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Reply #75 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:31pm

FRED. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:16pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:14pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:26pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:09pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:54pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Well I noticed the Liberal party released some costing, as did Labor and as is customary. What I also noticed is the Liberal parties costing they released were billions of dollars OUT.
You still haven't provided Liberal party CBAs, mel lies, I know you cant, just admit you're a hypo critter.
How many sox are swimming around in that fishbowl today,goldfish?

If you believe that the ALP could do the NBN for 43 bill, you are even sillier than I thought, which is quite an achievement.

http://optuszoo.com.au/news/top/news-com-au/nbn-to-cost-aussies-at-least-56-a-month/262596

Did you miss this Aussie?

What point are you tryign to make other than the NBN itself suggests people will be payin more for interenet than now?

No, it will make it cheaper.

56 bucks a months for download?

We currently pay $65 a month.

That adds up.

Its OK James, longy is not known for his truthfulness, its a trait of the neo con.

How you going Casino all boy long time no see

you still in Tasmania

If you're addressing me, you've got the wrong dude.

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Reply #76 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:36pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:31pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:16pm:

FRED. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:14pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:26pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:09pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:54pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Well I noticed the Liberal party released some costing, as did Labor and as is customary. What I also noticed is the Liberal parties costing they released were billions of dollars OUT.
You still haven't provided Liberal party CBAs, mel lies, I know you cant, just admit you're a hypo critter.
How many sox are swimming around in that fishbowl today,goldfish?

If you believe that the ALP could do the NBN for 43 bill, you are even sillier than I thought, which is quite an achievement.

http://optuszoo.com.au/news/top/news-com-au/nbn-to-cost-aussies-at-least-56-a-month/262596

Did you miss this Aussie?

What point are you tryign to make other than the NBN itself suggests people will be payin more for interenet than now?

No, it will make it cheaper.

56 bucks a months for download?

We currently pay $65 a month.

That adds up.

Its OK James, longy is not known for his truthfulness, its a trait of the neo con.

How you going Casino all boy long time no see

you still in Tasmania

If you're addressing me, you've got the wrong dude.

With the word dude must be 2 generations back "sorry"

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Reply #77 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:16pm

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:09pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:54pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Well I noticed the Liberal party released some costing, as did Labor and as is customary. What I also noticed is the Liberal parties costing they released were billions of dollars OUT.
You still haven't provided Liberal party CBAs, mel lies, I know you cant, just admit you're a hypo critter.
How many sox are swimming around in that fishbowl today,goldfish?

If you believe that the ALP could do the NBN for 43 bill, you are even sillier than I thought, which is quite an achievement.

http://optuszoo.com.au/news/top/news-com-au/nbn-to-cost-aussies-at-least-56-a-month/262596

Did you miss this Aussie?

What point are you tryign to make other than the NBN itself suggests people will be payin more for interenet than now?

No, it will make it cheaper.

56 bucks a months for download?

We currently pay $65 a month.

That adds up.

james I pay 19.95 a month.. as a pensioner yes $56 a month wil be impossible..you have a" we" when it comes to paying your bills... here its only" I" I am afraid.

a lot of things have to be taken into account.and believe me the NBN isnt at the top of my to live for list.

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Reply #78 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:35pm

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 1:09pm:

James Bluntus wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:54pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Well I noticed the Liberal party released some costing, as did Labor and as is customary. What I also noticed is the Liberal parties costing they released were billions of dollars OUT.
You still haven't provided Liberal party CBAs, mel lies, I know you cant, just admit you're a hypo critter.
How many sox are swimming around in that fishbowl today,goldfish?

If you believe that the ALP could do the NBN for 43 bill, you are even sillier than I thought, which is quite an achievement.

http://optuszoo.com.au/news/top/news-com-au/nbn-to-cost-aussies-at-least-56-a-month/262596

Did you miss this Aussie?

What point are you tryign to make other than the NBN itself suggests people will be payin more for interenet than now?

No, it will make it cheaper.

56 bucks a months for download?

We currently pay $65 a month.

That adds up.

try reading a little more. firstly it says AT LEAST $56 which in the english the rest of us use means that it will generally be MORE than that. Secondly, basing a national policy position based on YOUR internet bill is rather silly. For the record, MY ADLS2+ is less than $56.

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Reply #79 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:43pm

Quote:

The Opposition present a CBA as some sort of precedented STANDARD

Had this BEEN a "standard requirement" we would have ...

NO

Overland telegraph

We would have had ...

NO

Snowy Mountains Scheme

We would have had ...

NO

Melbourne to Sydney co-axal cable (back in the 1960's)

We would have had ...

NO

Indian Pacific Rail line

We would have ...

NO

Public Hospitals

We would have had ...

NO

Aged and Disability Pensions

The list goes ON

In fact, had we built this country on a "Cost beneifit analasys" mentality, all we would have is .....

You guessed it ....

The establishment of the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) is the ONLY piece of legislation that would have passed the NEW CRITERIA of being "cost effective" presented by the Liberal and National parties - over the last 250 years

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Reply #80 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:06pm

u r such a wanker Buzz. you seem to think that no govt policy or infrastructure was ever analysed before being put in place. Im certain you actually believe that. All that does is show how narrow and partisan your viewpoint is. It is truly astonishing to listen to you imbecilic laborites actively DEMAND than govts dont analyse thir policies and ensure they weill work and be effective. And you wonder why thinking voters laugh at you...

