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Mar 29th, 2011 at 6:49am
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/year-vision-fuels-climate-fight/story-fn59niix-1226029695904

In the radio interview, Professor Flannery said: "If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over 1000 years."

In a letter to the editor of The Australian, submitted on Sunday, he expanded on the comments, saying his observation was not "an argument for complacency". But yesterday, as the role of the carbon tax in Labor's massive loss in the NSW election dominated federal political exchanges, Mr Abbott quoted Professor Flannery as he ridiculed the tax as "the ultimate millenium bug".

"It will not make a difference for 1000 years," the Opposition Leader told parliament. "So this is a government which is proposing to put at risk our manufacturing industry, to penalise struggling families, to make a tough situation worse for millions of households right around Australia. And for what? To make not a scrap of difference to the environment any time in the next 1000 years."

Mr Combet said through a spokeswoman that the Gillard government believed in the science of climate change and was determined to act.

Asked whether Mr Combet backed Professor Flannery's comment, the spokeswoman said: "Professor Flannery is an independent person who leads an independent commission."
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Reply #1 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 6:51am
 
COMBET....hey COMBET

You said you BELIEVED in the science and the scientist you love said if 6,910,000,000 then carbon levels might drop in 1000 years

So taxing 22,000,000 Australians won't make a difference to the atmosphere
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Reply #2 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:09am
 
Combet - your screwed - you may cause a lot of heart ache, but you are going to cop it all back pal and you will fail. Cool
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Reply #3 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:27am
 
The issue is about adding carbon to the atmosphere and adding to global warming......Seizing on one hypothesis and using this prediction as a caveat to discredit climate change is typical of the Liberal faithful.....The effects of adding carbon to the atmosphere are well documented and accepted by the majority of climate scientists.....I hope Abbott's comments once and for all cement his position as a climate change denier......Australia cannot afford to have a leader who believes in god unconditionally but does not believe in science.....What will Abbott's solution be to fixing the drought will it be to pray for rain like his predecessor John Howard???

http://www.theage.com.au/news/NATIONAL/Pray-for-rain-urges-Howard/2007/04/22/117...

Mr Howard warned last week that farmers in the Murray-Darling Basin faced having no water for the coming irrigation year unless heavy rain fell in the next six to eight weeks.

On Sunday he said he intended to meet irrigators over coming weeks to discuss the grim situation.

Meanwhile, he encouraged people to seek divine intervention.

"It's very serious, it's unprecedented in my lifetime and I really feel very deeply for the people affected," Mr Howard told ABC Television.

"So we should all, literally and without any irony, pray for rain over the next six to eight weeks."

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Reply #4 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:28am
 
I think the government is going to have a bit of bother implementing their air tax.
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Reply #5 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 8:14am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:27am:
Mr Howard warned last week that farmers in the Murray-Darling Basin faced having no water for the coming irrigation year unless heavy rain fell in the next six to eight weeks.

On Sunday he said he intended to meet irrigators over coming weeks to discuss the grim situation.

Meanwhile, he encouraged people to seek divine intervention.

"It's very serious, it's unprecedented in my lifetime and I really feel very deeply for the people affected," Mr Howard told ABC Television.

"So we should all, literally and without any irony, pray for rain over the next six to eight weeks."

Wink



And lo! The rain did come. People prayed and the rain came. That must make it a causal connection, then.
It is the same sort of CO2-AGW co-occurence that is taken to be cause and effect.


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Reply #6 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 8:19am
 
When I saw the topic for this thread I thought it was O'Farrell plan for the north west rail line in Sydney
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Reply #7 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 8:27am
 
Maqqa wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 6:49am:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/year-vision-fuels-climate-fight/story-fn59niix-1226029695904

In the radio interview, Professor Flannery said: "If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over 1000 years."





An oldtimer filmed at a recent rally in favour of a carbon tax made the standard appeal to emotion. “I’m concerned,” she said, “about the kind of world we’re going to leave my grandchildren.” ...

Forget saving your grandchildren, eco-biddies. According to Flannery, the world won’t be safer until your grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren’s grandchildren are on the scene.
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/commen...

Eco-biddies - that's the over-65 doctors' wives and teachers with silly red glasses.

