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Reply #90 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 5:56pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 5:46pm:
Not at all .. kindly re read Reply #82 - Today at 4:28pm



So you are wanting to dictate how this thread progresses. Why?


Underlining reason for private schools to ban gay students is because of the hatred of gays by the church. Jesus being gay means the church hates him.
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Reply #91 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:00pm
 
1) So you are wanting to dictate how this thread progresses. Why?

2) Underlining reason for private schools to ban gay students is because of the hatred of gays by the church. Jesus being gay means the church hates him.

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1) Not at all .. seems you are though.

2) All unsubstantiated conjecture on your part and not at all supported by anything in your own OP.
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Reply #92 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:01pm
 
Not sure why you're not bothering to read my previous posts given we're just going round in circles now Greens
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Reply #93 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:00pm:
1) So you are wanting to dictate how this thread progresses. Why?

2) Underlining reason for private schools to ban gay students is because of the hatred of gays by the church. Jesus being gay means the church hates him.

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1) Not at all .. seems you are though.

2) All unsubstantiated conjecture on your part and not at all supported by anything in your own OP.





Unsubstantiated ... like this

"Quite simple. Some parts of God's original Holy Word are inconvenient and do not support the agendas of certain types of people. "


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There is more evidence that Jesus was Gay ... in the mean time the christian private schools attack gay students. Who is wrong, Jesus or the religious schools.
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Reply #94 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:54pm
 
So the debate is shifting outside of your comfort zone Lisa. You where happy to discuss until you started to lose your footing.

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Not at all .. we're just going round in circles atm .. and that doesn't help anyone Greens.

You know I've even kindly invited you to start your own topic in Spirituality so we can discuss this further.

You've not done so .. it's no big deal though .. I've done it for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1297586894/0#0

There you go .. the floor is all yours Greens.
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Reply #95 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:56pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:54pm:
We're STILL going round in circles .. and that doesn't help anyone Greens.

I've even kindly invited you to start your own topic in Spirituality so we can discuss this further.

Here .. I've done it for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1297586894/0#0

There you go .. the floor is all yours Greens.


Then off you go ... meanwhile the homosexuality of Jesus plays a part in this topic.


How can a religious school ban gay children yet embrace a gay Jesus.
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Reply #96 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:58pm
 
No it doesn't .. it's playing a big part in your mind only.

There is nothing in the OP to suggest what you are now asserting at all.
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Reply #97 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:04pm
 
In fact Greens .. I am putting it to you here and now .. you're just making things up as YOU go along to suit your own personal agenda which has nothing at all to do with the contents of the OP.

And now you've got a wonderful opportunity to discuss and argue if and why you think Jesus was gay .. and you're running well away from the topic.

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Reply #98 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:04pm
 
A SENIOR Anglican bishop calls it "appalling" and a gay and lesbian rights group condemns it as "deeply offensive", but the Attorney-General, John Hatzistergos, backs a NSW law that allows private schools to expel gay students simply for being gay.

Through a spokesman, Mr Hatzistergos, described the 30-year-old law as necessary "to maintain a sometimes delicate balance between protecting individuals from unlawful discrimination while allowing people to practise their own beliefs".


And the belief is Gay is Evil.

Yet how can gay be evil since Jesus is gay and the christian religion is based on a gay man's life.
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Reply #99 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:08pm
 
Oh good .. so you're finally reading your own OP again Greens.

Now .. just from that portion alone ..  slowly tell me .. who is initiating/supporting the move again? A member of Parliament .. yes?

What does that Anglican clergyman have to say about it?

Hmmm ???

You see .. you're not really reading what's there Greens. But you are reading a lot INTO it. Ya dig?

Perhaps now you may see why I kept saying your OP does NOT support anything you are saying.
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Reply #100 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:08pm
 
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There is more evidence that Jesus was Gay ...  



Like a true Green, you have been repeating this mantra without providing any of the evidence. And I mean evidence, not conjecture. Chanting slogans is an argument only for Greens. Just saying the same thing a million times does not congeal it into evidence. I am sorry I have to spell out this elemental truth to you but you are a Green and you have given countless instances of evidence of not yet understanding it.