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: The fantasy of the left ............. Reply #81 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:37pm Well, I've read the entire Thread and found nothing which even attempts to substantiate the Thread Topic, other than one or two liner personal opinion posts. "Garbage" Thread. Where is the Dump, Mods?
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Re: The fantasy of the left .............
Reply #82 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 8:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

u r such a wanker Buzz. you seem to think that no govt policy or infrastructure was ever analysed before being put in place....

NO
I DON'T

And that is NOT the issue I high-lighted

ALL government infrastucture funding is subject to Treasury costing -NBN included
As it WAS
And as it SHOULD be

NO infrastructure investment should be the subject of any CBA or "return on (said) investment" as is the expectation in the private sector

This sets a

VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT

for future investment by governments -

"if it doesn't show a projected level of sufficient financial return, don't build it" mentality

- applying to public hospitals, roads, rail lines and everything inbetween

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Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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Reply #83 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:48am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 8:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

u r such a wanker Buzz. you seem to think that no govt policy or infrastructure was ever analysed before being put in place....

NO
I DON'T

And that is NOT the issue I high-lighted

ALL government infrastucture funding is subject to Treasury costing -NBN included
As it WAS
And as it SHOULD be

NO infrastructure investment should be the subject of any CBA or "return on (said) investment" as is the expectation in the private sector

This sets a

VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT

for future investment by governments -

"if it doesn't show a projected level of sufficient financial return, don't build it" mentality

- applying to public hospitals, roads, rail lines and everything inbetween

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if u r building a commercial enterprise - and the NBN is - then of COURSE you shoudl do a CBA! how hard is that??? the NBN is SUPPOSED to be profitable as it is the only way it can continue to run. it is not reasonable to expect the govt to forever subsidise the porn downloads of the average voter. it needs to be PROFITABLE which implies the planning shoudl include a CBA. honestly, buzz. what is your problem with doing the maths on it?

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: The fantasy of the left ............. Reply #84 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:55am Shame the Liberals didn't do the maths on their invasions while they where in government. Just charge in with a tax payer's blank cheque. There again, Liberals making more push factors for boat refugees is more important than educational/health NBN infrastructure for this country.
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Reply #85 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:27am

____ wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:55am:

Shame the Liberals didn't do the maths on their invasions while they where in government. Just charge in with a tax payer's blank cheque.

There again, Liberals making more push factors for boat refugees is more important than educational/health NBN infrastructure for this country.

That`s airheaded hysteria skippy. We need roads, hospitals, industry, agriculture, education and a multitude of other services and infastructure far ahead of an NBN. Problem for the tard Gov. is, these projects don`t buy the bogan vote like ratting the treasury for trinkets and bogan baubles does.

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Reply #86 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:22am

I find it amazing to see the negativity of the Liberal arguments and how successful it tends to be.

We see topic after topic all negative towards anything the government is trying to do, If Labor was to follow the advice given by the right they would just do nothing but then you see the other posts asking what has Gillard done or what have Labor achieved.

Looks like they are being asked to do nothing and being blocked when they try to make changes and then the same people who are causing this are also complaining that not enough is being done.

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Reply #87 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:30am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:27am:

____ wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:55am:

Shame the Liberals didn't do the maths on their invasions while they where in government. Just charge in with a tax payer's blank cheque.

There again, Liberals making more push factors for boat refugees is more important than educational/health NBN infrastructure for this country.

That`s airheaded hysteria skippy. We need roads, hospitals, industry, agriculture, education and a multitude of other services and infastructure far ahead of an NBN. Problem for the tard Gov. is, these projects don`t buy the bogan vote like ratting the treasury for trinkets and bogan baubles does.

What else would you expect from a lefty aussie.
Afterall any person with any sign of intelligence would not be a lefty in the first place.

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Reply #88 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:57am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:27am:

____ wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:55am:

Shame the Liberals didn't do the maths on their invasions while they where in government. Just charge in with a tax payer's blank cheque.

There again, Liberals making more push factors for boat refugees is more important than educational/health NBN infrastructure for this country.

That`s airheaded hysteria skippy. We need roads, hospitals, industry, agriculture, education and a multitude of other services and infastructure far ahead of an NBN. Problem for the tard Gov. is, these projects don`t buy the bogan vote like ratting the treasury for trinkets and bogan baubles does.

WHOOSH, silly old fart.

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Reply #89 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 10:01am

skippy. wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 9:57am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 7:27am:

____ wrote on Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:55am:

Shame the Liberals didn't do the maths on their invasions while they where in government. Just charge in with a tax payer's blank cheque.

There again, Liberals making more push factors for boat refugees is more important than educational/health NBN infrastructure for this country.

That`s airheaded hysteria skippy. We need roads, hospitals, industry, agriculture, education and a multitude of other services and infastructure far ahead of an NBN. Problem for the tard Gov. is, these projects don`t buy the bogan vote like ratting the treasury for trinkets and bogan baubles does.

WHOOSH, silly old fart.

See pinky is a contortionsist as well.

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