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Reply #8 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 8:29am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:27am:
The issue is about adding carbon to the atmosphere and adding to global warming......Seizing on one hypothesis and using this prediction as a caveat to discredit climate change is typical of the Liberal faithful.....The effects of adding carbon to the atmosphere are well documented and accepted by the majority of climate scientists.....I hope Abbott's comments once and for all cement his position as a climate change denier......Australia cannot afford to have a leader who believes in god unconditionally but does not believe in science.....What will Abbott's solution be to fixing the drought will it be to pray for rain like his predecessor John Howard???

http://www.theage.com.au/news/NATIONAL/Pray-for-rain-urges-Howard/2007/04/22/117...

Mr Howard warned last week that farmers in the Murray-Darling Basin faced having no water for the coming irrigation year unless heavy rain fell in the next six to eight weeks.

On Sunday he said he intended to meet irrigators over coming weeks to discuss the grim situation.

Meanwhile, he encouraged people to seek divine intervention.

"It's very serious, it's unprecedented in my lifetime and I really feel very deeply for the people affected," Mr Howard told ABC Television.

"So we should all, literally and without any irony, pray for rain over the next six to eight weeks."

Wink



People prayed and the rain came...

your problems is...?
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Reply #9 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 8:43am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:27am:
The issue is about adding carbon to the atmosphere and adding to global warming......Seizing on one hypothesis and using this prediction as a caveat to discredit climate change is typical of the Liberal faithful.....The effects of adding carbon to the atmosphere are well documented and accepted by the majority of climate scientists.....



The bulk of the population of the western world believed that the Y2K Bug would destroy much of our technology on New Year’s Eve 2000, yet not one disaster occurred anywhere.
Even my old PC at the time, like everyone elses worked fine on New Years Day 2000.
We were told CFCs caused the Ozone ‘hole’ yet after billions of dollars were spent removing CFCs over 3 decades, the slight depletion of Ozone at the South Pole has not changed.
Scientists now think it is natural.  Oops.
Popular beliefs are often based on blind faith, ideology and profit rather than proven scientific evidence.
History is littered with popular consensuses that were wrong.
I'm sure the Druids of Briton 2000 years ago could 'prove' the earth was flat.
And computer modelling, guesstimates, the reading of icy poles is not proven scientific evidence.
Even Al Gore has his brand new $8.9 million luxury beachfront Villa built right on the Californian beach, right in the spot that is supposed to go underwater if he ever believed the science fiction he wrote in his book.
He certainly made his money alright.
And him starting up his little 'carbon capture' company will ensure the money keeps rolling in.
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Reply #10 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 10:26am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 8:43am:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:27am:
The issue is about adding carbon to the atmosphere and adding to global warming......Seizing on one hypothesis and using this prediction as a caveat to discredit climate change is typical of the Liberal faithful.....The effects of adding carbon to the atmosphere are well documented and accepted by the majority of climate scientists.....



The bulk of the population of the western world believed that the Y2K Bug would destroy much of our technology on New Year’s Eve 2000, yet not one disaster occurred anywhere.
Even my old PC at the time, like everyone elses worked fine on New Years Day 2000.
We were told CFCs caused the Ozone ‘hole’ yet after billions of dollars were spent removing CFCs over 3 decades, the slight depletion of Ozone at the South Pole has not changed.
Scientists now think it is natural.  Oops.
Popular beliefs are often based on blind faith, ideology and profit rather than proven scientific evidence.
History is littered with popular consensuses that were wrong.
I'm sure the Druids of Briton 2000 years ago could 'prove' the earth was flat.
And computer modelling, guesstimates, the reading of icy poles is not proven scientific evidence.
Even Al Gore has his brand new $8.9 million luxury beachfront Villa built right on the Californian beach, right in the spot that is supposed to go underwater if he ever believed the science fiction he wrote in his book.
He certainly made his money alright.
And him starting up his little 'carbon capture' company will ensure the money keeps rolling in.



Excellent point.

AGW is the Y2K Bug that keeps giving.

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Reply #11 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 10:39am
 
Soren wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 10:26am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 8:43am:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 7:27am:
The issue is about adding carbon to the atmosphere and adding to global warming......Seizing on one hypothesis and using this prediction as a caveat to discredit climate change is typical of the Liberal faithful.....The effects of adding carbon to the atmosphere are well documented and accepted by the majority of climate scientists.....



