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Re: a carbon tax is better than cap and trade
Reply #15 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 8:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 8th, 2010 at 8:13pm:
I have given this issue a plug on the site home page:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/index.html


I thought we pulled the plug on this topic months ago?



Forget it freediver, it a lame duck and isn't going to happen....and for good reason.

Quite simply, a carbon tax is unjustified and not in our nations best interests.



Sorry.



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Reply #16 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 9:58pm
 

i'm not sorry at all.

it was a crock of leftard shyte that was flushed
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Re: a carbon tax is better than cap and trade
Reply #17 - Apr 19th, 2011 at 7:23am
 
Apart from anything else the best way to cut carbon emissions is to stop the waste. that means to stop trucking toilet rolls from the East coast to the West and sending them back with toilet rolls made in the west. Arseholes really don't care about the colour and shape of patterns.(Let's ban the interstate trucking of toilet rolls freediver  Grin ) A junior minister in the Whitlam government once said, " I'd be proud to be part of a government that takes on the packaging industryand I mean take them RIGHT ON! When Paul Keating became Prime Minister - he forgot.
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Re: a carbon tax is better than cap and trade
Reply #18 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 3:53am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 10:33am:
Economists cannot predict long into the future. They are very good at predicting short term outcomes, because they measure short term responses to changes all the time. Long term changes depend on new technology, structural changes to how our economy operates and political changes. No-one can predict these. Nor can we impose limitations on later generations as a substitute for making changes ourselves. Right now, our best approach for reducing emissions is to tax them at a rate that will result in a steady reduction in emissions over the next decade, and to use the revenue raised to reduce other taxes, thereby reducing the economic impact and leaving our society more able to make whatever changes become necessary in the future.  

POSSIBLY TONY ABBOTTS POINT...

WHICH MEANS THIS FOOTAGE OF HIM TALKING ABOUT A CARBON TAX WILL STICK AROUND FOR A LONG LONG TIME!

THAT'S GOLD!

YEH, HEY I MIGHT GO READ THAT OP NOW!  Cheesy Wink Wink Roll Eyes
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Now! How...?
 
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Reply #19 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 3:55am
 
A junior minister in the Whitlam government once said, " I'd be proud to be part of a government that takes on the packaging industryand I mean take them RIGHT ON! When Paul Keating became Prime Minister - he forgot.
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That's food for thought!  Smiley Smiley Shocked
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Now! How...?
 
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Re: a carbon tax is better than cap and trade
Reply #20 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 2:31am
 
So much crap..reality is ur being taxed on the air u breathe and the only ones that benefit are the elite... Rothschild Australia and E3 International to take the lead in the global carbon trading market...http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=90090

Thanks to the govts paid think tanks so called scientists that have proven nothing and lied at Copenhagen.  Wink

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Reply #21 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 8:25am
 

carbon tax or cap and trade ???

it's liie choosing between a garotte and a knife in the heart
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Re: a carbon tax is better than cap and trade
Reply #22 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 11:02am
 
Quote:
it's liie choosing between a garotte and a knife in the heart


So how does doing nothing at all fair in that equation?

Are we best to do nothing more than argue about how to tackle a real situation? Or are you really of the firm belief that there is no existent problem?

Let me show you. Let me show you a track that displays to you how much you dither. Let me show you how pathetically indecicive you are.

Check it out, six years ago now...still dithering.
Simply Amazing!


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Re: a carbon tax is better than cap and trade
Reply #23 - Aug 3rd, 2011 at 11:15am
 
lerche007 wrote on Jul 28th, 2011 at 2:31am:
So much crap..reality is ur being taxed on the air u breathe and the only ones that benefit are the elite... Rothschild Australia and E3 International to take the lead in the global carbon trading market...http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=90090

Thanks to the govts paid think tanks so called scientists that have proven nothing and lied at Copenhagen.  Wink



"Taxing the air we breathe" is such a stupid statement.
Its not taxing the air we breathe. Its taxing those bastards who try to polute the air we breathe.

I suppose you also oppose "Taxing the food we eat"  (GST), or "Taxing the ground we walk on" (Land tax, stamp duty, etc).
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Reply #24 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 11:10am
 
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why are we discussing the mechanics of a cap & trade vs a carbon tax

this is like discussing between lethal injection vs electrocution ie by discussing it we are resigned to the death sentence

why are we not fighting the death sentence?

an Australian Carbon Tax or an Australian Cap & Trade will not do one difference to global temperature

if humans contributes only 1% to total global carbon emissions then how would reducing any part of that 1% reduce global temperature?
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Reply #25 - Aug 13th, 2011 at 8:43pm
 
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Reply #26 - Aug 13th, 2011 at 9:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
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As per my original reply to this topic

why are we discussing the mechanics of a cap & trade vs a carbon tax

this is like discussing between lethal injection vs electrocution ie by discussing it we are resigned to the death sentence

why are we not fighting the death sentence?

an Australian Carbon Tax or an Australian Cap & Trade will not do one difference to global temperature

if humans contributes only 1% to total global carbon emissions then how would reducing any part of that 1% reduce global temperature?
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Re: a carbon tax is better than cap and trade
Reply #27 - Jan 1st, 2012 at 10:08am
 
Maqqa, we are discussing it because the economic argument is just as important as the scientific one. If you have no interest in the economics, there are plenty of other threads where people are discussing the science.
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Re: a carbon tax is better than cap and trade
Reply #28 - Jan 2nd, 2012 at 9:50am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 12:55pm:
muso wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 12:54pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 10:49am:
How is it cheaper?


I meant cheaper rather than most cost effective.


So how is it cheaper?



I think a fixed price is the better option.

Carbon trading is market driven and obviously can be cheaper, the GFC pushed priced down to about 9 euro per ton, around $15 AUS which is substantially cheaper than our fixed $23. At the same time the trading price max was about $30 AUS.

It may be cheaper and currently is but probably not in the longer term.
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Reply #29 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 9:26am
 
In the long run, it is community reaction, politics and government policy that will set the price. The mechanism only makes a difference over the short term - between a stable and a fluctuating price.

Under a tax, the government would gradually increase the price to meet whatever targets we have, and also adjust those targets based on the difficulty in achieving them (ie the price). Similarly for a trading scheme they would adjust how quickly the total emissions permitted is brought down, based on price and emissions reduction targets.
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