freediver wrote on Feb 25
th, 2012 at 9:27am:
[quote]Huh! What's not available?unquote
The information needed to make the judegment calls you expect everyone to make.
WHAT JUDGEMENT CALLS?? All that's required to operate at a LOCAL level is the desire to do something that will benefit the whole community and to make sure your local council know your aims.
I was married to the former Mayor of my community and know how little they will do if they aren't kept informed of what residents really want.
Quote:Building ecologically leaves no disasterous "cost".unquote
Sure, if you have all the information and get it right. But not if you do so out of delusion. Otherwise you will probably just make it worse, or live in squalor for no good reason.
Duh! That's what council 'Planning' is for ... nowhere have I said everyone should just go out and build a shanty town.
Quote:Where are the responsible ecological benefits in the way we build today? unquote
In the building standards you have been arguing against.
Where have I ever said NO building CODES ... it's no wonder you come up with your idiosyncratic views ... You do not 'comprehend' the English language.
The building standards we use today could hardly be called 'ecological' ... Cement jungle is more appropriate, and leaves a cess pool of waste behind .. Local codes are all about having neat rows of boxes in pre assigned colours. Ecologically friendly housing follows nature, and nature is beautiful but doesn't always follow NEAT.
Quote:Stupid is as stupid does. Who said anything about expecting people to know every little detail? By exercising sensible 'priorities', and seeking the information required to impliment those priorities in appropriate order, and allow proper consultation of the effectiveness of any action taken IS informing everyone involved.unquote
So in other words people have to guess the right priorities, then everything works out fine? You certainly have not had much luck guessing. That is eactly the sort of mindlessness the current agenda seeks to avoid.
Do you actually engage your brain before dreaming up these replies, or apply LOGIC?
"Your" mindlessness simply amazes me. You are the quintessential politician who thinks everyone but himself are uneducated morons.
Still I wouldn't expect anything else from a brainwashed zionist that reveals they have a 'current Agenda'.
Quote:Idealised market based economy is the way our governments operate now
Far from it.
Enlighten me! how do they operate then?
Quote:Name me ONE politician who knows everything about the policies they introduce or the consequences of actions taken? unquote
So you now argue that politicians who have no idea what they are doing somehow stumbled across an idealised market based economy?
Yep "politicians who have no idea what they are doing", have no idea what they're doing. They take their cues from their zionist masters and learn by rote.
Quote:So you know every little detail about my suggestions to quantitatively say that they can't work? unquote
I know enough to know that you are wrong.
All the math will tell you is how wrong you are. [quote]
Examples please!!! And do use correct grammar or I may not comprehend your reply.
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Give me examples so that I can explain them fully to you, instead of just making 'complicated' pollie speak interjections.. unquote
I am talking about economics. I have given you examples already.
Where was that? I saw no economic breakdown in any of your replies.
Get technical. I follow that path much better.
Quote:It seems to me that 'complicated' magic bullet style 'technical' solutions are what is wrong with this world. unquote]
Yet you still promote solar PV, despite it being comparitively expensive and riddled with environmental isssues. A rational economic mechanism will achieve the best technical solutions and leave behind those that are too expensive (eg retrofitting rooftop solar PV).
ROTFLMAO SMOOMN ... What makes production cheaper (could it be 'increased' production)? and are the environmental issues of PVs more harmful than gas guzzlers and petrol/diesel outlets? You call THAT rational economics??? Typical pollie response.
Quote:Simplistic, or more correctly 'simple' ideas and solutions are the ones that have a better chance of success. unquote]
1. Why? Carbon taxes to me seem the simplest of all solutions. Would you agree that it is therefor the best?
2. Do you think the problems we face are technical in nature and that our problem is that we keep getting it wrong technically?
3, Is your solution to go back to living in caves and mud huts?
1. That's because zionist and polliticians know that a carbon tax IS easy to impliment, a stroke of the pen DONE!!! it also sends production prices soaring and the cost of living goes with it ... This produces more money in the coffers of the already mega-rich and they laugh all the way to their zionist bankers, while "the people" are left with overwhelming debt.
2. It's governments and their solutions that are technical, to keep the Bankers and Multinationals happy and onside. And yes THEY keep getting it wrong, for the country and to the detriment of 'the people'.
3. Well, yes (in a sense), Bermed houses are great especially for 'the environment footprint', and mud brick, and pise have stood the test of time for thousands of years ... many 1000 years+ buildings are extremely beautiful and still standing in MUSLIM countries, and in Sth America.
There's a country town in Vic. that specialises in beautiful mud brick homes ... Sadly they are built for the rich 'professionals' and not the needy.
That's Pollie tech for ya!!!