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Reply #120 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 7:08am
 
What is really perplexing about Julia Gillards enforcement of an NBN is that with energy we leave it to the market itself to determine generation investment and infrastructure as private enterprise seeks to make profits. And with competition it forces the private enterprise to seek the most efficient means.
Whereas Julia Gillard has thrown out the market driven forces and insists on this white elephant, with an unlimited budget, no cost benefit analysis and above all selling this concept that having the fastest speed imaginable now will still be the fastest in years to come when it may get implemented.
And why is it necessary to have the fastest, as long as whatever system is reliable and delivers then that is what counts. Does it matter if it delivers at 100,000 bytes a second or 50,000 or 25,000 bytes a second. Could anyone really tell the difference?

Julia Gillard needs to listen to the market rather than her inflating ego!

Shades of the narcissistic Kevin Rudd.
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Reply #121 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 9:15am
 



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Reply #122 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 12:23pm
 
Julia Gillard is starting to retract her NBN.
Gillard has abandoned the notion of connecting all homes to the NBN.
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Reply #123 - Dec 11th, 2010 at 8:38pm
 
Only fools would have rushed to support an uncosted NBN.

http://www.economist.com/node/17647517?story_id=17647517&fsrc=rss
Bigger and better than Wi-Fi
Wireless networking: The spectrum released by TV’s switch to digital broadcasting will soon be put to good use
THOSE old enough to remember television before the age of cable and satellite TV may have wondered why half the channels on old-style analogue TV sets seemed to be missing. Apart from channel two, the rest of the original VHF channels on the dial were usually just the odd numbers from three to 13. Why? In over-the-air VHF broadcasting, the channel between two analogue stations had to be left unused so that it would not interfere with adjacent ones. When UHF broadcasting came along, empty “guard bands” were added to each channel for the same reason. In some places, this “white space” of unused frequencies separating working channels amounted to as much as 70% of the total bandwidth available for television broadcasting.
Mobile-phone operators and other would-be users of wireless spectrum have long lusted after television’s empty airwaves. In America, after two years of wrangling, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in Washington, DC, has finally given the go-ahead for white-space frequencies to be put to use.
In 2008 the FCC voted to reallocate the various segments of white space and unused channels between 54MHz and 806MHz (channels two to 69), which would no longer be needed when the last of the country’s analogue television transmitters switched to digital broadcasting in June 2009. Unlike analogue transmissions, digital signals do not “bleed” into one another and can therefore be packed closer together. As a consequence, television broadcasters now need little more than half the spectrum they hogged before switching to digital. That has not stopped them fighting tooth and claw to hang on to their unused white space. Most had grand plans for using such frequencies to sell information services to the public.
It was not to be. Instead, the FCC has used the switch to digital as an opportunity to liberate huge swathes of bandwidth for others to use. The most valuable frequencies of all, those in the 700MHz band (channels 52-69), have been auctioned off to mobile-phone operators. Between them, Verizon, AT&T and others paid nearly $20 billion to clinch this prime spectrum. The reason these channels are so valuable—and why they were chosen for terrestrial television in the first place—is that their signals travel for miles, can carry a lot of information, are unaffected by weather and foliage, and go through walls to penetrate all the nooks and crannies within the bowels of buildings.
The white space freed up below 700MHz is to be made available for unlicensed use by the public. By doing this, the FCC hopes to trigger another wireless revolution—one potentially bigger than the wave of innovation unleashed a decade or so ago when Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and other wireless technologies embraced the unlicensed 2.4GHz band previously reserved for microwave ovens, baby alarms and remote openers for garage doors.
The difference this time is that the frequencies being released will allow much higher data rates. The latest version of Wi-Fi, called 802.11n, shuttles data at 160-300 megabits a second (Mbps). White-space devices are expected to be able to zip data along at 400-800Mbps. And whereas Wi-Fi signals peter out after 100 metres or so, their white-space equivalents could have ranges of several kilometres.
From hotspots to hotzones
Enthusiasts talk about white-space devices offering a “third pipe” for access to the internet, to rival cable and telephone broadband. Others see them providing an alternative to mobile phones. When wireless zones cover entire university campuses rather than mere coffee shops, anyone with a smartphone running Skype or something similar would be free of usage charges and operators’ restrictions.
Before any of that can happen, though, a lot of technical problems will have to be licked. For one thing, white-space transmitters have to avoid interfering with both local television stations and the wireless microphones used in conference halls, sports arenas, theatres and churches. As a white-space gizmo moves around a city, the channels it can use will change, depending on how close it gets to various transmitters. The central access tower it communicates with may then have to hop from one channel to another—checking with all the other client devices using it to see if they can follow suit. If a newcomer joins the network (client devices will be joining and leaving continuously) and happens to be near a transmitter, the tower and its various clients will have to scramble to find yet another channel they can all use without causing interference. The computational problem is not exactly insignificant.
The prototype white-space devices used in trials had little trouble sensing occupied TV channels, typically picking them up at signal strengths less than a thousandth of that needed to display an image on a TV screen. In other words, they could hop off an occupied channel and onto a vacant one before causing so much as a blip on television sets in the area. Even so, the equipment-makers argue that, though doable, all this sensing palaver makes white-space devic networking has the potential to change the way people live, work and play. All it needs now is a snappier name.
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Re: Cheaper and better alternative to the NBN
Reply #124 - Dec 11th, 2010 at 8:42pm
 
