Quote:I've heard this claim before. But the aspects of Islam that prevent apostasy, adultury etc were the punishment itself, which is death by stoning.
See right then and there your understanding of Islam is clearly deficient and distorted.
the aspects of Islam that prevent adultery for instance are not the punishment itself. It is one aspect, but by no means the only, nor even the major one.
For instance in a Western society, there is pornography everywhere, sex-marketing strewn across every billboard and TV set, promotion of promiscuity and 'experimentation' amongst youth in schools, and generally a culture that dictates to youth their self-worth is based on their ability to obtain sexual conquests. This culture has also been spread to some degree to the post-Islamic world, and is present there. So if someone executes a person for committing adultery (which is extra-judicial vigilantism in anyone's book), then it has nothing to do with Islam, and is complete separate from, and in opposition to the Islamic system, since the Islamic system does not prescribe such a punishment without having a society that's free of this kind of vice to begin with.
I am quite sure I've explained this to you before fd. I honestly feel you're just trying your darndest to waste my time.
Quote:If a state collapses leaving behind a culture that stones people to death and sees it as their religious imperative to stone people to death, then people are going to be stoned to death.
So if the U.S collapses, and a new post-Democratic state is setup in it's lands, but the people still cling onto the ideals of democracy, and someone for instance burns the national flag, would a vigilante who murdered that person be acting according to Democracy? Would democracy be responsible for his actions? Because the Democratic government of the U.S had previously made treason a capital offence in that land?
Because that's about as related to democracy, as a nutcase murdering his sister for talking to a strange man, is related to Islam.
Quote:If a religion tells people it is just to stone people to death, it is going to happen.
But it doesn't tell people to stone people to death, anymore than democracy tells people to stick electrodes in people's heads and fry them to death.
You still can't get it into your thick head that a state prescribing the death penalty is nothing to do with individuals running around committing extra-judicial murders. Until you wrap your head around that, I'm not wasting any more time discussing with you. It's really just a waste of my time and yours. Your head is rock solid... logic and common sense simply cannot penetrate it. Au revoir.