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Feb 15th, 2011 at 7:35pm
 
Is this Hockey trying to set himself up as a leadership contender?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/federal-opposition-politicising-the-funerals-of-christmas-island-asylum-seekers/story-fn59niix-1226006223081


I must admit, I like that Liberals do sometimes disagree with each other.  If only they had a viable leader...
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Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 7:38pm
 
We are on the verge of a bloody battle for control of the liberal party.

Hard Right Neo Cons Verses The Small L Liberals.


Small L's have the numbers to win and send neo cons into history.
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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 8:12pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 7:38pm:
We are on the verge of a bloody battle for control of the liberal party.

Hard Right Neo Cons Verses The Small L Liberals.


Small L's have the numbers to win and send neo cons into history.




sugar woody I am worried about you you been smoking funny cigarettes again?? watch out those neo cons are gunna get you.especially those great big ugly green ones.
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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 8:14pm
 
'Cods,' you are 'mellie.' Wanna deny it?
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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 8:26pm
 
By their heroes shall ye know them. For Tony Abbott the greatest world leaders of recent times are Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher; the greatest contemporary theologian, Pope Benedict; the greatest Australian churchman, Cardinal Pell; the greatest Australian prime ministers, Robert Menzies and John Howard. Abbott looks to Kevin Donnelly for matters educational, to Christopher Pearson for matters cultural, to Keith Windschuttle for his interpretation of Aboriginal history and to Ian Plimer as his source of understanding in the area of climate change. When thick-as-bricks Sarah Palin won the vice-presidential nomination for the Republican Party, Abbott claimed with a perfectly straight face that she was an outstanding politician with greater experience than Barack Obama or John McCain and that she had just “the right stuff for high office”. Tony Abbott last month floated the idea of taking the dole from anyone under 30 who wouldn’t go to live in an area of labour shortage such as Western Australia. This echoed a notorious suggestion of Margaret Thatcher’s first employment secretary, Norman Tebbit, who was reputed to have told the unemployed to get on their bikes.

I have nothing whatever personal against Abbott. But I fervently hope, for the sake of the country and also for the sake of the Liberal Party, that later this year he leads the Coalition to a crushing election defeat. And that the nation can then say, in a single voice: “Tony Abbott, on your bike!”

http://www.themonthly.com.au/nation-reviewed-robert-manne-comment-tony-abbott-24...


The Liberal Party is at a make of break party. Will Abbott look backwards while retreating the Liberal Party, or will a small L lead Liberals into this millennium. Time will tell.
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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 9:24pm
 
Senior Liberal Staffer Speaks Out: Hockey Must Go



An anonymous senior Liberal Party staffer writes on how Joe Hockey's position is no longer sustainable:

The most interesting development in the Liberal Party of the last fortnight has not been the “silent pause gaffe” by Tony Abbott when confronted by journalist Mark Riley. It is, in fact, Joe Hockey’s decision to undermine his Liberal colleague Scott Morrison, and contradict official party policy on the issue of taxpayer funds being used to ferry asylum seekers across the country. This is a day of remembrance of a tragedy, and we all feel great sympathy for those affected by the recent horrific events. Yet Hockey attempted to manipulate this and grandstand for his own personal advantage. And that is unacceptable. To take advantage of an event such as this to advance your own personal agenda is simply beyond the pale.

This is the demonstrated proof that Joe Hockey is completely ill-equipped to ever be a member of the leadership team of the Liberal Party. In fact, it is the last straw, after a string of gaffes and failures, and our parliamentary team is furious.

Joe Hockey has a teddy bear-like appearance and demeanour. He appealed to many viewers when he appeared on the Sunrise programme with Kevin Rudd. He no doubt enjoys a strong relationship with many journalists. To the average person in the street, Joe Hockey probably comes across as a likeable fellow.

I do not deny that people like Joe. After all, how could you not. Yet there is a big difference between being likable, and being leadership material (a lesson Kim Beazley learned well - and he was actually competent!)

Despite Joe Hockey's jockeying for the top job, however, the Liberal Party is truly fortunate to have had Tony Abbott elevated to the Leadership in the ballot of late-2009. A poll just a few days ago shows The Coalition leading Labor on the primary vote by 46 per cent to 32 - a far cry from when The Coalition was in the 20's under Malcolm Turnbull. Tony Abbott has turned the party around, achieved the impossible, and the vast majority of Coalition MP's thank him for it.

So, despite being touted as the popular choice by numerous two-bit internet polls, there can be no doubt that Hockey would have proven to be the one contender monstrously worse in the role (and not just worse than Malcolm – worse than Brendan Nelson, worse than Alexander Downer... possibly even worse than John Hewson).

Why? Because truth is, Joe Hockey is far more gaffe prone than anyone else on the front bench. Compiling a list of silly things he has said would prove an arduous task. This previous MH post does provide a list of utter failures of a policy nature - but it's only getting started. We also have his disgrace in the Tourism Portfolio (where he was demoted in utter humiliation), his failure in Finance... the list goes on. Suffice it to say: remember when Hockey couldn’t keep on message during the dying days of the 2007 federal election campaign, despite having been charged with one of the most important portfolios of the Government (and the campaign)? Leadership material? Give us a break.