Bob Brown is gay. He is the Big Knob among Greens. You are Green. Ergo: you ae gay.
This is a rock solid argument compared to your endless autistic repetition.




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Reply #101 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:12pm
 


Soren wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:08pm:
____ wrote on Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm:
There is more evidence that Jesus was Gay ...  



Like a true Green, you have been repeating this mantra without providing any of the evidence. And I mean evidence, not conjecture. Chanting slogans is an argument only for Greens. Just saying the same thing a million times does not congeal it into evidence. I am sorry I have to spell out this elemental truth to you but you are a Green and you have given countless instances of evidence of not yet understanding it.



Perhaps, Soren, you could provide evidence which supports your own religious beliefs...


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Reply #102 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:14pm
 
Well said Soren .. and not only that ... he's not really reading what his OP article is actually saying.

If anything .. the article contradicts his own posts. Hence why I gently suggested (many times even) .. that Greens refer to his OP because it isn't supporting what he is asserting.

It always amazes me how blinkered some people are when they come into forums like this with their own personal agendas .. armed with articles which have nothing to do with the agendas they are pushing.

And Greens .. that is all you've attempted to do here this afternoon .. and you've not been successful at all. If anything you've shown yourself to be very slack and incompetent.

Never mind .. learning curve experiences are good for us all. Better luck next time.
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Reply #103 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:19pm
 
     "In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 One might argue that Jesus loved all of his followers in a non-sexual way. Thus to identify Jesus' love for John in a special way might indicate a sexual relationship. The disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.

During the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, the author(s) of the Gospel of John describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20. Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand." 5

On the other hand:
bullet      Some commentators have suggested that it was a common practice in Judea at that time for heterosexual man to lay his head on another's undergarment. Such behavior was common between two heterosexuals in an emotionally close but non-erotic relationship during the first century CE. 6

Jenny Stokes, research director for Saltshakers, a conservative Christian group in Australia, said that there are five words for love in Greek (the language in which the Gospels were written:
     Agape: spiritual, unconditional love,
Eros: erotic love,
Philia: love between friends,
Storge: familial love.

The Gospel references to "the disciple whom Jesus loved" use the word "agape."  3 Whether the authors originally used "eros" and the word was subsequently changed is open to speculation.

     "Jagannath" interprets the Gospels differently. He argues that Jesus may have been bisexual. He wrote:

       "In the Book of John a word is used eight times that means 'is in love with' with the implication of sexual intimacy. Five times it is used with reference to Jesus' relationship with John. Once it is used to define Jesus' relationship with Lazarus. And it is also used to describe his relationship with Mary and with her sister Martha." 7

     During the crucifixion, in John 19:26-28, Jesus is described as seeing his mother and an unidentified man: "the disciple standing by, whom he loved." Again, Jesus probably loved all of his 12 or 70 disciples in a non-sexual manner. But this particular disciple is identified as "the" disciple who Jesus loved. That might indicate a special intimate relationship with one special disciple.

The late Morton Smith, of Columbia University reported in 1958 that he had found a fragment of a manuscript which at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem. It contained the full text of Mark, chapter 10. Apparently the version that is in the Christian Scriptures is an edited version of the original. Additional verses allegedly formed part of the full version of Mark, and were inserted after verse 34. It discusses how a young man, naked but for a linen covering, expressed his love for Jesus and stayed with him at his place all night. More details.

"J Richards" suggested that Mark 7:14-16 shows that Jesus approves of homosexual acts. The critical phrase reads: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him..." Richards suggests that Jesus gave great emphasis to this teaching, directing it to everyone. Richards suggests that the sentence refers to dietary laws and also extends to  "blood transfusions, medication, organ transplants, and artificial insemination" and to homosexual acts as well. 8

On the other hand, these words have historically been interpreted as overturning the Mosaic law about eating,

