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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #15 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:40am
 
Please delete wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:38am:
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:28am:
whatsforme wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:13am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 10:22pm:
The first home owners grant and the baby bonus should be the first targets for budget cuts to pay for rebuilding flood damage. The first home owners grant is especially suitable as scrapping it would free up builders that are going to be in high demand. Neither of these handouts are necessary. They are both vote buying scams.


Free up builders? Maybe you best check the facts before you post dribble.  As for the baby bonus. Yep DUMP it.


Yes, scrapping the FHOG would free up builders.

It's unusual to see so mujch agreement on a topic.


I genuinely believe that most people - even the recipients - know that these handouts are inherently "wrong".




oooooooh, that's just nasty!  Grin
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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #16 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:41am
 
<<Now whatsforme is also insulting the moderator! >>


Batpoo. Freediver is big enough and ugly enough to look after himself. He doesn't go running to his mother, Lisa or nails to back him up.

Get some balls boobie. Go to the knackery if you have to but find some somewhere.
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Reply #17 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:54am
 
For low income families the Baby bonus can be the difference between babies being well provided for and going without essentials, I agree that it should not go to those who do not need it.

I find it a bit confusing that so many want to not assist first home buyers but are happy to provide building assistance to people who chose to build in a flood zone and want to do it again.

Do not make the error of assuming I would not assist them but maybe not at the expense of lower income families first home assistance, I would means test the payment as I am against welfare for those who do not require it.
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Reply #18 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:02am
 
whatsforme wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:41am:
<<Now whatsforme is also insulting the moderator! >>


Batpoo. Freediver is big enough and ugly enough to look after himself. He doesn't go running to his mother, Lisa or nails to back him up.

Get some balls boobie. Go to the knackery if you have to but find some somewhere.


And then you add
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Some facts....as for posters agreeing with you check out who they are. Pansi, Nem, batshit, philperth. Take out Nem and collectively there wouldn't be two brain cells between them.


whatsforme,
I didn't agree with anyone.
You really are an obnoxious troll.
I find it hard to believe that you haven't been banned.
Freediver must be a really forgiving person.
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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #19 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:24am
 
<<whatsforme,
I didn't agree with anyone.

Is that because your lover nails isn't here?

You really are an obnoxious troll.

I agree boobie. Without you, nails, vegetable and a few others I maybe nice but hey there is plenty of fodder here to work with.

I find it hard to believe that you haven't been banned.

Banning is for mummys girls like you. Like I said...get some balls.

Freediver must be a really forgiving person.

Boobie freediver has balls and unlike you has a sense of humour
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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #20 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:32am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:54am:
I find it a bit confusing that so many want to not assist first home buyers but are happy to provide building assistance to people who chose to build in a flood zone and want to do it again.



I don't think we should be doing that either.
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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #21 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:35am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:54am:
For low income families the Baby bonus can be the difference between babies being well provided for and going without essentials, I agree that it should not go to those who do not need it.

I find it a bit confusing that so many want to not assist first home buyers but are happy to provide building assistance to people who chose to build in a flood zone and want to do it again.

Do not make the error of assuming I would not assist them but maybe not at the expense of lower income families first home assistance, I would means test the payment as I am against welfare for those who do not require it.



It depends how you use it, whether it was worthwhile.

I can honestly say hand on heart that the $5k we got for our first child in Australia was spent on baby related items.
Air con for the baby room, complete fit out of the nursery, cot, baby strollers, toys, clothes etc.

It was spent correctly. That's the point of it.

If people use it right, I have no problem with it.

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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #22 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:43am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:32am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:54am:
I find it a bit confusing that so many want to not assist first home buyers but are happy to provide building assistance to people who chose to build in a flood zone and want to do it again.



I don't think we should be doing that either.


I believe that new building regulations will come into force.
Houses in flood prone areas will be required to be built on tall stilts.
Can't give a link right now.
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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #23 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:49am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:35am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:54am:
For low income families the Baby bonus can be the difference between babies being well provided for and going without essentials, I agree that it should not go to those who do not need it.

I find it a bit confusing that so many want to not assist first home buyers but are happy to provide building assistance to people who chose to build in a flood zone and want to do it again.

Do not make the error of assuming I would not assist them but maybe not at the expense of lower income families first home assistance, I would means test the payment as I am against welfare for those who do not require it.



