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Question: Do you want Sharia law in Australia?

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Re: Sharia Australia
Reply #15 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 12:57am
 
Here is a link to the Australian calling for a Sharia republic in Australia, since you asked, yadda:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/full-bred-aussie-with-a-longing-for-sharia-law/story-e6frg6z6-1225991941740

apparently only a handful of people have turned up to his meeting.
He seems quite a bit egotistical to me, his call is more about him than his care for his country.

In my understanding, the only way the Constitution of this country can be changed on an issue like abolishing the Australian Parliament is that a majority of people in *all* States vote in favour of that. So...yes, it is possible. Unless the guy is talking about that, he is talking about an armed revolution. Either way, Muslims in Australia well know, as they know in many other places, that most of the world does not want to live under a theocracy. This is a principle that has been fought and sacrificed for over many centuries; it doesn't matter what religion it was under, the principle remains the same.

As the Taliban foreigners are finding out in Afghanistan at the cost of their lives, they are up against an ancient, intrinsic, almost a genetic warrior instinct when they take on Europeans in warfare. Australian Anglo warriors are an old form of that, as they do find out. The description today in the Daily Telegraph of the Australian SAS soldier to be awarded the VC for his actions against the Taliban in Afghanistan are chilling, but only a re-run of the same story of every conflict in which Australian Anglo soldiers have been involved in, in this country's history. This soldier pulled a Taliban off his back like an insect, so the article said, stood on his throat and shot him. That was not done out of malice, if I know the Australian personality, as I am sure I do...it was done out of a sense of simply doing one's duty.

*that* is what people who want to overthrow this country's democratic institutions will be up against; until the last Australian stands.

Mr Ibrahim was, I understand, raised as a Catholic in Australia and has become a firebrand Islamist. My suggestion is that people of this mind do not push this country to the brink of retribution; it is not a pleasant experience...for either side.
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Reply #16 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:03am
 
Hitler was also raised a Catholic.
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Reply #17 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:22am
 
The additional problem for Islamists is that the Monarch of England is also the Monarch of Australia. The Monarch of England is also the defender of the faith; and if they think that western powers are going to let Australia become an Islamic republic, they had better get their heads out of the proverbial sand. It isn't going to happen. The history of this country isn't over, and it may have to be fought for; Islamists may wish to do this by force, it is their call, but once called, you either win or lose, and I don't fancy their chances...perhaps Mr Ibrahim's religious and racial background puts him at a disadvantage in understanding the reality of what he will be up against. Mr Ibraham Conlon!! You've got to be kidding. Leaders like that fail.
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Reply #18 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 8:09am
 
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apparently only a handful of people have turned up to his meeting.


Are you sure?? Because if we go with what Yadda's been feeding us, *ALL* Muslims support him and his ideas.... So surely more than just a few must've turned up... or the alternative, Yadda (and the other anti-Islamic nutjobs) is sprouting bovine faeces??

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He seems quite a bit egotistical to me, his call is more about him than his care for his country.


Well it seems he fervantly believes in what he's calling for, and therefore he feels it'd be best for his fellow countrymen to adopt the same. I don't think his sincerity can be doubted.

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In my understanding, the only way the Constitution of this country can be changed on an issue like abolishing the Australian Parliament is that a majority of people in *all* States vote in favour of that. So...yes, it is possible.


Albeit extremely highly improbable.

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As the Taliban foreigners


Foreigners??  Grin

The Talibaan are foreigners, yet let me guess, the American-cultured Karzai and the NATO forces that keep him in power are "locals" right?  Grin Grin Grin

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almost a genetic warrior instinct when they take on Europeans in warfare.


