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Reply #15 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:39am

Verge wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:26am:

So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.

I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!

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Reply #17 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:42am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

Agree Verge.

The Liberals are the only ones with a non-moveable position to gain from this.

I'll be delighted to see no carbon tax.

If the Greens don't move, the Labor party don't move and the multi-nationals don't move.

That's exactly what we'll get!!

Mark my words, it will be the dogmatically-immovable stance of the Libs that will be the source of their next bloody leadership spill - and it won't be pretty...

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Reply #18 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:46am

Equitist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:42am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

Agree Verge.

The Liberals are the only ones with a non-moveable position to gain from this.

I'll be delighted to see no carbon tax.

If the Greens don't move, the Labor party don't move and the multi-nationals don't move.

That's exactly what we'll get!!

Mark my words, it will be the dogmatically-immovable stance of the Libs that will be the source of their next bloody leadership spill - and it won't be pretty...

You mean like the BACK STABBING OF KEVY BABE LOL Grin

But thats OK for labor to do lol Grin

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Re: Bob Brown Says He Will Take On Rio Tinto.
Reply #19 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:47am

Equitist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:39am:

Verge wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:26am:

So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.

I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!

Okay then precious, where is the mining tax then?

If it was so good Gillard would have had it to the floor by now. Obviously the pollies see more value in quiet multi-nationals than voters.

Whether or not you agree with it, money talks and BS walks.

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Reply #20 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:54am

Verge wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:47am:

Equitist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:39am:

Verge wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:26am:

So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.

I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!

Okay then precious, where is the mining tax then?

If it was so good Gillard would have had it to the floor by now. Obviously the pollies see more value in quiet multi-nationals than voters.

Whether or not you agree with it, money talks and BS walks.

LOL...in case you haven't noticed: Action Man Abbo can't walk and talk BS at the same time...

In all seriousness, though, the Labs will face an uphill battle with the mining parasites - but Abbott & Co bend over and consumate their relationship with those same parasites, then they might find themselves royalty-screwed and politically-fecked...

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Reply #21 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 2:30pm

Equitist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:54am:

Verge wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:47am:

Equitist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:39am:

Verge wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:26am:

So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.

I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!

Okay then precious, where is the mining tax then?

If it was so good Gillard would have had it to the floor by now. Obviously the pollies see more value in quiet multi-nationals than voters.

Whether or not you agree with it, money talks and BS walks.

LOL...in case you haven't noticed: Action Man Abbo can't walk and talk BS at the same time...

In all seriousness, though, the Labs will face an uphill battle with the mining parasites - but Abbott & Co bend over and consumate their relationship with those same parasites, then they might find themselves royalty-screwed and politically-fecked...

How are a group of companies that employ 30,000+ Australians and contribute billions of dollars to the economy, and supply most of the resources that keep Australia running ...."parasites"???

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Reply #22 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 2:37pm

According to Thy every multi-national is a parasite.

Any company run by shareholders is a parasite.

It seems she is in favour of mass nationalisation and Government controlled entities.

The fact that these entities through the 1970s were the most inefficient and bureaucratic waste of resources ever seen seems to have by-passed her socialist driven thought process.

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Reply #23 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 2:45pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

According to Thy every multi-national is a parasite.

Any company run by shareholders is a parasite.

It seems she is in favour of mass nationalisation and Government controlled entities.

The fact that these entities through the 1970s were the most inefficient and bureaucratic waste of resources ever seen seems to have by-passed her socialist driven thought process.

Nationalisation doesn't always work...Look at Venezuela as an example....Chavez nationalised the petrol industry and put a 'maximum' price on staple foods etc....

The petrol is cheap as, but they have to import milk, meat, eggs and bread.....because the 'maximum price' is so low that the producers can't make a living off it...

People can't eat petrol though...

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Reply #24 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 7:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 2:45pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

According to Thy every multi-national is a parasite.

Any company run by shareholders is a parasite.

It seems she is in favour of mass nationalisation and Government controlled entities.

The fact that these entities through the 1970s were the most inefficient and bureaucratic waste of resources ever seen seems to have by-passed her socialist driven thought process.

Nationalisation doesn't always work...Look at Venezuela as an example....Chavez nationalised the petrol industry and put a 'maximum' price on staple foods etc....

The petrol is cheap as, but they have to import milk, meat, eggs and bread.....because the 'maximum price' is so low that the producers can't make a living off it...

People can't eat petrol though...

Nationalisation always drags everything it touches, down to the level of the lowest common denominator, it`s a system for the lazy and greedy.

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Re: Bob Brown Says He Will Take On Rio Tinto.
Reply #25 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 7:20pm

Equitist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:39am:

Verge wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:26am:

So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.

I agree that there will be a lot of public brandishing of swords over this - but do not over-estimate the political nous of Abbott & Co to choose the most popular and victorious strategy...

Stay tuned, cos the issue of carbon pricing, coupled with the antics of the powerful mining parasites, could yet make or break the future of any political party in Oz...

Any party, that self-servingly sells its soul - along with the profits from our finite national resources - to multinational parasites, should expect a savage kicking at the ballot box for years to come...

Hint: every time that a mining parasite henceforth announces a multi-billion dollar profit, the electorate will be reminded that the Libs self-servingly facilitated the rip-off!

Rip off? Parasites? This is your reaction to success? To people taking risks and getting good returns? These returns are healthy, for now, but the investment is also large, and risky.

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Reply #26 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:41pm

My contention is that finite natural resources have been grossly under-priced by global markets - because our short-sighted pollies (and forefathers) have never bothered to take responsibility for factoring-in the opportunity costs and inter-generational impact of mass-extraction and mass-consumption of finite ore and fuel resources...

The parasitic nature of the minerals industry has been recklessly-facilitated by those short-sighted pollies (and forefathers)...

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Reply #27 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:56pm

Verge wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 10:26am:

So what happens if the ALP wont cave and either will the greens you know who wins - the Liberals.

They will sit back and watch these two squabble without giving an inch and nothing will happen as a result.

Much like the same reason why the Greens werent brought to the table when the ETS was under discussion.

The reason The Greens were excluded was because Mr Rudd feared the Greens getting any credit. Also Greens would of explained well, the pitfalls of flooding a carbon price with lots of free permits. All the Greens would have to do is point to all those free water permits.
Then there was the issue the previous ETS failed, it had no benefit to the environment.

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Reply #28 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:32pm

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Reply #29 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:40pm

Equitist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:41pm:

My contention is that finite natural resources have been grossly under-priced by global markets - because our short-sighted pollies (and forefathers) have never bothered to take responsibility for factoring-in the opportunity costs and inter-generational impact of mass-extraction and mass-consumption of finite ore and fuel resources...

The parasitic nature of the minerals industry has been recklessly-facilitated by those short-sighted pollies (and forefathers)...

It all comes down to the fact that we, in the western world, reckon we're a cut above!

How united, and therefore unfit to fight off the terrorist threat, can we be when we are being divided by the consumeristic greed that is fashion victimitus!??!

SOME OF US TALK TO OUR NEIGHBOURS! A LOT DON'T!!

WE HAVE TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! MARKETS SUPPLY THE DEMAND THAT IS THERE!!

Sure you could say that the price has been grossly underestimated! Gravity can only be worked out between two point masses!

WE have to take responsibility for our greed, and the consequences that come from ignoring it as a problem!

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