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Bob Brown Says He Will Take On Rio Tinto.
Feb 13th, 2011 at 5:54pm
 
Greens take hard line on compensation


BIG business pressure for generous carbon price compensation has been flatly rejected by the Greens, who will play a key role in the development of climate change policy.   Smiley

As chief executives from some of the nation's biggest companies attended climate change talks in Sydney yesterday, the Greens highlighted the fraught political landscape confronting the government's push for a carbon price.

After the Herald revealed growing unease among business leaders over the government's negotiations with the Greens, the party's leader, Bob Brown, vowed to challenge the resources industry in its campaign for compensation.   Smiley


Senator Brown accused Rio Tinto of trying to ''gouge'' public money after this week unveiling a record profit of $US14 billion.   Angry 

Rio Tinto, which owns half the country's aluminium smelters, is understood to be lobbying to ensure it is protected against higher electricity prices.

But Senator Brown said he would ''take on'' Rio, which he said would have pocketed $565 million a year under the abandoned carbon pollution reduction scheme. The Greens blocked that scheme, claiming that the compensation it offered to trade-exposed sectors and the power industry was excessive.

The Treasurer, Wayne Swan, was co-chairman yesterday of the meeting of executives from companies including BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto, NAB, Woolworths, Qantas and Origin Energy.

It is understood most of the executives agreed a carbon price was inevitable, but stressed the need to avoid ''unintended consequences'' for the economy. One said trade-exposed companies including BHP and Rio Tinto appeared ''nervous'', and were the most vocal in explaining their situation to the government.

''There's this feeling that this government is going to do a deal with the Greens at the end of the day and companies are nervous about that agreement and are trying to control it,'' the source said.

Another said business leaders argued strongly against any cuts to compensation. ''Industry sees it as a starting point, not as something that you might reduce,'' the source said.

A spokesman for Mr Swan said the government was working through issues such as compensation in the multi-party climate change committee, and that was only at the early stages of discussion.
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Reply #1 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm
 
Vote 1- Australian Greens.  The fair and sensible People.   Smiley
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Reply #2 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:15pm
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Now there would be an even fight.

Rio Tinto and Bob Brown!!
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Well at least hes giving it a go.  Good on you Bob.   Smiley
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:21pm
 
By the way Imcrook, I thought you'd be a fan of Rio Tinto - they pay their workers a fair wage.

Back in '09 I was looking at some contracting work for them in Melbourne and they had a Finance role for 3 months for $75 per hour.

Good wages.
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:30pm
 
Not an us and them situation. If companies pollute, then they pay for the luxury.

Would Liberals allow nuke companies to pollute for free?
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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:34pm
 
Here's some political reality for you -

Julia Gillard if she wishes to complete her promise break and bring in a carbon tax (when she said she wouldn't) then she needs to give concessions to the large mining companies and industry polluters.

If she doesn't they will bury her with their attacks - like they did Rudd. They have ENDLESS resources worth billions.

So Gillard will make concessions and agree a compromise.

The Greens will then have to move from their no concessions position or kill the bill.
If they kill the bill - we have no carbon tax.

It's win-win from my perspective.
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:46pm
 


____ wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:30pm:
Not an us and them situation. If companies pollute, then they pay for the luxury.

Would Liberals allow nuke companies to pollute for free?


Actually, I fear that they would!

;-(

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Reply #8 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:48pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:34pm:
Here's some political reality for you -

Julia Gillard if she wishes to complete her promise break and bring in a carbon tax (when she said she wouldn't) then she needs to give concessions to the large mining companies and industry polluters.

If she doesn't they will bury her with their attacks - like they did Rudd. They have ENDLESS resources worth billions.

So Gillard will make concessions and agree a compromise.

The Greens will then have to move from their no concessions position or kill the bill.
If they kill the bill - we have no carbon tax.

It's win-win from my perspective.




Yet you missed out one element in your equation, the voters. Will they  accept a tax that gives billions to the wealthy, for nothing in return. I reckon they will not.

A Tax on Carbon Pollution while the coal companies get a free ride on the backs of tax paying working class Australians
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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:42pm
 
____ wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:48pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:34pm:
Here's some political reality for you -

Julia Gillard if she wishes to complete her promise break and bring in a carbon tax (when she said she wouldn't) then she needs to give concessions to the large mining companies and industry polluters.

If she doesn't they will bury her with their attacks - like they did Rudd. They have ENDLESS resources worth billions.

So Gillard will make concessions and agree a compromise.

The Greens will then have to move from their no concessions position or kill the bill.
If they kill the bill - we have no carbon tax.

It's win-win from my perspective.




Yet you missed out one element in your equation, the voters. Will they  accept a tax that gives billions to the wealthy, for nothing in return. I reckon they will not.