You obviously haven't watched the videos on Youtube of NATO 'warriors' crying when they get attacked, have you?  Grin Grin Grin

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The description today in the Daily Telegraph of the Australian SAS soldier to be awarded the VC for his actions against the Taliban in Afghanistan are chilling, but only a re-run of the same story of every conflict in which Australian Anglo soldiers have been involved in, in this country's history. This soldier pulled a Taliban off his back like an insect, so the article said, stood on his throat and shot him. That was not done out of malice, if I know the Australian personality, as I am sure I do...it was done out of a sense of simply doing one's duty.


That's the story we're told anyway. No doubt one day wikileaks will publish the truth about it... after everyone's already forgotten it.
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Reply #19 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:02pm
 
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As the Taliban foreigners


I'm sorry....Isn't the Taliban made up of Afghan mujahideen fighters from the group who took refuge in Pakistan during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan in the 80's?????
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Reply #20 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:09pm
 
I read in the newspaper a few days ago that 50 people were hanged
in Iran in the last 3 weeks.

It's like the movie - Hang em High with Clint Eastwood.
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Reply #21 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:19pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:09pm:
I read in the newspaper a few days ago that 50 people were hanged
in Iran in the last 3 weeks.

It's like the movie - Hang em High with Clint Eastwood.


Yes, that's not a good thing..although it would really depend on WHAT the crimes were....

I'm pro-DP myself, for certain crimes.......but executions for simply not following a particular religion is a stupid idea...
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Reply #22 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:21pm
 
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Are you sure?? Because if we go with what Yadda's been feeding us, *ALL* Muslims support him and his ideas.... So surely more than just a few must've turned up... or the alternative, Yadda (and the other anti-Islamic nutjobs) is sprouting bovine faeces??


I certainly don't say all muslims do or believe anything. What I can say however, is that the views expressed by this guy represent the ordinary, everyday, garden variety mainstream Islamic teachings. If one self-identifies as a muslim, then it can be assumed, they agree with its teachings.

Perhaps you could say, with reference to facts and evidence, or even hadith where you say this preacher is wrong Abu? To my mind and I can quote hadith and koran to back him up, and secondary scholars, he is entirely, 100% correct, and the views he is expressing are mainstream orthodox Islamic teachings.

Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us as to the error of his ways. According to you at least.

He said that the invitation to Islam must be peaceful, but if not accepted, then there is violence. That is entirely Islamic. He has said in effect that governments not ruled according to sharia mean nothing. That is entirely Islamic.

As to Sharia Courts being set up to start the takeover of Australia, that is correct. Sovereignty means, the Executive, the Judiciary, money supply, the Courts, and Defence. If you lose those you lose sovereignty, which is why they are seeking to acquire them.
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #23 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:50pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:19pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:09pm:
I read in the newspaper a few days ago that 50 people were hanged
in Iran in the last 3 weeks.

It's like the movie - Hang em High with Clint Eastwood.


Yes, that's not a good thing..although it would really depend on WHAT the crimes were....

I'm pro-DP myself, for certain crimes.......but executions for simply not following a particular religion is a stupid idea...



You should watch the movie - Hang em High  - with Clint Eastwood.
They hang people for just about every offence -
including selling whisky.
That's what Abu would like here.
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Reply #24 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:50pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:19pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:09pm:
I read in the newspaper a few days ago that 50 people were hanged
in Iran in the last 3 weeks.

It's like the movie - Hang em High with Clint Eastwood.


Yes, that's not a good thing..although it would really depend on WHAT the crimes were....

I'm pro-DP myself, for certain crimes.......but executions for simply not following a particular religion is a stupid idea...



You should watch the movie - Hang em High  - with Clint Eastwood.
They hang people for just about every offence -
including selling whisky.
That's what Abu would like here.


I've seen it many many times...

And it's 'selling whiskey to indians'...
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Reply #25 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 2:49pm
 
I don't think Australian warriors cry, abu. If you think they do, you obviously have no idea of what you're talking about.

