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Reply #436 - Aug 24^th, 2011 at 11:01pm

O))) wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 1:22pm:

Thanks, that was very interesting. The studies I left quoted surprised me even more, but not quite as much when I looked at who the subjects were. From the 5 I read through most of them had subjects who were either inner-city African Americans, adolescents in juvenile detention, under court-order or all three.

I highly doubt smoking weed will make a normal person into a violent criminal who crashes cars and has unprotected sex/HIV. Very likely the subjects environments are partially responsible, but they were interesting results nonetheless.

Parts of the study were a bit selective, but it seems that pot was the one common denominator. This whole debate was about whether cannabis should be legalised and it's obvious that it does affect a lot of the senses and my main gripe is that I wouldn't want anyone working for me if they were stoned. Even holding a conversation with someone who's stoned is a wasted effort.

Look around at the people you know who don't do very much apart from smoke grass. Are they honest, reliable and motivated?

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The average non-smoker...... "knows from long term observation of..." . Splutter- cough- splutter.cough..!!??? Shocked Shocked

WHAT???? Shocked
The average non-smoker...'knows' nothing about cannabis smokers.

Perhaps we are both trapped in our own paradigm?? Wink

Of course if habitual pot imbibers only mix with their own kind - they see nothing wrong with themselves, but on the other hand when a person who doesn't smoke walks into a room where everyone is stoned - you can notice immediately how nonsensical, vague and listless they are and their responses always confirm your first impressions. Roll Eyes

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Reply #437 - Aug 25^th, 2011 at 11:07am

More talk of habitual, long term regular users, as if there were no such thing as a casual user.

Is everyone who has ever drunk a glass of alcohol a 24 hour a day drunk? No? So why does this discussion constantly revert to a either a) daily users or b) people who get wasted at work or on the road.

It's all a bit of a waste of time if the whole thread is based on strawmen.

This is wesley.pipes signing out....

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Reply #438 - Aug 25^th, 2011 at 11:47am

Hehe, I agree 100%, Wes.

mantra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 11:01pm:

Parts of the study were a bit selective, but it seems that pot was the one common denominator. This whole debate was about whether cannabis should be legalised and it's obvious that it does affect a lot of the senses and my main gripe is that I wouldn't want anyone working for me if they were stoned. Even holding a conversation with someone who's stoned is a wasted effort.

Obviously legalizing weed wouldn't make people suddenly start to show up at work stoned.

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Look around at the people you know who don't do very much apart from smoke grass. Are they honest, reliable and motivated?

I don't think its fair to tie in honesty, reliability and motivation to one question. Each should be answered individually.

I have experienced no drop in honesty whatsoever from my friends/acquaintances who smoke a lot.

There has been a decrease in reliability in some. By this I mainly mean if they say they are coming over I don't really know if they will make it, but, generally and in important matters, they are reliable.

For my friends who aren't habitual users I noticed a definite short-term drop in motivation. For those who are habitual users I notice no such thing. Some are very highly motivated, much more than myself and I only have an occasional smoke. They all keep relatively fit, they all do some type of sport, they all have jobs or are looking for work etc etc. Their ambition varies from person to person.

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Reply #439 - Aug 25^th, 2011 at 12:12pm

... wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 11:07am:

More talk of habitual, long term regular users, as if there were no such thing as a casual user.

This is wesley.pipes signing out....

This topic has dragged on a bit pointlessly. I don't have a problem with casual users and I doubt they're the ones who care one way or another whether it's legalised. They aren't the ones who are desperately trying to "score" day after day or getting ripped off or disappointed in the quality. The regular users would be the ones wanting to obtain it easily and cheaply.

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Obviously legalizing weed wouldn't make people suddenly start to show up at work stoned.

I think a few people would be tempted if it was legalised. Overall it doesn't really matter because Australia is an ultra conservative nation and their policies are either black or white. Even if an overwhelming majority wanted it legalised - the drug companies would put a stop to it.

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I have experienced no drop in honesty whatsoever from my friends/acquaintances who smoke a lot.

You're fortunate then.

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Reply #440 - Aug 25^th, 2011 at 1:59pm

mantra wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 12:12pm:

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I have experienced no drop in honesty whatsoever from my friends/acquaintances who smoke a lot.

You're fortunate then.

You've had experiences where weed has made people dishonest? What happened? I know a lot of dope smokers and none of them are dishonest because of their smoking habits. My alcoholic friends are a different story.

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Reply #441 - Aug 25^th, 2011 at 10:09pm

Like I've been saying for a while now - Mantra is a dogmatic and annoying propagandist - ............?

An offensive , and offending, commentator, who slags off others for their 'personal' comments, and yet happily does the same thing freely.
As I've also said before-...... to you M- ...........your all-inclusive statements, which consistently insist that a 'caricature' of a human - 'the Pot-Smoker' - is a danger to all non-smokers - and is all around.!!.. and should be weeded out!! (oops Pun Apology!!) Shocked

...are so generalistic and negative as to be insult to any who don't accept your POV.

