Are there any Muslim inventions in the last 200 years?
Has there been any Muslim scientific innovation in the last 200 years?
Does the Muslim religion cause their culture to become backward?

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 9:14am:


I never heard of that.
There was one Muslim invention that I know of -
modern terrorism - flying aeroplanes into skyscrapers.

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Probably not, since Islamic civilisation waned and began crumbling by then.

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Has there been any Roman scientific innovation in the last 200 years? Of course not, because like Islamic civilisation, Roman civilisation declined and vanished. Generally once civilisations cease to exist, they don't do a lot of scientific discovery... seems you're not that bright doesn't it?

However, unlike Roman civilisation, Islamic civilisation is a phoenix...

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Well let us examine the history and see...

For the first few generations, when Islam was the strongest in the people, Islamic civilisation soared dramatically. Going from being a bunch of goat herding nomads, to commanding an empire that stretched from the doorsteps of France to the doorsteps of China (ie. largest in all known human history). It constructed libraries that were filled with translations of all of the greatest knowledge mankind had accumulated, in many cases saving the works from extinction at the hands of the Europeans.

After about 1000 years, Islamic civilisation declined as the people began to fall away from Islam, so that in the early 20th. century when the entire Islamic world was colonised, and the Caliphate was dismantled, Muslims were pretty much complete culture servants to the West, adopting their ways and ideas wholesale. One only has to watch early Arabic cinema to see how much they copied and imitated the West.

But now by the grace of God, the Muslims woke up from that nightmare, and are once again mobilising to revive Islam. And this is what worries the West isn't it? The fear Muslims might revive themselves, and abandon their formerly slavish imitation of the West. And so we'll see as islamic civilisation rises again from its own ashes, that Islam is the only thing that ever raised the Arabs and others up to the heights they achieved. Prior to Islam they were nothing, and after it they are nothing....

History speaks for itself. But some are deaf, dumb, and blind, not in their senses, but in their hearts.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:52pm:


Lots of suicide bombing and IED type innovations, various counter measures for countermeasures, that sort of thing.

Not much else.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:50pm:



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I don't - unless the current wave of revolution in Arab countries
gives them secular democratic societies - they are doomed.


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They made a point of saying that that was the only study they did - reciting & writing the Koran.

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By modern terrorism I meant - involving aeroplanes.
What about the hijack of the PLO & the  jets blown up on the ground in 1970?
http://middleeastfacts.com/middle-east/popular-front-for-the-liberation-of-pales...hp
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That wasn't terrorism Abu - don't try & re-write history.
That guy wanted insurance money for his family.

List of Aircraft Hijackings: 1970s

Marxists
* January 1, 1970: a Cruzeiro do Sul Sud Aviation SE-210 Caravelle VI R en route from Montevideo to Rio de Janeiro, with 33 occupants aboard, was hijacked by 6 persons who demanded to be flown to Cuba. The flight was diverted to Lima, Panama City and arrived in Havana two days later. There were no victims.

American/Suicidal?
* United States March 17, 1970: Eastern Air Lines Shuttle Flight 1320, carrying passengers from Newark to Boston was hijacked around 7:30 P.M. by John J. Divivo who was armed with a .38 caliber revolver. Captain Robert Wilbur Jr., 35, a former Air Force pilot who had only been promoted to captain six months prior, was shot in his arm by the suicidal hijacker.

Marxists
* March 31, 1970: Japan Airlines Flight 351, carrying 131 passengers and 7 crew from Tokyo to Fukuoka, is hijacked by nine members of the Japanese Red Army group.

Marxists
* July 1, 1970: a Cruzeiro do Sul Sud Aviation SE-210 Caravelle VI R registration PP-PDX en route from Rio de Janeiro to São Paulo with 31 occupants was hijacked by 4 persons who demanded the release of political prisoners that were to be taken to Cuba.

Marxists
* September 1970: As part of the Dawson's Field hijackings, PFLP members attempted to hijack four aircraft simultaneously. They succeeded on three and forced the planes to fly to the Jordanian desert, where the hijackers blew up the aircraft after releasing most of the hostages.