If you seek certainties in this life, give Joe Hockey an important task to do and make sure there’s a camera crew present. The Liberal Party’s Press Office will be shuddering in front of the Sky news telecast. Because there can be no doubt that Hockey will stick his foot in his mouth. Again.

It’s now well past the point of being an amusing joke. We are the Party that gave Australia Peter Costello as our Treasurer. We pride outselves on our economic managment. To say to voters that we propose Joe Hockey be the next Liberal Treasurer is an incomprehensible fall from grace - and a stain on our reputation that will not easily be fixed.

There are countless advantages to a politician being jovial and likeable. However, from the point of view of an Opposition and the Party that values its economic credentials so highly, what is equally important is that the spotlight be shone constantly on the waste and mismanagement of an incompetent Labor Government. And Joe Hockey has consistently failed to do so. In seeking the spotlight for himself alone, he has failed to advance the position of The Coalition - and this has many backbench MP's running scared.

Given the ongoing issues that having Joe Hockey in such a vital portfolio presents, it has naturally meant that murmurings have begun within certain, key Liberal circles that with a new Parliamentary year should come a new Shadow Treasurer.

It is no secret that many Liberal MP's desire a new Shadow Treasurer who does not activly attack the Party line; Someone who does not seek personal attention at every waking turn; Someone who can stay true to Liberal values of small government when formulating policy.

We are beyond the point of backbencher despair - we are at the point of open revolt. While Shadow Cabinet can continue to put on a brave face, there can be no denying the panic that is spreading through the ranks as members view the destruction Hockey is causing. There can be no doubt that there needs to be a mechanism found quickly within the party to replace Hockey as Shadow Treasurer without resulting in a wider bloodbath [Ed: Give him Health?].

After all, we have a far safer pair of hands ready in Andrew Robb - an MP with a proven track record of competence, combined with a consistent history of supporting Liberal Party values and fighting for smaller govern
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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 9:25pm
 
government.

The replacement might be messy, but the public have come to expect something a lot better from the Liberal Party in such a vital area.
Enough is enough. The Joe Hockey circus must come to an end. The Australian people deserve more. The Liberal Party deserves more. Hockey must go - and soon.

This post was written by a Liberal Party staffer who requested their name not be revealed. Menzies House can confirm, however, that we have verified that the author does indeed work as a senior adviser for a member of the Shadow Ministry. Menzies House wishes to stress, however, that all contributions reflect only the views of their authors, and that we do not take any editorial position on such matters. We welcome submissions disagreeing with this post.

http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2011/02/senior-liberal-staffer-speaks-out-hockey-...
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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 9:35pm
 
[quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1297762536/0#5 date=1297769090]Senior Liberal Staffer Speaks Out: Hockey Must Go



An anonymous senior Liberal Party staffer writes on how Joe Hockey's position is no longer sustainable:

The most interesting development in the Liberal Party of the last fortnight has not been the “silent pause gaffe” by Tony Abbott when confronted by journalist Mark Riley. It is, in fact, Joe Hockey’s decision to undermine his Liberal colleague Scott Morrison, and contradict official party policy on the issue of taxpayer funds being used to ferry asylum seekers across the country. This is a day of remembrance of a tragedy, and we all feel great sympathy for those affected by the recent horrific events. Yet Hockey attempted to manipulate this and grandstand for his own personal advantage. And that is unacceptable. To take advantage of an event such as this to advance your own personal agenda is simply beyond the pale.

This is the demonstrated proof that Joe Hockey is completely ill-equipped to ever be a member of the leadership team of the Liberal Party. In fact, it is the last straw, after a string of gaffes and failures, and our parliamentary team is furious.

Joe Hockey has a teddy bear-like appearance and demeanour. He appealed to many viewers when he appeared on the Sunrise programme with Kevin Rudd. He no doubt enjoys a strong relationship with many journalists. To the average person in the street, Joe Hockey probably comes across as a likeable fellow.

I do not deny that people like Joe. After all, how could you not. Yet there is a big difference between being likable, and being leadership material (a lesson Kim Beazley learned well - and he was actually competent!)

Despite Joe Hockey's jockeying for the top job, however, the Liberal Party is truly fortunate to have had Tony Abbott elevated to the Leadership in the ballot of late-2009. A poll just a few days ago shows The Coalition leading Labor on the primary vote by 46 per cent to 32 - a far cry from when The Coalition was in the 20's under Malcolm Turnbull. Tony Abbott has turned the party around, achieved the impossible, and the vast majority of Coalition MP's thank him for it.

So, despite being touted as the popular choice by numerous two-bit internet polls, there can be no doubt that Hockey would have proven to be the one contender monstrously worse in the role (and not just worse than Malcolm – worse than Brendan Nelson, worse than Alexander Downer... possibly even worse than John Hewson).