Such rigidity and inability to see beyond your own nose ,as you show, makes you a nuisance, - ... there' s nothing worse than a fool who is convinced of their own right thinking, and proclaims it far and wide, for all to hear,... and bear.. Cool

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #443 - Aug 26^th, 2011 at 12:49am Sad no one listens but!.
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Reply #444 - Aug 26^th, 2011 at 4:10am

Mantra has her opinion. All opinions count.

It's only when all opinions are of similar experience that all opinions will truly count as one. For now, this is the democratic type that we are stuck with.

Times will change and people will become more experienced and knowledgable.

Patience is a virtue. Patience and faith will win out in the end. Stay cool Jalene.

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Reply #445 - Aug 26^th, 2011 at 8:13am

Amadd wrote on Aug 26^th, 2011 at 4:10am:

Mantra has her opinion. All opinions count.

It's only when all opinions are of similar experience that all opinions will truly count as one. For now, this is the democratic type that we are stuck with.

Times will change and people will become more experienced and knowledgable.

Patience is a virtue. Patience and faith will win out in the end. Stay cool Jalene.

Jalene is a very aggressive and abusive person. Is that the result of being a heavy pot smoker - maybe! This is only a forum debate and we all have the right to give our opinion without abuse - but obviously some aren't capable of it.

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You've had experiences where weed has made people dishonest? What happened? I know a lot of dope smokers and none of them are dishonest because of their smoking habits. My alcoholic friends are a different story.

It's been a good 25 years since I've associated with people who believed cannabis was a priority in their life. I didn't find them particularly honest or even mildly intelligent, but that's only my opinion.

I will probably have to walk away from this thread also Lepper and it's nice to see someone being as honest as you have been, but I really don't like being abused by another member who is seriously inarticulate.

The pothead on this thread has given credence to my argument that cannabis shouldn't be legalised. It's bad enough that alcohol is such a problem in this society so we don't need an increase in cannabis use. It would increase because it would be too cheap and too easily available. Those who couldn't be bothered looking for it now - would have it at their fingertips.

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Reply #446 - Aug 26^th, 2011 at 6:21pm

I'm quite cool thank you Amadd.

This is a very old argument for me -- and I am very patient.

This happens to be the only topic I am following at the moment, and I think I am being assertive!!

......In support of my position on the subject.

And certainly no more aggressive - or abusive than you are Mantra. Like I said - you want to comment, and bring my posts to attention - thats fine with me. And - also - like I said - I will reply.

Insults/abuse are a bit like 'beauty' - they exist in the 'eyes' of the beholder.

YOU are the kettle -- calling the Pot BLACK. (oops! Embarrassed

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You are free to come and go as you pls, from this topic or where-ever...
altho - IMO you have no need to feel 'hounded' ... Roll Eyes

- you are just receiving a little of what you give.

It's your life.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Legalisation of pot? Reply #447 - Aug 26^th, 2011 at 6:51pm 'Those who couldn't be bothered looking for it now - would have it at their fingertips.' - Mantra Not necessarily a bad thing. If true. I've known some full-blown alco 's who would have benefited.!!
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Reply #448 - Aug 26^th, 2011 at 7:15pm

'They aren't the ones who are desperately trying to "score" day after day or getting ripped off or disappointed in the quality. ' - Mantra .
Cheesy

ummm. ...think you're a bit confused there M - sounds more like the paradigm of a 'junkie' to me.

' The regular users would be the ones wanting to obtain it easily and cheaply.' - Mantra.

Yeah ...AND - wtf NOT??

Ever heard of .. live and let live?? .. to each their own ? ..everyone is an individual?...do no harm?

Why continue to denigrate human beings , as an 'undesirable group'? (my words), rather than as individuals, with all that includes, within society's embrace!!.

We have heard you - we understand you ...WE GOT IT ALREADY.

Anyone ELSE out there who is unable to follow my reasoning?? My abusive aggressive diatribe against poor old M..?? is that how you see it??

I'd be interested.

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Reply #449 - Aug 30^th, 2011 at 7:43am

Unfortunately the clamps on social freedom are, and have been for many years, been tightening at an alarming rate in this country. As of Jan. 1st next year, it will be illegal to sell bongs in Victoria because they are (obviously, but not neccessarily) primarily used to smoke dope.

This might be nice for stores such as Clark Rubber, who as I remember used to stock pre-cut pieces of PVC tubing which just so happened to fit very nicely on a Spring Valley bottle. Poke in a couple of holes and 'Hey Presto', you've almost got yourself a very nice bong.

So then what? Are they going to ban small glass bottles? Will they also ban PVC tubing? Or is it the amalgamation of a few components which could land somebody in the clink?

Really, this Ted Baillieu idiot has far less imagination than those who are able to place a few common components together in order to make a simple smoking medium. Clearly, he must've failed paper folding in his arts and crafts class.

There's absolutely no use debating anything to do with social freedom in this country anymore, unless the outcome will certainly precure less social freedom.

The only way is to play it for all it's dirty worth and then escape to a nation more free than ours, if you are able to leave of your own free will and with your rightful assets. You won't, you cannot.

Yes, we are still the same ol' penal colony that we always were.

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