Everytime the Rudd/Gillard government try and RUSH policies through parliament uncosted or without any Cost Beneit Analysis they invariably get delayed, and that's good.
Let Julia Gillard jump up and down screaming that this 'policy' must be prioritised with utmost urgency.
Because every time Rudd or Gillard has done that they have invariably been proved to be wrong.
As is the case with the NBN.

Julia Gillard's NBN is a white elephant, there is no need for it at all.
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Reply #125 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 9:15am
 


Spinners in $250,000 pitch

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THE government will spend more than $250,000 to hire a public relations firm to help promote its $36 billion National Broadband Network. Last week the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy heard pitches from five firms -- understood to include Hill & Knowlton, Ogilvy Public Relations, Weber Shandwick, PricewaterhouseCoopers and Royce -- with a brief to demonstrate how they would "sell the NBN" to the public.

It is understood each firm was allowed only one delegate to deliver a 20-minute pitch.

It is expected the government will appoint one of the agencies soon.

A spokeswoman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the department ran the select tender using agencies listed on the commonwealth communications multi-use list..................


$250,000 of YOUR taxes !!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #126 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 12:20pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 9:15am:
Spinners in $250,000 pitch

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THE government will spend more than $250,000 to hire a public relations firm to help promote its $36 billion National Broadband Network. Last week the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy heard pitches from five firms -- understood to include Hill & Knowlton, Ogilvy Public Relations, Weber Shandwick, PricewaterhouseCoopers and Royce -- with a brief to demonstrate how they would "sell the NBN" to the public.

It is understood each firm was allowed only one delegate to deliver a 20-minute pitch.

It is expected the government will appoint one of the agencies soon.

A spokeswoman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the department ran the select tender using agencies listed on the commonwealth communications multi-use list..................


$250,000 of YOUR taxes !!!!!!!!!!




Wouldn't it be cheaper for Julia Gillard to import a white elephant?
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Reply #127 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 12:58pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 9:15am:
Spinners in $250,000 pitch

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THE government will spend more than $250,000 to hire a public relations firm to help promote its $36 billion National Broadband Network. Last week the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy heard pitches from five firms -- understood to include Hill & Knowlton, Ogilvy Public Relations, Weber Shandwick, PricewaterhouseCoopers and Royce -- with a brief to demonstrate how they would "sell the NBN" to the public.

It is understood each firm was allowed only one delegate to deliver a 20-minute pitch.

It is expected the government will appoint one of the agencies soon.

A spokeswoman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the department ran the select tender using agencies listed on the commonwealth communications multi-use list..................


$250,000 of YOUR taxes !!!!!!!!!!





So what's THAT ?