Why? Because truth is, Joe Hockey is far more gaffe prone than anyone else on the front bench. Compiling a list of silly things he has said would prove an arduous task. This previous MH post does provide a list of utter failures of a policy nature - but it's only getting started. We also have his disgrace in the Tourism Portfolio (where he was demoted in utter humiliation), his failure in Finance... the list goes on. Suffice it to say: remember when Hockey couldn’t keep on message during the dying days of the 2007 federal election campaign, despite having been charged with one of the most important portfolios of the Government (and the campaign)? Leadership material? Give us a break.

If you seek certainties in this life, give Joe Hockey an important task to do and make sure there’s a camera crew present. The Liberal Party’s Press Office will be shuddering in front of the Sky news telecast. Because there can be no doubt that Hockey will stick his foot in his mouth. Again.

It’s now well past the point of being an amusing joke. We are the Party that gave Australia Peter Costello as our Treasurer. We pride outselves on our economic managment. To say to voters that we propose Joe Hockey be the next Liberal Treasurer is an incomprehensible fall from grace - and a stain on our reputation that will not easily be fixed.

There are countless advantages to a politician being jovial and likeable. However, from the point of view of an Opposition and the Party that values its economic credentials so highly, what is equally important is that the spotlight be shone constantly on the waste and mismanagement of an incompetent Labor Government. And Joe Hockey has consistently failed to do so. In seeking the spotlight for himself alone, he has failed to advance the position of The Coalition - and this has many backbench MP's running scared.

Given the ongoing issues that having Joe Hockey in such a vital portfolio presents, it has naturally meant that murmurings have begun within certain, key Liberal circles that with a new Parliamentary year should come a new Shadow Treasurer.

It is no secret that many Liberal MP's desire a new Shadow Treasurer who does not activly attack the Party line; Someone who does not seek personal attention at every waking turn; Someone who can stay true to Liberal values of small government when formulating policy.

We are beyond the point of backbencher despair - we are at the point of open revolt. While Shadow Cabinet can continue to put on a brave face, there can be no denying the panic that is spreading through the ranks as members view the destruction Hockey is causing. There can be no doubt that there needs to be a mechanism found quickly within the party to replace Hockey as Shadow Treasurer without resulting in a wider bloodbath [Ed: Give him Health?].

After all, we have a far safer pair of hands ready in Andrew Robb - an MP with a proven track record
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Crikey, that opinion piece is so counter-intuitive that it's scary - the Libs really have been taken over by far right nutjobs!


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Equitist wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 9:45pm:
Crikey, that opinion piece is so counter-intuitive that it's scary - the Libs really have been taken over by far right nutjobs!




The Liberal Party had a real chance to dislodge an incompetent Labor government at the last election but fell just short.....The Liberal party will narrow there appeal if they continue to push the hard right dogma.....A Hockey, Pyne or Turnbull would moderate the Liberals to appeal to a much broader voter base....Labor have to deliver in this term or they deserve to be voted out of government....but I doubt Tony Abbott will appeal to enough voters now they have seen more of his leadership skills!!!

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Broad Church???????????????????????
Only if your singing from the same hymn sheet it seems.
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Reply #11 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 10:12pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 10:02pm:
Equitist wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 9:45pm:
Crikey, that opinion piece is so counter-intuitive that it's scary - the Libs really have been taken over by far right nutjobs!




The Liberal Party had a real chance to dislodge an incompetent Labor government at the last election but fell just short.....The Liberal party will narrow there appeal if they continue to push the hard right dogma.....A Hockey, Pyne or Turnbull would moderate the Liberals to appeal to a much broader voter base....Labor have to deliver in this term or they deserve to be voted out of government....but I doubt Tony Abbott will appeal to enough voters now they have seen more of his leadership skills!!!

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Abbott is streaks ahead of 'On the run' Gillard. At least he's consistent, not perfect, but at least stands by his convictions.
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Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 10:08pm:
Broad Church???????????????????????
Only if your singing from the same hymn sheet it seems.


Do you oppose religion Smithy???

Huh
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Crikey, I just realised that this came from a right wing source!!!

If Hockey gets the boot, then what would stop him and Turnbull (and other moderates) from teaming up to split the party right down the middle!?

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Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 10:26pm
 
HC wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 10:12pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 10:02pm:
Equitist wrote on Feb 15th, 2011 at 9:45pm:
Crikey, that opinion piece is so counter-intuitive that it's scary - the Libs really have been taken over by far right nutjobs!




The Liberal Party had a real chance to dislodge an incompetent Labor government at the last election but fell just short.....The Liberal party will narrow there appeal if they continue to push the hard right dogma.....A Hockey, Pyne or Turnbull would moderate the Liberals to appeal to a much broader voter base....Labor have to deliver in this term or they deserve to be voted out of government....but I doubt Tony Abbott will appeal to enough voters now they have seen more of his leadership skills!!!

Wink

Abbott is streaks ahead of 'On the run' Gillard. At least he's consistent, not perfect, but at least stands by his convictions.


Yes.....he is consistent!!!
Yes.....he is not perfect!!!
Yes.....he stands by his convictions!!!

That is the problem.....Abbott is certain he is right but he is unpredictable!!!

Not to be absolutely certain is, I think, one of the essential things in rationality.
Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970), "Am I An Atheist Or An Agnostic?", 1947

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