Lithuanians? Now apparently Americans, interesting.
* October 15, 1970: Aeroflot Flight 244 was hijacked from Batumi, Adjar ASSR, Georgian SSR, to Trabzon, Turkey by a Lithuanian  national and his son. An air hostess was killed and some other crew were injured in a shootout. The hijackers later received American citizenship.

Kashmiri Seperatists
* January 30, 1971: Indian Airlines Fokker F27 on scheduled Srinagar-Jammu flight is hijacked to Lahore  by two self-proclaimed Kashmir Separatists. All passengers were released by February 2 and repatriated to India, but the aircraft was blown-up—leading to an India-Pakistan air-travel ban, and suspension of overflight rights until 1976.

Anti-Government Filipinos
* March, 1971: Philippine Airlines flight was hijacked in March 1971 by six students from the Mindanao State University, opposed to the Marcos government. The plane landed in Guangzhou  (Canton) in southern China, and the Chinese authorities let the students stay in the country. The plane was then allowed to fly back to the Philippines. No one was hurt.

No information, but ended up in West Germany
* May 1971: an IL-14 with 4 staff members and 16 passengers was hijacked by 6 men at the Oradea Airport (Romania), then forced to flew to Budapest (Hungary), then Vienna (Austria). The passengers and the crew were released in Vienna, while the hijackers flew to West Germany.

Amercan/Ransom
* November 24, 1971: A man who became known as D. B. Cooper hijacked Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 305, a Boeing 727-100 aircraft flying from Portland, OR, to Seattle, WA, received US$200,000 in ransom, and parachuted from the plane. The actual name of the hijacker remains unknown.

American/Ransom
* January 12, 1972: Braniff Flight 38, a Boeing 727, was hijacked as it departed Houston, Texas bound for Dallas, Texas. The lone armed hijacker, Billy Gene Hurst, Jr., allowed all 94 passengers to deplane after landing at Dallas Love Field but continued to hold the 7 crewmembers hostage, demanding to fly to South America and asking for US $2 million, parachutes, and jungle survival gear, amongst other items.

American/Ransom
* January 28, 1972: TWA Flight 2, Los Angeles to New York, was hijacked by con man and bank robber Garrett Trapnell while over Chicago. Trapnell demanded $306,800 in cash (to recoup the loss of a recent court case), the release of Angela Davis (as well as that of a friend of his who was also imprisoned), and clemency from President Richard Nixon.

American/Ransom?
* November 10, 1972: Southern Airways Flight 49, was hijacked by three men and flown to multiple locations in the United States, and one Canadian city. At one point, the hijackers threatened to fly the plane into the nuclear reactor at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, if their demands for $10 million in cash were not met.

Croatian/Fascists
* April 24, 1973: SAS DC 9 - Gunder Viking - with registration number LN-RLO on route from Torslanda, Gothenburg, Sweden, to Stockholm, Sweden, was hijacked five minutes after take off by 3 armed Croatian terrorists connected to Ustasja.

Already half way through, and I don't see any Islamist terrorists. Perhaps the Kashmiri separatists might have had some Islamist links, but it's not mentioned.

Seems that Marxists, greedy Americans, and variouos other nutjobs from around the globe were the founders of what you classify as terrorism.

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Yes the PLO is an umbrella group, so technically the PFLP is part of it, but the PFLP alone carried out these attacks, not the PLO.

Both PFLP & Fatah are secular/socialist movements, which have no connection to Islam whatsoever.

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And all Nazis were Christians, so did Christianity carry out the holocaust?

Honestly, what kind of simpleton garbage is this?

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What's this got to do with your idiotic assertion that Muslims invented terrorism (which according to you actually means plane hijacking) because a Marxist Palestinian movement founded by a christian hijacked some planes in the 1970's? Nevermind that plane hijackings had been occurring regularly since the 1950's, and that the first recorded hijacking was in the early 1930's.

Please respond to the absolute crap you posted before, and are now trying to dodge having to answer for.