The bulk of the population of the western world believed that the Y2K Bug would destroy much of our technology on New Year’s Eve 2000, yet not one disaster occurred anywhere.
Even my old PC at the time, like everyone elses worked fine on New Years Day 2000.
We were told CFCs caused the Ozone ‘hole’ yet after billions of dollars were spent removing CFCs over 3 decades, the slight depletion of Ozone at the South Pole has not changed.
Scientists now think it is natural.  Oops.
Popular beliefs are often based on blind faith, ideology and profit rather than proven scientific evidence.
History is littered with popular consensuses that were wrong.
I'm sure the Druids of Briton 2000 years ago could 'prove' the earth was flat.
And computer modelling, guesstimates, the reading of icy poles is not proven scientific evidence.
Even Al Gore has his brand new $8.9 million luxury beachfront Villa built right on the Californian beach, right in the spot that is supposed to go underwater if he ever believed the science fiction he wrote in his book.
He certainly made his money alright.
And him starting up his little 'carbon capture' company will ensure the money keeps rolling in.



Excellent point.

AGW is the Y2K Bug that keeps giving.



I think anything Soren has to say about AGW can be safely ignored as the ramblings of a rigth wing corporate slave puppet
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Well-said, Soren.

And so very apt.
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Maqqa wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 6:49am:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/year-vision-fuels-climate-fight/story-fn59niix-1226029695904

In the radio interview, Professor Flannery said: "If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over 1000 years."

In a letter to the editor of The Australian, submitted on Sunday, he expanded on the comments, saying his observation was not "an argument for complacency". But yesterday, as the role of the carbon tax in Labor's massive loss in the NSW election dominated federal political exchanges, Mr Abbott quoted Professor Flannery as he ridiculed the tax as "the ultimate millenium bug".

"It will not make a difference for 1000 years," the Opposition Leader told parliament. "So this is a government which is proposing to put at risk our manufacturing industry, to penalise struggling families, to make a tough situation worse for millions of households right around Australia. And for what? To make not a scrap of difference to the environment any time in the next 1000 years."

Mr Combet said through a spokeswoman that the Gillard government believed in the science of climate change and was determined to act.

Asked whether Mr Combet backed Professor Flannery's comment, the spokeswoman said: "Professor Flannery is an independent person who leads an independent commission."



How can these scum-bag independents support this garbage of a carbon tax?

No wonder maggot mouth has been waiting to release the details of the scheme.
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Reply #14 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 1:07pm
 
And now Tony Abbott misrepresents Flannery; will the media call him on it?
March 29, 2011 – 9:34 am, by Jeremy Sear 
Further to the shameless and idiotic noisemaking of the trollumnists on which we commented yesterday, it now seems that the unpopular Liberal leader Tony Abbott is now outright misrepresenting Flannery’s remarks in Parliament:

But yesterday, as the role of the carbon tax in Labor’s massive loss in the NSW election dominated federal political exchanges, Mr Abbott quoted Professor Flannery as he ridiculed the tax as “the ultimate millenium bug”.

“It will not make a difference for 1000 years,” the Opposition Leader told parliament. “So this is a government which is proposing to put at risk our manufacturing industry, to penalise struggling families, to make a tough situation worse for millions of households right around Australia. And for what? To make not a scrap of difference to the environment any time in the next 1000 years.”

.What Flannery actually said:

If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow the average temperature of the planet is not going to drop in several hundred years, perhaps as much as a thousand years.

.“Not going to drop” is clearly not the same as “make not a scrap of difference”. Nor is “several hundred years, perhaps as much as a thousand years” the same as “not… any time in the next 1000 years”.

We’re talking about a system in which the temperature is increasing. The best we can hope for in the shorter term is to slow that increase down, maybe if we’re lucky stop it completely. The more countries that act, the better our chances, and the quicker we’ll reduce the damage. That Flannery thinks there’s a prospect of actually reducing the levels back to the levels of today, or pre-industrial levels, is very reassuring – but the time-scale he talks about is nothing to do with when there’d first be a difference between acting and not acting.

Even if it’ll take a long time to return the system to the earlier levels (and I’m glad to hear that that’s even possible), the immediate challenge is to reduce the increase. That’s what the proposed action is supposed to achieve, and that’s what we’re debating.

So Abbott’s misrepresentation of Flannery’s remark is not only dishonest, it also indicates that he hasn’t the faintest idea what his opponents are actually talking about.

Labor and climate scientists and the Greens and anyone with an interest in rational public debate all need to be out there right now squashing this stupid meme before it takes any more hold on the gullible. Because once this one sinks in, they’ll find something even more outrageously stupid and build up the ignorance even further. It has to be tackled now, and exposed for the moronic fraud it is.

Let’s see who in the media actually call Abbott on his shameless misrepresentation of Flannery, and the ignorance about the actual proposal that his remarks reveal. Anyone?


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