A Tax on Carbon Pollution while the coal companies get a free ride on the backs of tax paying working class Australians




can you explain to me what is the point of a carbon tax.. say for instance $20.per.what is the point if they get concessions of say $10.. but pass on the tax of $20 where is the benefit of all that to us the VOTERS..there was talk about concession for us as well. but would we get them every year.. or would they be a one off.

can anyone see us come out of this in front?

I too would like to see booby take on Rio Tinto..lets see him win a good clean fight!
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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:16am
 
____ wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:48pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:34pm:
Here's some political reality for you -

Julia Gillard if she wishes to complete her promise break and bring in a carbon tax (when she said she wouldn't) then she needs to give concessions to the large mining companies and industry polluters.

If she doesn't they will bury her with their attacks - like they did Rudd. They have ENDLESS resources worth billions.

So Gillard will make concessions and agree a compromise.

The Greens will then have to move from their no concessions position or kill the bill.
If they kill the bill - we have no carbon tax.

It's win-win from my perspective.




Yet you missed out one element in your equation, the voters. Will they  accept a tax that gives billions to the wealthy, for nothing in return. I reckon they will not.

A Tax on Carbon Pollution while the coal companies get a free ride on the backs of tax paying working class Australians


Given that 81% of voters voted for the two parties that were AGAINST carbon tax, they are just as likely to annihilate the parties that rebuke their clear and mandated choice - NO CARBON TAX.
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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:53am
 
As a shareowner of Rio Tinto, I look forward to being on the other side in the fight with Bobby Brown and his hippies.
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Lets see...given that the latest polls show that the majority of Aussies are up for a carbon price, whether the mining parasites who puppeteer the Liberal Party get the same sort of support that Gerry Harvey got recently, eh!?


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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:03am
 
imcrook, I know I haven't been here for long (too long for some) but wouldn't a lot of your posts be more appropriate in the politics board?
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So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.
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Verge wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:26am:
So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.



I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!




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Reply #16 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:40am
 
Agree Verge.

The Liberals are the only ones with a non-moveable position to gain from this.

I'll be delighted to see no carbon tax.

If the Greens don't move, the Labor party don't move and the multi-nationals don't move.

That's exactly what we'll get!!

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:40am:
Agree Verge.

The Liberals are the only ones with a non-moveable position to gain from this.

I'll be delighted to see no carbon tax.

If the Greens don't move, the Labor party don't move and the multi-nationals don't move.

That's exactly what we'll get!!

Smiley



Mark my words, it will be the dogmatically-immovable stance of the Libs that will be the source of their next bloody leadership spill - and it won't be pretty...


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Reply #18 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:46am
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:42am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:40am:
Agree Verge.

The Liberals are the only ones with a non-moveable position to gain from this.

I'll be delighted to see no carbon tax.

If the Greens don't move, the Labor party don't move and the multi-nationals don't move.

That's exactly what we'll get!!

Smiley



Mark my words, it will be the dogmatically-immovable stance of the Libs that will be the source of their next bloody leadership spill - and it won't be pretty...



You mean like the   BACK STABBING OF KEVY BABE      LOL    Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin  But thats OK for labor to do               lol Grin
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Reply #19 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:47am
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:39am:
Verge wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:26am:
So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.



I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!


Okay then precious, where is the mining tax then?

If it was so good Gillard would have had it to the floor by now.  Obviously the pollies see more value in quiet multi-nationals than voters.

Whether or not you agree with it, money talks and BS walks.
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Reply #20 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:54am
 


Verge wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:47am:
Equitist wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:39am:
Verge wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:26am:
So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.



I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!


Okay then precious, where is the mining tax then?

If it was so good Gillard would have had it to the floor by now.  Obviously the pollies see more value in quiet multi-nationals than voters.

Whether or not you agree with it, money talks and BS walks.



LOL...in case you haven't noticed: Action Man Abbo can't walk and talk BS at the same time...

In all seriousness, though, the Labs will face an uphill battle with the mining parasites - but Abbott & Co bend over and consumate their relationship with those same parasites, then they might find themselves royalty-screwed and politically-fecked...


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Reply #21 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 2:30pm
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:54am:
Verge wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:47am:
Equitist wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:39am:
Verge wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:26am:
So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.



I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!


Okay then precious, where is the mining tax then?

If it was so good Gillard would have had it to the floor by now.  Obviously the pollies see more value in quiet multi-nationals than voters.

Whether or not you agree with it, money talks and BS walks.



LOL...in case you haven't noticed: Action Man Abbo can't walk and talk BS at the same time...

In all seriousness, though, the Labs will face an uphill battle with the mining parasites - but Abbott & Co bend over and consumate their relationship with those same parasites, then they might find themselves royalty-screwed and politically-fecked...