The Taliban have recruits from many places, not just Afghanistan.
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Reply #26 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 4:01pm
 
Interesting. The more moderate muslims don't want to go too far in criticising the nutcases because so many 'mainstream' muslims support them and they don't want to push them away too.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/full-bred-aussie-with-a-longing-for-sharia-law/story-e6frg6z6-1225991941740

Islamic groups and leaders have frequently been criticised for failing to take on these groups, and for not being sufficiently vocal in rejecting their message. It's a highly sensitive issue in the community. One Muslim activist, who asked not to be named, says there is a reluctance to get involved.

"Muslims I think are very afraid of any backlash or repercussions of speaking out against these people. You could get aggressive threats or criticism from all sectors of the community saying, 'You shouldn't be criticising, who are you to say that?'

"This tends to create a sense of apathy in the community and the perception that extremism is on the rise, because those [extreme] groups are much more active and outspoken.

"There are also divisions in the mainstream community [and] different degrees of support within moderate groups for the extremist groups, so they need to keep those people onside and don't want to go too far in distancing themselves from them."

Sukkarieh says fringe outfits pushing for sharia law in Australia are better off ignored.

"The majority of Muslims in Australia don't support that view. We have the freedom to practise what we want according to our religion. What we need is less pressure, less talk about that sort of stuff. It should be ignored [because] when you ignore them you're not giving them any air."

But the task for the security agencies is determining whether an individual such as Siddiq-Conlon and a group such as Sharia4Australia are simply fringe radicals who should be ignored represent a serious threat to security.
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Reply #27 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 8:21pm
 
You cannot be serious

If you are you have rocks for brains old chap

All others, democracy included, have produced nothing but famine, war, destruction and chaos the world over[quote

That's a perfect description of Isalm
author=abu_rashid link=1295543010/0#12 date=1295577005]Yadda, whilst you refuse to discuss rationally, but just base your opinions on your Christian-oriented propaganda view of Islam, then we will achieve nothing here.

Islam is the only system in the history of humanity that has produced a harmonious and stable society. All others, democracy included, have produced nothing but famine, war, destruction and chaos the world over. [/quote]
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Reply #28 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 9:59pm
 
Calanen,

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To my mind and I can quote hadith and koran to back him up, and secondary scholars, he is entirely, 100% correct, and the views he is expressing are mainstream orthodox Islamic teachings.


Sorry, there's no orthodox Islamic teaching which says when you're in a non-Muslim country, you demand they implement Shari'ah (when Muslims themselves haven't even implemented it). You're a real space ranger Calanen.

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Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us as to the error of his ways. According to you at least.


The work to re-establish a Caliphate (ie. state that implements shari'ah law) is to be carried out in a already Muslim world. Talking about it in Australia is not the Islamic methodology.

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He said that the invitation to Islam must be peaceful, but if not accepted, then there is violence. That is entirely Islamic.


Not unless he's already formed his own government and is enacting the foreign policy of a Caliphate, no it is not.

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As to Sharia Courts being set up to start the takeover of Australia, that is correct.


The only kinds of "Shari'ah" courts that'd be setup in Australia would be the token ones where two parties agree to such and such a thing. This is a not a Shari'ah court in any sense of the term, and it's certainly not a path to taking over a country, anyone who believes it is, would have to be delusional or so fuelled by hatred, they can't see the trees for the forest.
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Reply #29 - Jan 22nd, 2011 at 10:03pm
 
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Islamic groups and leaders have frequently been criticised for failing to take on these groups, and for not being sufficiently vocal in rejecting their message.


As I've told you many times before fd, and neither should we be taking them on. They are exercising their rights within Australian law, if _you_ don't like it, then you're the one who has to change, because that's part of Australia's way of life. Like it or leave it (as the old saying goes).

If they break the law, then it's up to the authorities to deal with them (not us).

Your incessant claim that Muslims worldwide need to somehow take responsibility for every Muslim who has a differing view that you personally don't like is just bovine faeces fd.

Wake up to yourself mate.
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