Around 1 thirtieth of 1% of budget - to inform the public of its capacity, applications, use and potential

I'd be appalled if their WASN'T such an infornation budget



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Reply #128 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:58pm
 
Well it is perfectly understandable when maroons like Miss, Sprint, and similarly vacuous fans of of all things ignorant, extreme and tasteless, wholeheartedly accept any and all lies and misinformation about the NBN.
When they obtain take there "facts" from people like Longy, who started this ridiculously stupid argument that VDSL is cheaper and better than Fibre, which is so patently false, and stupid that he has not had the guts to even try and justify the false claims made on the matter, when challenged.

So in light of how much utter balls is spoken about the NBN, I think getting some better info out into the public domain, can only be a good thing.
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Reply #129 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 2:51pm
 

It's called "SPIN"

the only thing leftards run on.


One quarter a million dollars of spin.
By the alps standards, small.
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Reply #130 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 6:23pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 1:58pm:
Well it is perfectly understandable when maroons like Miss, Sprint, and similarly vacuous fans of of all things ignorant, extreme and tasteless, wholeheartedly accept any and all lies and misinformation about the NBN.
When they obtain take there "facts" from people like Longy, who started this ridiculously stupid argument that VDSL is cheaper and better than Fibre, which is so patently false, and stupid that he has not had the guts to even try and justify the false claims made on the matter, when challenged.

So in light of how much utter balls is spoken about the NBN, I think getting some better info out into the public domain, can only be a good thing.




Well you are the expert in morons and stupidity. Must be all that self indulgence and self reflection.
No one comes within a whisker of your "talents" in that field.
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Reply #131 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 6:26pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 2:51pm:
It's called "SPIN"

the only thing leftards run on.


One quarter a million dollars of spin.
By the alps standards, small.




And that's all it will be.
No facts, no Cost Benefit Analysis, no alternatives, and all amendments so that eventually even the stupid moron expert will be crying that it is a waste.

Julia Gillard's NBN is a white elephant, but just like the BER, the pink batts and boat people the leftie need to lose money first before they even notice.
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Reply #132 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:07pm
 
It remains unchanged that at the end of the day, the NBN will deliver to my house and 80%+ of the nation exactly nothing. The NBN proposes to give us all a land line and a broadband internet of 12Mbs. Ive already got those - as does almost everyone in cities. those who really benefit are the <20% who currently dont have reliable broadband (and who already have a phone line). So why not just fix up those that already dont have it?

The comparison with road infrastructure is ludicrous. The NBN is the equivalent of building a 6 lane highway between every city, town and station in the country and building new raods over the top of existing ones in every city. What's the point? at the end of the day we have... roads, just as we have now.

There is actually a reason why other countries arent doing this besides a few that have population densities measured in the million per sq km.

This wasnt a thought out proposal. This was Kevin Rudd deciding he needed a new idea. I bet no more than 90mins was spent on this before bing announced.
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Reply #133 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:29pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:07pm:
It remains unchanged that at the end of the day, the NBN will deliver to my house and 80%+ of the nation exactly nothing. The NBN proposes to give us all a land line and a broadband internet of 12Mbs. Ive already got those - as does almost everyone in cities. those who really benefit are the <20% who currently dont have reliable broadband (and who already have a phone line). So why not just fix up those that already dont have it?

The comparison with road infrastructure is ludicrous. The NBN is the equivalent of building a 6 lane highway between every city, town and station in the country and building new raods over the top of existing ones in every city. What's the point? at the end of the day we have... roads, just as we have now.

There is actually a reason why other countries arent doing this besides a few that have population densities measured in the million per sq km.

This wasnt a thought out proposal. This was Kevin Rudd deciding he needed a new idea. I bet no more than 90mins was spent on this before bing announced.



Well it is the ALP. Have they ever thought out any proposal before going gung ho throwing money into anything without any monitors or checks alongthe way? No.
And Kevin Rudd only proposed this as something to fool those who are easily swayed and lack the knowledge of realising that it is all a  waste of money. Spend spend spend on any whiz bang gadget depsite whethe ror not it will last, despite whether or not it is worth it, despite whether or not it will be superceded in a few years. Not much point to that then is it. And it is much like telling the kiddies that Santa will bring them all their wish list toys of 2010 and deliver them in 2015!
What child would want that!
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