How are a group of companies that employ 30,000+ Australians and contribute billions of dollars to the economy, and supply most of the resources that keep Australia running ...."parasites"???
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Reply #22 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 2:37pm
 
According to Thy every multi-national is a parasite.

Any company run by shareholders is a parasite.

It seems she is in favour of mass nationalisation and Government controlled entities.

The fact that these entities through the 1970s were the most inefficient and bureaucratic waste of resources ever seen seems to have by-passed her socialist driven thought process.
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 2:37pm:
According to Thy every multi-national is a parasite.

Any company run by shareholders is a parasite.

It seems she is in favour of mass nationalisation and Government controlled entities.

The fact that these entities through the 1970s were the most inefficient and bureaucratic waste of resources ever seen seems to have by-passed her socialist driven thought process.


Nationalisation doesn't always work...Look at Venezuela as an example....Chavez nationalised the petrol industry and put a 'maximum' price on staple foods etc....

The petrol is cheap as, but they have to import milk, meat, eggs and bread.....because the 'maximum price' is so low that the producers can't make a living off it...

People can't eat petrol though...
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Reply #24 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 7:16pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 2:45pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 2:37pm:
According to Thy every multi-national is a parasite.

Any company run by shareholders is a parasite.

It seems she is in favour of mass nationalisation and Government controlled entities.

The fact that these entities through the 1970s were the most inefficient and bureaucratic waste of resources ever seen seems to have by-passed her socialist driven thought process.


Nationalisation doesn't always work...Look at Venezuela as an example....Chavez nationalised the petrol industry and put a 'maximum' price on staple foods etc....

The petrol is cheap as, but they have to import milk, meat, eggs and bread.....because the 'maximum price' is so low that the producers can't make a living off it...

People can't eat petrol though...



Nationalisation always drags everything it touches, down to the level of the lowest common denominator, it`s a system for the lazy and greedy.
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Equitist wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:39am:
Verge wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:26am:
So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.



I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!







Rip off? Parasites?  This is your reaction to success?  To people taking risks and getting good returns?  These returns are healthy, for now, but the investment is also large, and risky.

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My contention is that finite natural resources have been grossly under-priced by global markets - because our short-sighted pollies (and forefathers) have never bothered to take responsibility for factoring-in the opportunity costs and inter-generational impact of mass-extraction and mass-consumption of finite ore and fuel resources...

The parasitic nature of the minerals industry has been recklessly-facilitated by those short-sighted pollies (and forefathers)...



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Reply #27 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:56pm
 
Verge wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:26am:
So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.



The reason The Greens were excluded was because Mr Rudd feared the Greens getting any credit. Also Greens would of explained well, the pitfalls of flooding a carbon price with lots of free permits. All the Greens would have to do is point to all those free water permits.
Then there was the issue the previous ETS failed, it had no benefit to the environment.

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Reply #28 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:32pm
 
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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Re: Bob Brown Says He Will Take On Rio Tinto.
Reply #29 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 9:40pm
 
Equitist wrote on Feb 14th, 2011 at 8:41pm:
My contention is that finite natural resources have been grossly under-priced by global markets - because our short-sighted pollies (and forefathers) have never bothered to take responsibility for factoring-in the opportunity costs and inter-generational impact of mass-extraction and mass-consumption of finite ore and fuel resources...

The parasitic nature of the minerals industry has been recklessly-facilitated by those short-sighted pollies (and forefathers)...




It all comes down to the fact that we, in the western world, reckon we're a cut above!

How united, and therefore unfit to fight off the terrorist threat, can we be when we are being divided by the consumeristic greed that is fashion victimitus!??!

SOME OF US TALK TO OUR NEIGHBOURS! A LOT DON'T!!

WE HAVE TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! MARKETS SUPPLY THE DEMAND THAT IS THERE!!

Sure you could say that the price has been grossly underestimated! Gravity can only be worked out between two point masses!

WE have to take responsibility for our greed, and the consequences that come from ignoring it as a problem!
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Re: Bob Brown Says He Will Take On Rio Tinto.
Reply #30 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 12:01am
 

hahahhaha - Bob Brown against Rio.

Put my money on Rio.
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Re: Bob Brown Says He Will Take On Rio Tinto.
Reply #31 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 9:43am
 
Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to see a multi-national giant of which I am a shareholder smash that idiot into the ground.
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Re: Bob Brown Says He Will Take On Rio Tinto.
Reply #32 - Feb 15th, 2011 at 9:55am
 
I am quite looking forward to seeing this.  For once Bob wont be able to just be a mouth peice, and will have to put his creditentials forward.

We will see how he goes.  Lets see if he has half the metal he thinks he doesn.
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