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Re: The new Voting regulations
Reply #15 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:11am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 6:36am:

____ wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:52am:

Rather than cash, lets base it on i.q level ... every 50 points of iq equals a vote.

Neo Cons would be wiped from the political world in one election

That'd be great, no ALP and no Greens.

Yes, the world is better under a liberal government.

So anne what type of goverment do you want for Australia?

Dictatorship, One state party or communist. They are all one and the same type of Goverment.

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Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:14am

I think everybody should have the right to vote (aside from criminals serving time) and that it should be voluntary.

I also believe in a first-past-the-post system where the person who gains the most votes wins. If that means they get 35% then so be it, if nobody beats that.

I also believe that those who pay so little into society in tax, really should keep their trap shut about what others who pay a shiteload more than they do, do with their finances.

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Reply #17 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:23am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:14am:

I think everybody should have the right to vote (aside from criminals serving time) and that it should be voluntary.

I also believe in a first-past-the-post system where the person who gains the most votes wins. If that means they get 35% then so be it, if nobody beats that.

I also believe that those who pay so little into society in tax, really should keep their trap shut about what others who pay a shiteload more than they do, do with their finances.

The problem with your scenario is that if a party get 35% of the vote and form gov, that means 65% did not want that gov, hardly stable.
At least with preference voting people get to choose their second most preferred choice.
I used to feel the same as you but then I realised if we'd had that system Labor would never have lost an election as they always receive the most votes for any individual party.
Under you scenario all the parties that came 2nd 3rd and 4th could form a coalition and oust the party with the most votes,as often happens in Europe.

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Re: The new Voting regulations
Reply #18 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:28am

In Great Britain we have had stable centre of the road Governments for decades.

We have first past the post, we have voluntary voting and it works.

This it the first time we had a hung parliament in god knows when. 40 years I think.

The Conservatives led for a decade, then Labour led for a decade. Then Labour were wiped out.

If you're a poor Government, you get kicked out and the people decide.
Happened to Major, happened to Brown, happened to Callaghan.

It galls me to see guys like Wayne Swan get beaten in a poll then get in through the back door of preferences.

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Re: The new Voting regulations
Reply #19 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:29am

John S wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:11am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 6:36am:

____ wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:52am:

Rather than cash, lets base it on i.q level ... every 50 points of iq equals a vote.

Neo Cons would be wiped from the political world in one election

That'd be great, no ALP and no Greens.

Yes, the world is better under a liberal government.

So anne what type of goverment do you want for Australia?

Dictatorship, One state party or communist. They are all one and the same type of Goverment.

You mean like the one we have now?

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: The new Voting regulations Reply #20 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:33am Quote: It galls me to see guys like Wayne Swan get beaten in a poll then get in through the back door of preferences. Under your system Labor would have won, they got the most votes of any individual party.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The new Voting regulations Reply #21 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:47am I am not talking about picking the winner I am talking about the best system. I'd be surprised if Labor would have won. It's not on national total votes, it's on votes in the particular electorate. You can have the most national votes and still lose.
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Reply #22 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 12:13pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:47am:

I am not talking about picking the winner I am talking about the best system.

I'd be surprised if Labor would have won.

It's not on national total votes, it's on votes in the particular electorate.

You can have the most national votes and still lose.

Under that scenario Labor would have always been in gov.

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Re: The new Voting regulations
Reply #23 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 12:23pm

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Voting is compulsory, not all votes are equal, every vote is weighted.

For every $10K the voter paid in taxes the past tax year, one vote is attributed.

reason being, it's the net taxpayers that pay the pollies wages, it's only the net tax payer who should decide.

the taxpayers are the bosses.
nontax payers are sychophants of the system.

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Re: The new Voting regulations
Reply #24 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 1:53pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 12:23pm:

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Voting is compulsory, not all votes are equal, every vote is weighted.

For every $10K the voter paid in taxes the past tax year, one vote is attributed.

reason being, it's the net taxpayers that pay the pollies wages, it's only the net tax payer who should decide.

the taxpayers are the bosses.
nontax payers are sychophants of the system.

EVERYBODY pays tax sprint, even a 5 year old who buys an ice cream,thanks to John Howards GST.

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Re: The new Voting regulations
Reply #25 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:11pm

The child is not buying the ice cream - it is the parent who is paying the tax as they buy it for the kid.

Called running a family budget.

What is it you want to do to these family budgets?

Oh yeah make it even tighter by adding a carbon tax so we pay more for the same thing?

Making it less likely we have money to afford to buy the kid an ice cream.

Great idea.....

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: The new Voting regulations Reply #26 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:19pm Quote: The child is not buying the ice cream - it is the parent who is paying the tax as they buy it for the kid. The fact remains, EVERYBODY pays tax, via the GST,no matter if they earned the money or had it gifted.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39506 Gender:	Re: The new Voting regulations Reply #27 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:26pm skippy - yes, the GST paid is a tax. However it is impossible to monitor for voting rights. People have to earn money to spend it and pay GST this system denies crims a vote, nor do tax avoiders get a vote.
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Re: The new Voting regulations
Reply #28 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:26pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:19pm:

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The child is not buying the ice cream - it is the parent who is paying the tax as they buy it for the kid.

The fact remains, EVERYBODY pays tax, via the GST,no matter if they earned the money or had it gifted.

Yep and I am all for raising it to 15%.
You have the option not to buy the ice cream and hence not pay the tax.

With PAYE it is becoming more difficult to avoid direct income tax and we have to be more and more inventive to avoid it.

Hence it is better and more effective to people to increase VAT/GST and lower direct tax.

It lightens the burden that is loaded onto us in the middle incomes.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: The new Voting regulations Reply #29 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:30pm Quote: this system denies crims a vote, nor do tax avoiders get a vote. Most people try and avoid tax sprint, the richer you are the more you try and avoid it.
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