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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Droughts & Floods: An Answer Reply #15 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 9:55pm Quote: Another ad homineum attack No it isn't. Do you know what an ad hominem is? What are you suggesting we actually do? Take money off the rich to terraform the planet?
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Reply #16 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:29pm

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 6:09pm:

Rich people accumulate lots of money by investing it wisely - ie not in silly grandiose schemes. You could take it off them and invest it elsewhere. This would achieve your goals, if your goals revolve around making everyone else as poor as you.

That's an ad homineum classic.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Droughts & Floods: An Answer Reply #17 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:31pm Quote: What are you suggesting we actually do? Take money off the rich to terraform the planet? Charge capitalists an appropriate amount for raw materials owned by the community and if they don't like it nationalise their industries.
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Reply #18 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 7:44pm

Grey wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:29pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 6:09pm:

Rich people accumulate lots of money by investing it wisely - ie not in silly grandiose schemes. You could take it off them and invest it elsewhere. This would achieve your goals, if your goals revolve around making everyone else as poor as you.

That's an ad homineum classic.

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An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author

It is not an ad hominem.

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Charge capitalists an appropriate amount for raw materials owned by the community and if they don't like it nationalise their industries.

A mining tax? A farming tax? If a businessman claims to be a socialist or an anarchist do they not pay the tax?

What should we spend their money on?

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Reply #19 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:57am

freediver wrote on Apr 20^th, 2011 at 7:44pm:

It is not an ad hominem.

Using 'silly', 'grandiose' and 'poor' in that stupid and baseless refutation is certainly a fact free and personalised attack.

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A mining tax? A farming tax? If a businessman claims to be a socialist or an anarchist do they not pay the tax?

As a person with a belief in the social structure of humanity, I say what's wrong with tax? I'm proud to pay tax. I'm not being taxed to the point of destitution by some mad king john, neither is any other Australin.

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What should we spend their money on?

Their money? If you're selling off natural resources that belong to everybody you gotta be expected to pay for them.

As for what the money should be spent on, all the things that the country is short of. The country in the words of Tony Abbott, has never been better off and yet essential services and structural improvements have never been so poorly funded. All the money is being drained off by the big end of town. This isn't governments fault, not any across the western world, it's a fault inherent in the capitalist system. In MONOPOLYtm there's an end game.

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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Droughts & Floods: An Answer Reply #20 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:09pm I'll be with this Thread shortly. I'm sure FreeDiver knows what I'm gonna say though.
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Reply #21 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 7:01pm

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Using 'silly', 'grandiose' and 'poor' in that stupid and baseless refutation is certainly a fact free and personalised attack.

Now I can see where you are confused. Describing your argument that way is not an ad hominem attack. It is in fact the opposite of an ad hominem.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Droughts & Floods: An Answer Reply #22 - Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 7:30pm It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:09pm: I'll be with this Thread shortly. I'm sure FreeDiver knows what I'm gonna say though. I'm waiting Quote: It is in fact the opposite of an ad hominem. If you like, it's fallacious anyway.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Droughts & Floods: An Answer Reply #23 - Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 8:36am How so?
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Reply #24 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 2:26am

I'm a silly twattle sometimes. I didn't even realise I started this Thread. ("Duh!")

Yes it does take Vision, just like how National Parks saved the USA during the Great Depression.

Now let me just state that the Federal Govt rules Politics in this nation and the Federal mob put the wellbeing and interests of the International Community, the USA (via the PM) and the UK (via the GG) before that of Australia's DOMESTIC needs.
Its a cruel twist of fate, that the only 'Freedom' Australia's domestic sense of political self will ever attain will, ironically be
...'Free' Politics.
In other words, if Politics in this country was to serve our Domestic needs - it must do so 'freely' (like a poor Swaggie).
Now we all know that most Polititians don't want to do any 'volunteer' Politics (like many people do volunteer Medical care around the world, or volunteer Religion, etc) and most "stab this country in the back ...the Outback" to make a buck on behalf of the Overseas. Hence why the Union Jack remains on the flag, it keeps people, involved in Politics ...employed, let alone on a 'welfare' benefit.

It seems like a lost cause for Australia doesn't it and this is why Australia is stuck in a rut of stagnation and stalemate - swapping between ALP and Libs as if there really is a difference. Roll Eyes

Anyway, I guess I'm saying is that there will be eventual 'terra-forming' across this continent and the main energy source will be water. The Financial or Empowerment of this act will be via the Art Industry more than from the Political sector of the Region of the World.

So its a Default subject amongst the Politically minded. Politics in this Country is going broke anyway and I'm sure the UK will get sick of paying the welfare to the Aussies and take back its Union Jack. Then Political Australia will be out of work ...and wandering like a Swaggie, plying his trade of Politics for free in the name of LOVE, not money.

Scary huh. Wink

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Reply #25 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 9:56pm

At the risk of returning to topic...

The prolonged dry spell has also lowered water tables in many places.
While moving water above the ground is difficult, perhaps we could find areas where we could drill down into porous profiles and store some of that water underground.
If we dammed around percolation bores and held that water long enough for it to seep underground.

Bores and small scale earthworks would be a lot cheaper than above ground canals.

Of course this idea should not be done near areas that have a saline water table in which case rising water is a terrible thing.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Droughts & Floods: An Answer Reply #26 - May 1^st, 2013 at 1:02am Grey wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 7:14am: One good way to desalinate water is to freeze it, there's no such thing as a salty iceberg. TRUE. LOTS OF ENERGY INVOLVED BUT ALL THE MORE REASON TO GET CRACKING ON RENEWABLES.
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