50% tax rates, carbon taxes, taxes on air, flood levies, charity to Indonesia etc etc
For goodness sake, how many more taxes must the middle incomes of Australia have on them???


So you believe the science but against the tax, fair enough.
Whats your solution?



You resolve the problem by a global response.
Tell me why India and China are not being capped back to the same levels as the rest of us?
1990 and 2000 levels. Why are they being given different targets.

I refuse to see why we should tie one hand behind our back vs our competitors.
We are in competition with these people and we are allowing the 1st and 3rd worst polluters in the world to do what they like.

The answer is a global one. Not a country one.
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philperth2010 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 8:59am:
Greg Hunt has shown the Coalition are not really interested in curbing the effects of global warming and are only concerned with appearances.....There policy is based on doing as little as possible without challenging the big polluters or taking the hard decisions to support the science they supposedly believe in.....The Coalitions policies on climate change have been challenged and found to fall way short of what is required to meet our targets.....This is just further evidence that the coalition are still a do nothing party when it comes to the environment!!!

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And the Hard Right wonder why The Greens didn't back the Abbott's coalition for government after the last election.

Abbott is anti Australian.
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Reply #12 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:44am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:35am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:28am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:10am:
That is utter rubbish.

It is that type of extremism and finger pointing that helps nobody.

I voted for the coalition. I am not a denialist. But I am anti a carbon tax.

I care about the cost of living for ordinary families and the effects on these people's budgets by bringing in a tax for no reason.

Now I hear little of it in San Diego.
I have come to see my parents this weekend - Mozza may have already noted my change in location - and I can tell you that nobody else is as absurdly obsessed about this situation as some of the Left people in Aus are.

People live in the real world. That is not about 50% tax rates, carbon taxes, taxes on air, flood levies, charity to Indonesia etc etc
For goodness sake, how many more taxes must the middle incomes of Australia have on them???


So you believe the science but against the tax, fair enough.
Whats your solution?



You resolve the problem by a global response.
Tell me why India and China are not being capped back to the same levels as the rest of us?
1990 and 2000 levels. Why are they being given different targets.

I refuse to see why we should tie one hand behind our back vs our competitors.
We are in competition with these people and we are allowing the 1st and 3rd worst polluters in the world to do what they like.

The answer is a global one. Not a country one.


True
So whats your framework for this global response?
Global response is easy to say and write but what exactly is it?
World Government with countries governments reduced to basically local councils?Who would lead and what's the criteria for election?
Military power(USA),lenght of civilisation(China),most Money(China)
No need to lay the whole plan out just a 1st step should be enough.
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Reply #13 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:53am
 
I would have each country sign up a binding agreement that ALL countries are capped to the same % as their 1990 emissions levels.

That would enable countries like Australia to not have to cut so drastically because India and China emissions would fall off a cliff.

Everyone needs to be capped to the same % level as their 1990 level.

That's your benchmark.
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Reply #14 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:55am
 
___ wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:44am:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 8:59am:
Greg Hunt has shown the Coalition are not really interested in curbing the effects of global warming and are only concerned with appearances.....There policy is based on doing as little as possible without challenging the big polluters or taking the hard decisions to support the science they supposedly believe in.....The Coalitions policies on climate change have been challenged and found to fall way short of what is required to meet our targets.....This is just further evidence that the coalition are still a do nothing party when it comes to the environment!!!

Angry




And the Hard Right wonder why The Greens didn't back the Abbott's coalition for government after the last election.

Abbott is anti Australian.


How did the breakdown over the NSW results go?
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