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You may not have a choice... if I'm right, then it's likely this trade-deal will be huge, this and will basically end our own apple growing industry,  eventually, to make the trade-deal worth NZ's while...because WTO dictates who produces, this and who sells to who...unless you live close to a local grower, who may end up burning his own orchard down anyway, because commercially, watering them to keep the supply up will be pointless and an expensive exercise in the long run if we are forced to compete with another coming in from NZ.

Naturally, Woolworths and Coles will stock the Apples in question, this and probably wont tell you given our labelling standards have relaxed since Rudd made a few changes so we couldn't identify foreign produce as readily, to give foreign trade partners a commercial consumer-based  advantage.

Howard was big on Australian made, Australian owned, etc etc   but things have now changed globally.

It may only be one species, ie, Granny Smith to start with...but as our orchards become increasingly diseased less resistant, how will we be able to compete with large commercial NZ growers spraying their trees with copper sulphate and bactericidal agents?

Anyway, now might be time to plant a few apple trees around your house if you can.

See, where as Howard was more considered, Rudd and Gillard just sign along the dotted line, whenever the UN say jump!

And silly us really thought we were paying these idiots to run the country, when it's clear, globally, they are becoming increasingly powerless and more dependent on these global organisations themselves.

One thing worries me, if a nations produce becomes contaminated for whatever reason, will all be as honest as they should be, if it means devastating losses to their primary industries?

Ie...melamine in infant formula, and many milk products ie lollies which found their way to our supermarket shelves....passed our 'said' stringent testing which I doubt exists.

If it did, how did these products find their way to our shelves to begin with in order to be recalled?


Thus I'm not so keen on foreign reliance!

Especially when it comes to food.

All is not Apples with Gillard, she speaks of a global empire, our having formed part of it...listen to this audio, to the left of the audio-bar you will see a white triangle, just click on it , it should start.

Let me know what you think.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2011/02/17/3141576.htm?site=goulburnmurray

mellie wrote on Feb 17^th, 2011 at 1:45pm:




I think you will find they will all be about the same price Fruit is not exactly cheap over there.. its the fruit from China I will avoid.

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we shouldnt have any problems dealing with NZ..and smithy between you and me we need to upgrade our products.. to be quite honest since I first came here in 59 I have seen a huge deterioration in our produce.

now that could all be what we are left with its to be hoped so... if we export anything like what we have to put up with it isnt any wonder..


when you put everything in perspective like weather like abundance of pasture. even rain. we should do better heaps better you and I should be eating first class all the way but we are not. and this saddens me..

bring back the taste and the smell dont you remember walking in to a greengrocers and smelling the fruit.. the pinapples and bananas.. now its nothing.. we pick everything before it ripens and thats when the taste a smell is developing.time to tell the food emporiums to get lost.

as for our meat again its lost its flavour

Australian growers have said imports of New Zealand apples could cost the major pip-fruit areas in New South Wales $30 million a year.

Think about rural communities, their livelihoods, their jobs.

All Gillard cares about is the NBN, now she's trying to flog the product to them.

eg: Pome fruit production (apples, pears and nashi pears) are Australia's largest fruit industry and had a gross value of $514 mil in 1996/97....I assume it would be much more now, but am off to bed, so will leave you this to think about.

Gillard doesn't think of the long term outcomes of her decisions, all she cares about is the round of applause she receives today.


Her children aren't what will be part of the future afterall.

So, why would she care?

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Yes, Howard's main uselfulness to this country was a lesson in not licking sour assholes.

His ultimate failure to our nation should have been a blessing if we read it right.

If we haven't learnt from Howard's drawn out failures, then his existence is ultimately worthless.
Atm, Hitler has far more realistic worth than Howard.