It depends how you use it, whether it was worthwhile.

I can honestly say hand on heart that the $5k we got for our first child in Australia was spent on baby related items.
Air con for the baby room, complete fit out of the nursery, cot, baby strollers, toys, clothes etc.

It was spent correctly. That's the point of it.

If people use it right, I have no problem with it.



You seem to be missing the point. It paid for an expensive unnatural environment for your baby that is harmful to it's health and the environment. People can spend an enourmous amount of money on new stuff for a baby that they grow out of in a few months time. Just because you spent it on the baby does not mean the handout was justified. This is someone else's money you are spending.
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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #24 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:52am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:49am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:35am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 8:54am:
For low income families the Baby bonus can be the difference between babies being well provided for and going without essentials, I agree that it should not go to those who do not need it.

I find it a bit confusing that so many want to not assist first home buyers but are happy to provide building assistance to people who chose to build in a flood zone and want to do it again.

Do not make the error of assuming I would not assist them but maybe not at the expense of lower income families first home assistance, I would means test the payment as I am against welfare for those who do not require it.



It depends how you use it, whether it was worthwhile.

I can honestly say hand on heart that the $5k we got for our first child in Australia was spent on baby related items.
Air con for the baby room, complete fit out of the nursery, cot, baby strollers, toys, clothes etc.

It was spent correctly. That's the point of it.

If people use it right, I have no problem with it.



You seem to be missing the point. It paid for an expensive unnatural environment for your baby that is harmful to it's health and the environment. People can spend an enourmous amount of money on new stuff for a baby that they grow out of in a few months time. Just because you spent it on the baby does not mean the handout was justified. This is someone else's money you are spending.



Really?
My wife and I paid $8k per month in taxes one year.

If it wasn't our money, then someone else was spending ours....
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Re: time to scrap first home and baby bonus
Reply #25 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:54am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:49am:
You seem to be missing the point. It paid for an expensive unnatural environment for your baby that is harmful to it's health and the environment



You're going to have to run that by me again?
We bought baby items for our little girl, who was born in the middle of summer.

What exactly of those items are harming the baby's health??????

Because by the way she is now 2 and is very healthy.
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Reply #26 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:56am
 
Air conditioning is a significant contributor to the obesity epidemic. It is also a significant contributor to both global warming and the urban heat island effect. Your child is not allergic to the natural environment.

Even if you do spend it on the 'right' things, that is not a justification for taking money from some other family to spend on your family.

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My wife and I paid $8k per month in taxes one year.


And this is a good idea? The government takes $10000 from you, wastes half of it on bureaucracy, then gives you back the remaining $5000. Explain why you support this please?
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Reply #27 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 10:01am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:56am:
Air conditioning is a significant contributor to the obesity epidemic. It is also a significant contributor to both global warming and the urban heat island effect. Your child is not allergic to the natural environment.

Even if you do spend it on the 'right' things, that is not a justification for taking money from some other family to spend on your family.

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My wife and I paid $8k per month in taxes one year.


And this is a good idea? The government takes $10000 from you, wastes half of it on bureaucracy, then gives you back the remaining $5000. Explain why you support this please?


The Government takes $100,000 off us over a year.
If the baby bonus didn't exist - do you think our tax rates would go down?

No of course not. So we deserve the $5k back at least given we paid for it many times over.

As regards air con. If you think my little newborn was going to sleep in a room without aircon through a Melbourne summer then you can whistle dixie.
We bought it for her room and it was lovely and cool at 19C each night and through the afternoons. Even when it was 40C outside.


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Reply #28 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 10:04am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:52am:
Really?
My wife and I paid $8k per month in taxes one year.

If it wasn't our money, then someone else was spending ours....



Didn't thay tell you - your money went into pensions and Hospitals - you were given my money.
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Reply #29 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 10:04am
 
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If the baby bonus didn't exist - do you think our tax rates would go down?


Yes. For starters, they wouldn't have to introduce this new tax. This is a pretty feeble minded excuse for government largesse.

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We bought it for her room and it was lovely and cool at 19C each night and through the afternoons. Even when it was 40C outside.


I'm sure your daughter will thank you when she finds herself unable to go outside unless it is 19 degrees. You can always buy her an Xbox instead with what little is left of your wages after the government has taken them away and given them back.
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