     Rollan McCleary, was awarded his doctorate from the University of Queensland in Australia during 2003-MAY for his work researching the sexual orientation of Jesus and his disciples. He obtained about $33,000 US in funding from the government to finance his degree. He concluded that Jesus and at least three of his disciples were gay. He based this conclusion on excerpts from the Gospel of John and on Jesus' astrological chart based on the approximate year, month, day and place where he was born. But not even the year of Jesus' birth is known. Many theologians have concluded that Jesus was born sometime in the Fall, between 4 and 7 BCE. Also, there is disagreement about where Jesus was born. Different theologians argue Bethlehem in Judea, Nazareth, and Bethlehem in the Galilee. The task of creating an astrological chart appears quite impossible. Dr. McCleary told Australian Broadcasting Commission radio that, in the past, "one or two queer theologians" had attempted to show Jesus was gay. "People haven't taken them very seriously because they don't have any evidence and they say things so sensationally that people are not really going to listen or just be very angry. What I'm doing is showing a much more theological and also astrological dimension on all this which will make a lot more sense to people." 9 He has written a book based on his doctoral thesis which was published in 2004. 18

     An anonymous webmaster wrote about a revelation that he received during her/his daily prayer and meditation:

       "Suddenly many aspects of the New Testament made sense. Jesus never married. He preached love, tolerance, and forgiveness of sins. He did not condemn and vilify as his so-called followers do today. He surrounded himself with
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Reply #104 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:19pm
 
       men whom he loved. The Bible says nothing of Jesus' sexuality, yet we are taught that he was both divine and fully man. Why did he never marry? Why is the New Testament silent about his sexuality? It became so clear when I had the insight that Jesus was probably gay and that He understood hatred and bigotry first-hand." 10

   Unfortunately, this webmaster merely described a type of vision that he/she had and did not provide any supporting evidence. It is unlikely to be convincing to others. Unfortunately, the statement is no longer online.

bullet      Mark 14:51-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus' followers was scantily dressed. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body; the size and location of the cloth is not defined. The New International Version says that he was "wearing nothing but a linen garment."  When the police tried to seize him, they were able to grab only his cloth; the man ran away naked. Reverend Peter Murphy wrote: "We don't know from the sources what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and young men." 11 (Emphasis in the original.)

bullet      Michael Kelly wrote of Jesus' attitude towards a same-sex couple as described in  Matthew 8:5-13: and Luke 7:2: "One day a Roman Centurion asked him to heal his dying servant. Scholars of both Scripture and Ancient History tell us that Roman Centurions, who were not permitted to marry while in service, regularly chose a favorite male slave to be their personal assistant and sexual servant. Such liaisons were common in the Greco-Roman world and it was not unusual for them to deepen into loving partnerships....Jesus offered to go to the servant, but the centurion asked him simply to speak a word of healing, since he was not worthy to welcome this itinerant Jewish teacher under his roof. Jesus responded by healing the servant and proclaiming that even in Israel he had never found faith like this! So, in the one Gospel story where Jesus encountered people sharing what we would call a 'gay relationship,' we see him simply concerned about -- and deeply moved by -- their faith and love." Kelly implies that Jesus' sensitivity towards the gay couple might have arisen from his own bisexual or homosexual orientation. 1

bullet      Some commentators argue from silence. They note that there is no passage in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) that directly describes anything about Jesus' sexuality. There are many direct and indirect references to Jesus' sensuality. He was accused of being a "drunkard and a glutton" and of partying with "prostitutes and sinners." He apparently enjoyed a tender foot massage from a woman. Yet, neither Jesus' sexuality nor his celibacy is mentioned. Yet, sex is referred to, elsewhere in the Bible, quite often. One might argue that the books in the Christian Scriptures might have once described Jesus' sexual relationships, but that these passages have been vigorously censored by the later church because they were unconventional.

bullet      Other commentators have noted that Jesus is silent towards homosexuality in the Gospels. Yet, Paul's opinions and those of many other authors in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) are clearly stated. They conclude that Jesus might have been gay. Odler Jeanlouie speculated: "Is it meaningful that, in the Sermon on the Mount, central to his teaching, he offered a one-way trip to the Kingdom of God, to anyone who is persecuted?" 12
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